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python said:
I find nothing serious about competing in mass start or Christmas moth ago.BullsFan22 said:
On the other hand, Martin was 28th on the start. That's even more impressive. The way he catched brothers and left Tarjei behind was thing of beauty.Cance > TheRest said:
Kokoso said:
.Gap over one minute is very big gap to close purely by running on 12,5 kilometres. On the other hand Johannes gap of 21 second isn't impossible. You can argue that Johannes either spared powers on lap 4, or began too fast and couldn't maintain the tempo, we have seen that before quite often with Johannes.Cance > TheRest said:I don't disagree that Martin having the fastest isolated pursuit time isn't impressive, but the gap of 1.09 that he had to close on Schempp was not impossibly big. That sort of comeback from a bad position around 30th had been done tons of times in the history of biathlon.
Also, for tactical reasons it is clear that Johannes didn't go all out when Fourcade caught him and Tarjei on lap 4 - Johannes was only 16th fastest on lap 4. Fourcade, on the other hand, was desperate to catch them before the shooting if he was to have any chance of the podium.
Anyway, kudos for shooting 20/20 - not many managed that and it's certainly harder in that altitude. He could have waited one single day to cut his beard though
ustiugov against krogh in the last leg will be a principal battle i dare not to predict...python said:i guess only a xc skiing edict like myself would watch the ladies relay, but i did. only the us 2nd and some kalla's accelerations in the 2nd leg were worthy any attention...
the real action awaits us in just over 1/2 hour. some verrry interesting combinations are going to start...sundby for norway 1 will be in the 2nd classic leg against...legkov. the skating supremo manificat will run 2nd classic for france and the sprint king pellegino will be the finisher for italy. i am surprised NOT to find harvey listed for canada b/c yesterday he seemed fine. russia 1 placing the youngster chervotkin in the 3d typically legkov's leg is going to be very interesting. the tactic seems to count on a break away uphill which i saw him literally flying over with the cadence that even johaug would envy
i did and told myself, 'how many laps do the girls need to circle to learn they are on the lap'..that said, i knew one chap who could get lost in central park going a 6 mile lap despite doing it for years...BullsFan22 said:python said:i guess only a xc skiing edict like myself would watch the ladies relay, but i did. only the us 2nd and some kalla's accelerations in the 2nd leg were worthy any attention...
the real action awaits us in just over 1/2 hour. some verrry interesting combinations are going to start...sundby for norway 1 will be in the 2nd classic leg against...legkov. the skating supremo manificat will run 2nd classic for france and the sprint king pellegino will be the finisher for italy. i am surprised NOT to find harvey listed for canada b/c yesterday he seemed fine. russia 1 placing the youngster chervotkin in the 3d typically legkov's leg is going to be very interesting. the tactic seems to count on a break away uphill which i saw him literally flying over with the cadence that even johaug would envy
Did you catch the Swedes and Germans go the wrong way in the 4th leg?? Instead of turning left, they kept skiing. Luckily for them, it wasn't for the medals and they didn't get passed.
He dropped Fourcade on the last lap. Isn't that the definitive argument?Kokoso said:Gap over one minute is very big gap to close purely by running on 12,5 kilometres. On the other hand Johannes gap of 21 second isn't impossible. You can argue that Johannes either spared powers on lap 4, or began too fast and couldn't maintain the tempo, we have seen that before quite often with Johannes.Cance > TheRest said:I don't disagree that Martin having the fastest isolated pursuit time isn't impressive, but the gap of 1.09 that he had to close on Schempp was not impossibly big. That sort of comeback from a bad position around 30th had been done tons of times in the history of biathlon.
Also, for tactical reasons it is clear that Johannes didn't go all out when Fourcade caught him and Tarjei on lap 4 - Johannes was only 16th fastest on lap 4. Fourcade, on the other hand, was desperate to catch them before the shooting if he was to have any chance of the podium.
Anyway, kudos for shooting 20/20 - not many managed that and it's certainly harder in that altitude. He could have waited one single day to cut his beard though
I don't think altitude plays big role. It's 1600, or 1650 metres, not Everest.
python said:
Libertine Seguros said:
I'm aware of that, that's why I made the remark "purely by running". Fourcade had to fly to catch them so he could be done in last lap.Cance > TheRest said:He dropped Fourcade on the last lap. Isn't that the definitive argument?Kokoso said:Gap over one minute is very big gap to close purely by running on 12,5 kilometres. On the other hand Johannes gap of 21 second isn't impossible. You can argue that Johannes either spared powers on lap 4, or began too fast and couldn't maintain the tempo, we have seen that before quite often with Johannes.Cance > TheRest said:I don't disagree that Martin having the fastest isolated pursuit time isn't impressive, but the gap of 1.09 that he had to close on Schempp was not impossibly big. That sort of comeback from a bad position around 30th had been done tons of times in the history of biathlon.
Also, for tactical reasons it is clear that Johannes didn't go all out when Fourcade caught him and Tarjei on lap 4 - Johannes was only 16th fastest on lap 4. Fourcade, on the other hand, was desperate to catch them before the shooting if he was to have any chance of the podium.
Anyway, kudos for shooting 20/20 - not many managed that and it's certainly harder in that altitude. He could have waited one single day to cut his beard though
I don't think altitude plays big role. It's 1600, or 1650 metres, not Everest.
Also, it is true that a 1 minute gap is hard to close ... if it was a cross country competition. This is biathlon, my friend
And the fact is that Fourcade shot clean, while everybody else didn't. That means he didn't catch 1 minute "purely by running", but because the others had to go penalty loops. Anyway, as I said, it was impressive that he shot 20/20, since it was what allowed him to improve his position.Kokoso said:I'm aware of that, that's why I made the remark "purely by running". Fourcade had to fly to catch them so he could be done in last lap.Cance > TheRest said:He dropped Fourcade on the last lap. Isn't that the definitive argument?Kokoso said:Gap over one minute is very big gap to close purely by running on 12,5 kilometres. On the other hand Johannes gap of 21 second isn't impossible. You can argue that Johannes either spared powers on lap 4, or began too fast and couldn't maintain the tempo, we have seen that before quite often with Johannes.Cance > TheRest said:I don't disagree that Martin having the fastest isolated pursuit time isn't impressive, but the gap of 1.09 that he had to close on Schempp was not impossibly big. That sort of comeback from a bad position around 30th had been done tons of times in the history of biathlon.
Also, for tactical reasons it is clear that Johannes didn't go all out when Fourcade caught him and Tarjei on lap 4 - Johannes was only 16th fastest on lap 4. Fourcade, on the other hand, was desperate to catch them before the shooting if he was to have any chance of the podium.
Anyway, kudos for shooting 20/20 - not many managed that and it's certainly harder in that altitude. He could have waited one single day to cut his beard though
I don't think altitude plays big role. It's 1600, or 1650 metres, not Everest.
Also, it is true that a 1 minute gap is hard to close ... if it was a cross country competition. This is biathlon, my friend
450m more to ski on the flat. Fourcade had to chase that time mostly uphill and that's more demanding, so what he said makes sense actually.TomasC said:
Kokoso said:
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