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Can't make my mind up on the relays now being 7.5k for both genders. It makes the guy's race more interesting in that it guarantees a sprint finish but the girl's race is more like a junior relay with huge swings in each leg.

Can't understand Sweden putting Poroma on the anchor nor his half-hearted burst in the woods?

German girls always seem to outperform their natural position based on individuals. Funny seeing the Norway girls so far behind beaten by Sweden 2(1 minute behind) and at one stage it looked like being beaten by Germany 2. The Norwegian media are faking outrage, they love it when Norway when struggles.
 
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Can't make my mind up on the relays now being 7.5k for both genders. It makes the guy's race more interesting in that it guarantees a sprint finish but the girl's race is more like a junior relay with huge swings in each leg.

Can't understand Sweden putting Poroma on the anchor nor his half-hearted burst in the woods?

German girls always seem to outperform their natural position based on individuals. Funny seeing the Norway girls so far behind beaten by Sweden 2(1 minute behind) and at one stage it looked like being beaten by Germany 2. The Norwegian media are faking outrage, they love it when Norway when struggles.
Poromaa's sprint after a long race is better than his engine this year. The problem is that this format assures that the sprinters are still fresh in the end. He'd have to keep the pace up for longer and this year he hasn't shown that he can do that.
Anyway, hard to blame him when Calle and Anger were among the worst in their respective classic legs, a style that should suit them more. Imo Anger is below his best right now and Calle still not fully recovered after covid.

Still, today Norway 1 was actually beatable with Golberg and a subpar Klaebo in the skating legs.
Italy with De Fa-Barp-Graz-Pellegrino can actually get a medal at a big event, if everyone is in shape.
That's Pellegrino's big goal for the next 2 seasons.
 
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I think she is going to win the World Cup overall too. Jeanmonot also looking in amazing shape.

As for the men, Fillon Maillet would have likely won this race even in 2021 but in 2024 he can't match the Norwegians. Sørum probably deserves a place over Strømsheim or Lægreid at the moment.

Skiing wise, JTB looks in great shape ahead of the World Championships.
To be fair, I think the French men had terrible skis today, QFM was actually their fastest, 90 (!) seconds slower than JTB. All 5 Frenchmen were between 21st and 30th in total course time.
 
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Anyway, hard to blame him when Calle and Anger were among the worst in their respective classic legs, a style that should suit them more. Imo Anger is below his best right now and Calle still not fully recovered after covid.
he is actually sick again, or at least was yesterday, when he DNF'ed the race with whatever kind of stomach problems.
 
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Is he sick or is he just old?

Either way, time for Sweden to move on
I think this is a very bad take. Calle was doing just fine before he did get Covid. Two top 5 in Trondheim and overall a good start of the season with a strong relay leg in Gallivare being the only one to follow Norway on the second leg. He’s still the second best Swede on distance races and it’s less than a year since he was three times top 6 at World Champs…

Sweden need a good Calle to be able to fight for a medal in the World Champs relay next year.
 
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Is there any reason for Norway to mess with their relay line up now that Laegreid is on a bad run. It's difficult to argue the Dale hasn't earmed his spot, but why mess with a dominant formula.
His final lap yesterday was outrageous, he can make up a penalty lap on most of the field (other than his team mates).
What's the best case scenario of other countries winning medals in the men's events?
Even though I hate the formula the most competitive race will probably be the SMR. Germany, Sweden, France, Italy and Switzerland all have a decent shot at taking out the Norwegians.
 
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Is there any reason for Norway to mess with their relay line up now that Laegreid is on a bad run. It's difficult to argue the Dale hasn't earmed his spot, but why mess with a dominant formula.
His final lap yesterday was outrageous, he can make up a penalty lap on most of the field (other than his team mates).
What's the best case scenario of other countries winning medals in the men's events?
Even though I hate the formula the most competitive race will probably be the SMR. Germany, Sweden, France, Italy and Switzerland all have a decent shot at taking out the Norwegians.
Most likely would be a start number race where conditions get fast at a certain point in the startlist, somebody strong to hit 20/20 in the Individual, or have the Norwegians mess up the sprint and somebody who is fast enough hit 10 targets, like a Benedikt Doll or Martin Ponsiluoma. I don't see much chance in either of the head to head formats.

Of the races not won by Norwegians this season, four are won by Germans (three sprints (Doll x2, Nawrath) and one individual (Rees)) and one by Swedes (one pursuit (Samuelsson)). That means that apart from Samuelsson's pursuit win all the way back in Östersund, Norwegians have won every single head to head race. Now, most of those races are before Christmas and the second trimester has been a Norwegian festival. This season they've done six sweeps of the podium, with one being a 1-2-3-4 and one being a 1-2-3-4-5. One of the sweeps was a 1-2-3-5-6. But all of those have been in pursuits and mass starts, curiously. Definitely it helps that those that have broken up their dominance in the time trial formats are people like Johannes Kühn and Benedikt Doll, who are far better shooting when left to their own devices than when they have the race on the line and opposition shooting all around them as you have in a Mass Start, but it's strange that these are the events where the Norwegian ski speed superiority seems to have the most impact. Maybe they're just struggling at skiing with traffic whereas in the head to head races they can just use their surplus speed to get on the front of whatever group they're in and drive the pressure, knowing they will either gain time, or cause opponents to miss targets by going at a pace they're not as comfortable with, but whatever it is, it's a curious stat.
 
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Ebba Andersson voted sports person of the year in Sweden!

She beat the discus thrower that beat the discus thrower who beat Pogacar :)
 
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A bit strange the Swedish idrottsgala this year, as Ebba won the prestigious Jerringpriset while she wasn't even among the four nominated for "Female athlete of the Year".
A bit strange yes, but those prizes are awarded by a jury while Jerringpriset is determined by the public.

I think one could justify each of the other nominees to female of the year being choosed above Ebba on sporting grounds. But CC is extremely popular in Sweden, and Ebba is seen as a vey humble and funny person. Also the fact that no other CC-skiers were nominated certainly helped.
 
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to honor the sports person of the year, Sweden has decided to line up Ebba in the 2nd team for tomorrow's mixed relay ;)

SWE I: Poromoaa - Karlsson - Burman - Svahn
SWE II: Häggström - Andersson - Anger - Dahlqvist
NOR I: Nyenget - Bergane - Krüger - T.U. Weng
NOR II: Stenshagen - Fosnaes - Jenssen - Melling
 
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to honor the sports person of the year, Sweden has decided to line up Ebba in the 2nd team for tomorrow's mixed relay ;)

SWE I: Poromoaa - Karlsson - Burman - Svahn
SWE II: Häggström - Andersson - Anger - Dahlqvist
NOR I: Nyenget - Bergane - Krüger - T.U. Weng
NOR II: Stenshagen - Fosnaes - Jenssen - Melling
America, Finnland (if Iivo was actually racing) and Germany could be actually competitive in mixed relays. I honestly don't mind the format.
 
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5k per leg is a bit on the short side, but yeah, I'd also say it's one of the better mixed events. Haven't seen any other teams yet though, that's why I only listed those above.
 
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Ebba not in the first team made the headlines as the just somewhat interested couldn’t understand why (personally I would have taken her over Svahn). The omission of Sundling is also debated, I guess she just wanted to focus on the sprint. But Maja Dahlqvist is for some reason not well liked by the public. People were demanding Byströms resignation solely because he selected her over Sundling in Planica.

A shame Diggins and Brennan decided to skip the event. To me it looks tailor made for USA with two very good women and short legs for the men (especially with a women finishing off). Sweden will be the favorite tomorrow but I can see Norway, Finland and even France challenge. Germany would have been dangerous aswell if they fielded their a-team. Honestly I cannot understand why Hennig is skipping this one unless she went home.
 
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Ebba not in the first team made the headlines as the just somewhat interested couldn’t understand why (personally I would have taken her over Svahn).
Its two different 2,5 km loops tomorrow and If Ive understood it correctly the one that will be used for the skating course is extremely easy, with only the stadium climb as a proper climb. In that setting I think Svahn would beat Ebba head to head on a 5k mass start race here. If it’s the other way around and it’s the hard loop that is for skating my take might be different.

With the format (5 km in a soft course) I understand why Sweden goes for a sprinter that is also a capable skier. It’s not like Tiril Udnes Weng or Parmakoski is gonna drop Svahn if they are together. Svahn also has enough speed to close a 5-8 seconds gap without problem. Ebba wasn’t that impressive in Oberhof, both Parmakoski and Dolci was faster over 7,5 km in the relay for example either.
 
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Its two different 2,5 km loops tomorrow and If Ive understood it correctly the one that will be used for the skating course is extremely easy, with only the stadium climb as a proper climb.
these are the course profiles for tomorrow:

classic: https://medias1.fis-ski.com/pdf/homologations/CC/SUI/SUI_Nordic_Center_Ulrichen_WC23_109-01_2-6.pdf
skating: https://medias2.fis-ski.com/pdf/homologations/CC/SUI/SUI_Nordic_Center_Ulrichen_WC23_109-02_2-7.pdf

so yeah, looks like you got it right.
 
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Its two different 2,5 km loops tomorrow and If Ive understood it correctly the one that will be used for the skating course is extremely easy, with only the stadium climb as a proper climb. In that setting I think Svahn would beat Ebba head to head on a 5k mass start race here. If it’s the other way around and it’s the hard loop that is for skating my take might be different.

With the format (5 km in a soft course) I understand why Sweden goes for a sprinter that is also a capable skier. It’s not like Tiril Udnes Weng or Parmakoski is gonna drop Svahn if they are together. Svahn also has enough speed to close a 5-8 seconds gap without problem. Ebba wasn’t that impressive in Oberhof, both Parmakoski and Dolci was faster over 7,5 km in the relay for example either.
Ok. It might make sense then. Had an idea of letting Ebba do a classic leg (I think she is much better in classicand Frida on the last one as she look to be in monster shape. Svahn and Karlsson is also better to adapt at altitude, not that Goms is super high.