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Nordic Skiing/Biathlon Thread

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What has happened to the elder Boe? I don't really keep in touch over the summer, has he had injuries or illness? Or is it just age catching up wtih him?
And how long does it have to continue before he loses his spot on the relay team? He's currently 6th of the Norwegians.
 
You should appreciate the guy, 20 km is a good distance for him. 12th in Ruka (3rd time of the day), 15th in Lillehammer, and 11th in Davos. He's not a natural talent like many others and he doesn't have the VO2max and speed to fight in 10 km races, but he has a big aerobic engine with high thresholds (both LT1 and LT2). Moreover, he's technically very skilled, although his technique falls a bit apart when he's tired.
Maybe I'm selling him a bit short, but the other 2 were either a mass start or a pursuit on a rather easy lap, so it's hard to really gauge his ability as a distance stiker by looking at those 2 results. That said, he seems to have a good engine.
 
What has happened to the elder Boe? I don't really keep in touch over the summer, has he had injuries or illness? Or is it just age catching up wtih him?
And how long does it have to continue before he loses his spot on the relay team? He's currently 6th of the Norwegians.
I am not aware he had any problems. Infact prior to season it sounded all his test values where in top. Ofcourse he is always better than his younger brother during preseason. Looking at the underlying statistics his preformance are not that as bad as his results but still the situation is not good for him. He was out of Hochfilzen relay team and already before Annecy experts like Ola Lunde demanded to replace Tarjeij with Endre Stroemsheim who dominates the IBU Cup. Now when Dale won and Stromaheim keep getting good IBU results the situation is even more critical. I read though Norway can enter 6 athletes per event in the Worlds if all athletes are top 15 in the overall which is likely to save him this time. But he really needs to up his game in January because otherwise he may be gone forever. Norway is reluctant put rescuers and to let older athletes compete in IBU cup. An example is Bogetveit who finished second in IBU Cup overall last year. The federation basically said they where not going to give him any more rescoures or opportunities but offered him a coaching position if he choose to retire (which he accepted).
 
Mayo, do you know anything about the Ischgl/Galtür trails? In local media there's a report today saying that they should be homologated asap, and in case any cross country world cup can't take place, they want to step in.
 
Mayo, do you know anything about the Ischgl/Galtür trails? In local media there's a report today saying that they should be homologated asap, and in case any cross country world cup can't take place, they want to step in.
There are hard tracks there, but as far as I know the hardest ones aren't the kind of shorter laps that the Fis likes.
One could use the one that starts in Wirl and goes up to the Zeinisjoch and then back down.
This slope minus the 4kms from km 3.2 to 7.2 https://www.tirol.at/reisefuehrer/sport/langlaufen/loipen/a-zeinis-kops

You'd have 200m of altitude gain on the first 2.5kms, around 700m of flat, rolling terrain after that and then a long descent. The bad news is that it's 7.5kms long, so it's probably not gonna happen. You'd be near the Silvretta ski area, so there would be already existing infrastructure there.

A 2km long climb at 8%, so that skiing techniqe still matters (compared to the pure power to weight ratio test that is Alpe Cermins) at altitude? Sign me up for that one!

You could probably make a 3.75km long slope around the Waldloipe near Mathon. https://www.tirol.at/reisefuehrer/sport/langlaufen/loipen/a-waldloipe
A climb that is 1.2kms around 8% at the start of the lope, another proper one.

As far as I know the tracks around Ischgl are rather easy.

I've never skied in Ischgl before, so if someone knows more about those tracks please correct me.
 
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Dahl probably started too fast but managed to recover and got a bit lucky she could ski behind Lotta Weng in the end. Of course easier said than done so it was a good race from but in line with what could be expected.

Once again the loop in Davos is too short, it needs to be at least 6,3km so they only do 3 laps even if I prefer 2x10, 2x7,5+5 or something. Quite ridiculous how Weng and Parmakoski among others could collaborate on different loop. And even so in the mens race with guys like Häggström & Ruskanen benefiting greatly. Holund 2nd instead of 3rd etc.
Yeah, too short laps influence the results in individual starts a bit too much for my taste.
Honestly, at this point Dahl could actually be seen as a potential candidate for the 30km classic mass start at the WC. Besides Karlsson, Andersson and an in form Sundling they don't have that many options, so the 4th spot is up for grabs.

The Norwegians are bringing tons of firepower to the Tour de Ski. Östberg is skipping it on the women's side, kinda predictable, but all 3 Weng's have been selected.
The big thing is their men's team, all the big names are there, so I expect total domination.
 
Yeah, too short laps influence the results in individual starts a bit too much for my taste.
Honestly, at this point Dahl could actually be seen as a potential candidate for the 30km classic mass start at the WC. Besides Karlsson, Andersson and an in form Sundling they don't have that many options, so the 4th spot is up for grabs.
Ilar was 6th in Lillehammer 20k classics. Probably benefitted from the easy course but still a good result and she is not a sprinter so I guess she could do good in a hard race aswell. Ribom should be able to preform in distance race aswell even if she only preformed in sprint the last year. Then of course the big question mark is Svahn who now has done 3 races with mixed results. Looked okay in two sprints, one she won against poor competition and third behind Sundling and Svendsen in the second. Then she was awful in a skate distance race.
 
Ilar was 6th in Lillehammer 20k classics. Probably benefitted from the easy course but still a good result and she is not a sprinter so I guess she could do good in a hard race aswell. Ribom should be able to preform in distance race aswell even if she only preformed in sprint the last year. Then of course the big question mark is Svahn who now has done 3 races with mixed results. Looked okay in two sprints, one she won against poor competition and third behind Sundling and Svendsen in the second. Then she was awful in a skate distance race.
Yeah, Sweden is in a weird position with only 2 real distance skiers, but multiple sprinters who can perform well in distance races under the right circumstances (as you have mentioned before). How are the exact rules for the WC when it comes to the amount of skiers you can bring? Is there a limit to the overall number of skiers or just the max4 per race + the extra slot for the WC?
 
Yeah, Sweden is in a weird position with only 2 real distance skiers, but multiple sprinters who can perform well in distance races under the right circumstances (as you have mentioned before). How are the exact rules for the WC when it comes to the amount of skiers you can bring? Is there a limit to the overall number of skiers or just the max4 per race + the extra slot for the WC?
If I am not misstaken there is a limit of 12 skier per nation/gender + any reign champion but then this skier cannot be used in any other race (like Northug 2017 who was outside of Norways squad but did the sprint and 50k). Realistically it’s only a problem for Norwegian men as they would like 4 sprinters, 4 classics specialist, 4 freestyle specialists and a few more. But in the Olympics it’s was changed to 8 last so compared to that it’s a luxury.

Sweden has by the way already preselected (announced yesterday) 7 women and 3 men. Karlsson, Ribom, Andersson, Sundling, Hagström, Dahlqvist and Ilar + Anger, Halfvarsson and Poromaa. Realistically they just bring Svahn on the womens side and possibly one more distance (who really need to impress considering the sprint girl can medal a distance race if stars are right). If Svahn can’t go, Dyvik should be her replacement. On the mens side its anyones game since the poor performance from the rest (with the exception of Lillehammer masstart where Burman, Rosjö and Johansson ess decent - probably thanks to superior skis though). Not sure what happened to Grate, he was sick but should have been back long ago. Atleast he and Ribom broke up, they were ill for almost an entire season last year.
 
Italy has revealed it's team for the Tour de Ski. The big surprise for me is that a Biathlete like Federica Sanfilippo is actually racing this one, after recently winning a sprint in the Alpen Cup. Elia Barp who won the last 15km freestyle race will also be there, alongside all the "bigger" names.

DONNE
Federica Sanfilippo (1990 - Fiamme Oro)
Caterina Ganz (1995 - Fiamme Gialle)
Anna Comarella (1997 - Fiamme Oro)
Cristina Pittin (1998 - Esercito)
Nicole Monsorno (2000 - Fiamme Gialle)
Martina Di Centa (2000 - Fiamme Gialle)

UOMINI
Dietmar Nöckler (1988 - Fiamme Oro)
Federico Pellegrino (1990 - Fiamme Oro)
Giandomenico Salvadori (1992 - Fiamme Gialle)
Francesco De Fabiani (1993 - Esercito)
Mikael Abram (1996 - Esercito)
Paolo Ventura (1996 - Esercito)
Simone Mocellini (1998 - Fiamme Gialle)
Davide Graz (2000 - Fiamme Gialle)
Giovanni Ticcò (2000 - Fiamme Oro)
Elia Barp (2002 - Fiamme Gialle)
 
Italy has revealed it's team for the Tour de Ski. The big surprise for me is that a Biathlete like Federica Sanfilippo is actually racing this one, after recently winning a sprint in the Alpen Cup.

Sanfilippo also won the IBU Cup sprint last week and almost held on in the pursuit. Her shooting has often elt her down in biathlon, but I've never had the feeling she was that great of a skier either. But the Italian XC team is obviously not the strongest in the world.
 
Sanfilippo also won the IBU Cup sprint last week and almost held on in the pursuit. Her shooting has often elt her down in biathlon, but I've never had the feeling she was that great of a skier either. But the Italian XC team is obviously not the strongest in the world.
Plus sprints seem to have the most carryover to biathlon and vice versa. From what I know the skiing training is also similar, more intensity and less volume than distance skiers.
She would have been allowed to already ski in the xc wc in Davos, but prefered to race the ibu cup and has now earned a spot on the biathlon world cup team. That's why her racing the Tour de Ski during the Biathlon break right now is a bit of a surprise.
 
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Swedish team to Tour de Ski. Not as bad as expected although they will probably send a stronger woman’s team to the Scandinavian Cup in Rovaniemi. Atleast Karlsson is in and Dahls participation is intersting as well as young Märta Rosenberg.

Ida Dahl, IFK Mora SK
Maja Dahlqvist, Falun Borlänge SK
Anna Dyvik, IFK Mora SK
Moa Ilar, Falun Borlänge SK
Lisa Ingesson, Piteå Elit
Frida Karlsson, Sollefteå Skidor IF
Märta Rosenberg, Trillevallens Sportklubb

Calle Halfvarsson, Sågmyra SK
Johan Häggström, Piteå Elit
Leo Johansson, Falun Borlänge SK
Anton Persson, Falun Borlänge SK
William Poromaa, Åsarna IK
Eric Rosjö, IFK Mora SK
Oskar Svensson, Falun Borlänge SK
 
Swedish team to Tour de Ski. Not as bad as expected although they will probably send a stronger woman’s team to the Scandinavian Cup in Rovaniemi. Atleast Karlsson is in and Dahls participation is intersting as well as young Märta Rosenberg.

Ida Dahl, IFK Mora SK
Maja Dahlqvist, Falun Borlänge SK
Anna Dyvik, IFK Mora SK
Moa Ilar, Falun Borlänge SK
Lisa Ingesson, Piteå Elit
Frida Karlsson, Sollefteå Skidor IF
Märta Rosenberg, Trillevallens Sportklubb

Calle Halfvarsson, Sågmyra SK
Johan Häggström, Piteå Elit
Leo Johansson, Falun Borlänge SK
Anton Persson, Falun Borlänge SK
William Poromaa, Åsarna IK
Eric Rosjö, IFK Mora SK
Oskar Svensson, Falun Borlänge SK
Curious to see what Ida Dahl can do on the classic mass starts. She also won a classic race that finished on a climb that is 6kms at 8.6% last year in the ski classics, so her engine should hold up on the Alpe Cermis, if she actually races the whole thing.
I guess this means that she actually wants to earn a spot for 1-2 distance races at the wc, otherwise it would make little sense.
 
Curious to see what Ida Dahl can do on the classic mass starts. She also won a classic race that finished on a climb that is 6kms at 8.6% last year in the ski classics, so her engine should hold up on the Alpe Cermis, if she actually races the whole thing.
I guess this means that she actually wants to earn a spot for 1-2 distance races at the wc, otherwise it would make little sense.
If the skip the technical zone so that they she could double pole the entire race that would be interesting , if she is forced to diagonale I guess the result would be similar to Davos. Atleast we will be able to compare her performances with Slind.

Regarding Worlds, Vasaloppet is one day after the 30k so I doubt she is interested. She never won Vasaloppet before and it’s huge for all Ski Classics experts and especially if you are from Sweden. I guess she is doing the Tour for fun and it’s a prestigious race in itself. Probably the only Swedish woman bar Karlsson who realized it though.
 
If the skip the technical zone so that they she could double pole the entire race that would be interesting , if she is forced to diagonale I guess the result would be similar to Davos. Atleast we will be able to compare her performances with Slind.

Regarding Worlds, Vasaloppet is one day after the 30k so I doubt she is interested. She never won Vasaloppet before and it’s huge for all Ski Classics experts and especially if you are from Sweden. I guess she is doing the Tour for fun and it’s a prestigious race in itself. Probably the only Swedish woman bar Karlsson who realized it though.
Yeah, no idea how good her diagonal stride actually is, she is a double poling powerhouse and would really beneft from a lack of technical zones.

Curious to see how Svensson will do.
 
Yeah, no idea how good her diagonal stride actually is, she is a double poling powerhouse and would really beneft from a lack of technical zones.

Curious to see how Svensson will do.
Svensson looked promising in Beitostölen but next week he missed the qualification in the Scandinavian cup. And he hasn’t done any distance race since the national opening (which he did as training) so you are not the only one curious. Last time in Val Mustair he double pooled the classics race and got his best result ever.

Interesting with a short puirsuit after a sprint but on the men side the likes of Klaebo, Golberg will probably dominate. For the women it could be more interesting though, quite unpredictable how good distance skiers like Karlsson, Pärmäkoski, Niskanen and Kalvaa will do in the sprint. Weng and Diggins will probably gain a advantage but are dependent on others to hold it in the puirsuit.
 
Forget everything I wrote about the puirsuit in Val Mustair it has now been changed to mass start due to lack of snow. If the loops are to short for a pursuit they must be like 1km or so.
 
Forget everything I wrote about the puirsuit in Val Mustair it has now been changed to mass start due to lack of snow. If the loops are to short for a pursuit they must be like 1km or so.
Fis once again ruining everything. The gaps after the sprint would be so short that the loop length wouldn't be a huge problem. We don't have enough snow for proper, wide loops so let's just make it a mass start seems to be their motto.
I do wonder how that is possible at altitude at Davos, they had enough really cold days to produce artificial snow and some natural snow. Even Toblach-Cortina is possible atm, without even having to use artificial snow.

I totally get that the recent warm weather would be a problem for a venue at lower altitude, but this reeks of poor planning and poor logistics.
 
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It doesn’t make sense to change the race formats because if that. I guess the 2,5 loop takes like 6-7 minutes which is well enough. It’s a absolutely ridiculous descion. From a sporting perspective you can argue that a mass start is better but you cannot change it 4 days before the start for a bogus reason.
 
It doesn’t make sense to change the race formats because if that. I guess the 2,5 loop takes like 6-7 minutes which is well enough. It’s a absolutely ridiculous descion. From a sporting perspective you can argue that a mass start is better but you cannot change it 4 days before the start for a bogus reason.
The have done the same with the mess that was the mass start in Obersdorf a few years ago. Way too narrow tracks for a mass start, pretty much a rollerski race on snow, and Ustiugov ended up crashing and having to leave the Tour because of his injury later on. IMO the FIS is just totally clueless when it comes to what is reasonable and what is good for the sport.
 
The have done the same with the mess that was the mass start in Obersdorf a few years ago. Way too narrow tracks for a mass start, pretty much a rollerski race on snow, and Ustiugov ended up crashing and having to leave the Tour because of his injury later on. IMO the FIS is just totally clueless when it comes to what is reasonable and what is good for the sport.
I am curious how it looks in Oberstdorf this year. To be honest it seems Oberstdorf is not suited for CC in the beginning of January or the organizer doesn’t give a damn. The short course they use on Tour de Ski is a joke, they should use the Burgstall terrain or the Zimmeroy part and not this stupid golf course. The 2,5km is not even 2,5 more like 2,1 (the Finnish NC measured the course during worlds, because obviously having strong skiers like Herola and Hirvonen it’s important they ski full distance). The programme this year would require atleast 3,3 loop but preferably the 5k loop.

I know it’s important to have races in Germany and Oberhof was not much better either. But surely this needs to be handled better. Maybe a solution would be to include France in the tour and let Germany have their races later in the winter.