"Not less than the men"

[spanky wanderlust]

i like women. i just don't appreciate it when they are faster than me, dammit!

some posters came up with some great ideas on here. the uci should be requiring world tour teams to field womens' teams. and they should be given equal air time. and the major races should all have femme versions run on the same day or weekend on more or less the same course. and they should show it on the telly.

as for the op, this is what she was referring to. not her own opinions of whether women are better or equal. but to the general situation where they are ignored altogether when that is not only unfair but pretty stupid since these chicks are totally badass and race all out.

 

[meandmygitane]

i like women. i just don't appreciate it when they are faster than me, dammit!

some posters came up with some great ideas on here. the uci should be requiring world tour teams to field womens' teams. and they should be given equal air time. and the major races should all have femme versions run on the same day or weekend on more or less the same course. and they should show it on the telly.

as for the op, this is what she was referring to. not her own opinions of whether women are better or equal. but to the general situation where they are ignored altogether when that is not only unfair but pretty stupid since these chicks are totally badass and race all out.

1. Even if that would mean that some teams would have to fold? What constitutes a women pro team anyways? Are there enough talented women cyclist to earn their spots in pro teams?
2. Equal air time? Who should decide this? UCI force TV-companies threatening boycott?
3. Again, should UCI boycott those races that don't follow these rules?

 

[Boeing]

I remember the last Olympic women's road race telecast. the TV announcer candidly pointed out that Usain Bolt ran faster than the women's peloton

 

[Marcus135]

Personally when i watch sport for entertainment, as everyone does. I like to see amazing feats, i get this with mens racing as they ride incredibly fast for long distances and i know there is no way i would come even close to them. With womens cycling i watch and think "well i could comfortably keep up with that speed". Im not trying to be sexist im just saying thats how i feel about it. I respect the fact that women should have an opportunity to compete at a high level for fair pay. I just personally do not find their races to be interesting.

 

[ramjambunath]

i like women. i just don't appreciate it when they are faster than me, dammit!

some posters came up with some great ideas on here. the uci should be requiring world tour teams to field womens' teams. and they should be given equal air time. and the major races should all have femme versions run on the same day or weekend on more or less the same course. and they should show it on the telly.

as for the op, this is what she was referring to. not her own opinions of whether women are better or equal. but to the general situation where they are ignored altogether when that is not only unfair but pretty stupid since these chicks are totally badass and race all out.

In the current Market how many sponsors would willing to bear the costs of a women's team considering what has happened with HTC (which had sponsored a women's team as well). Hosting the women's event on the same weekend as the men's event is a good way of raising the profile of the sport (Flèche, Ronde), but what will happen in the case of a stage race, should they start just before or after or during the men's equivalent and will the organisers be able or willing to spend extra resources.

 

[Boeing]

and furthermore is there anything worse than the snobby roadie chicks at food park here in socal? what like you are sponsored? yea right

in fact this topic should be moved to general and out of the pro cycling

 

[Maxiton]

I remember the last Olympic women's road race telecast. the TV announcer candidly pointed out that Usain Bolt ran faster than the women's peloton

I'm pretty sure Usain Bolt runs short distances on his feet and cyclists (including women) ride great distances on bicycles. So the two are comparable how, exactly?

and furthermore is there anything worse than the snobby roadie chicks at food park here in socal? what like you are sponsored? yea right

in fact this topic should be moved to general and out of the pro cycling

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[Boeing]

I'm pretty sure Usain Bolt runs short distances on his feet and cyclists (including women) ride great distances on bicycles. So the two are comparable how, exactly?

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and to the former no really thanks for that, that is the point butterball, perhaps you could write nbc

 

[Maxiton]

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[Boeing]

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[spanky wanderlust]

i prefer a woman who could kick my *** up rabbit ears pass to one who sits around fussing about whether she's pretty or not.

 

[Sydney21]

This is a cycling forum with many people having English as a second langauge. Is there any need to correct peoples spelling?

ahahaha thanks for the defence but as an English speaker I really have no excuse for that one... scary thing is I made the same spelling mistake in an exam a couple of weeks ago in a Hamlet essay.

Wo-men to me sounds like woman where wemon actually sounds like a plural of woman. I don't get why the 'e' changes the sound of the begining part of the word! In any case i'm sorry

 

[Maxiton]

dont think for me and I wont ride for you

Not to worry, I'm not that generous, nor optimistic, vis a vis helping you along cognition-wise. And if ever you were riding for me, you can stop now.

But let's try to keep this on topic, okay? Women's cycling. It could be great and should be great and would be great. Half the planet. Half of our species. Only one reason for women's athletics in general to be anything less than exciting: our own retrograde attitudes. Simple as that.

 

[Maxiton]

i prefer a woman who could kick my *** up rabbit ears pass to one who sits around fussing about whether she's pretty or not.

I'm with you, Spanky!

 

[Boeing]

rightey-o max buddy. got it the first time yo

some 100 meter numbers of old
10.49 seconds Womens (Florence Griffith-Joyner) some argue doped
10.54 seconds USA boys national record age 15-16
10.30 seconds USA boys national record age 17-18

interesting numbers and not the point of thethread as indicated in op


but women's Track and field is watchable. promotable

is it because the men's and women's events are held together?


Giorgia Bronzini should realize there there is no entitlement in this game

 

[spanky wanderlust]

rightey-o max buddy. got it the first time yo

some 100 meter numbers of old
10.49 seconds Womens (Florence Griffith-Joyner) some argue doped
10.54 seconds USA boys national record age 15-16
10.30 seconds USA boys national record age 17-18

interesting numbers and not the point of thethread as indicated in op


but women's Track and field is watchable. promotable

is it because the men's and women's events are held together?


Giorgia Bronzini should realize there there is no entitlement in this game

dude, i don't watch a whole lot of women's cycling i'll admit. but when i do, i really don't get the sense that ANY of them feel a sense of entitlement. what i do get the sense of is that they want to kick the *** of the chick next to them, just like the guys.

nobody is asking for entitlement. but a little fairness would not kill anyone. bbc 5 or espn2 will not go out of business by showing some women's sports. they might even improve their image.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

Not to worry, I'm not that generous, nor optimistic, vis a vis helping you along cognition-wise. And if ever you were riding for me, you can stop now.

But let's try to keep this on topic, okay? Women's cycling. It could be great and should be great and would be great. Half the planet. Half of our species. Only one reason for women's athletics in general to be anything less than exciting: our own retrograde attitudes. Simple as that.

wow. well said. i was gonna say exactly this, only not as goodly.

right on, bro! your woman is sooooo going to jump you when she reads this!

it's hard to look at oneself and see yourself as retrograde. this can make it really difficult to change attitudes.

i doubt the uci has (ironic, isn't it?) the cojones to make the kind of changes that would be required to increase the popularity and prevalence of the women's side of the sport.

jeez, in the u.s. it's hard enough to track men's rr, even on the internet the women can be invisible.

honestly, i think they are doing pretty awesome as it is, given the generally strong indifference working against them.

 

[ramjambunath]

rightey-o max buddy. got it the first time yo

some 100 meter numbers of old
10.49 seconds Womens (Florence Griffith-Joyner) some argue doped
10.54 seconds USA boys national record age 15-16
10.30 seconds USA boys national record age 17-18

interesting numbers and not the point of thethread as indicated in op


but women's Track and field is watchable. promotable

is it because the men's and women's events are held together?


Giorgia Bronzini should realize there there is no entitlement in this game

Well to be honest the fact that they have been held together in the Olympics since the 1920's and most casual audiences care only about the Olympics and the worlds gives the women's track and field an advantage. The women's cycling races comparatively have much less history and are in a situation where women's tennis was in the 60's but societies are much more forward now.

 

[jens_attacks]

Personally when i watch sport for entertainment, as everyone does. I like to see amazing feats, i get this with mens racing as they ride incredibly fast for long distances and i know there is no way i would come even close to them. With womens cycling i watch and think "well i could comfortably keep up with that speed". Im not trying to be sexist im just saying thats how i feel about it. I respect the fact that women should have an opportunity to compete at a high level for fair pay. I just personally do not find their races to be interesting.

that's exactly my opinion.
i watch the women worlds and that's all.if they would race like cobo and froome on pena cabarga,trust me i would watch every single race of the women.the problem is that they're going too slow.going slow=no entertainment.
with all due respect

 

[Cimber]

Ppl want to see what the best humans can do, the fastest they can run, the fastest they can ride. As long as men are psysiological superior to women (and its a simple fact that they are), men will attact more attention in sports like cycling which is alot about pure psysical power. In other sports where teqnique matters even more women get more credit/attention (tennis for example).

That said, women in other pure psysilogical sports do seem to get more attention that in cycling (swimming, running etc). But in football they get even less attention /credit than in cycling.

But overall, in most sports men get more attention /credit, and imo that boild down to the fact (and it is a fact) that they simple can perform better psysically.

However, that doesnt mean that UCI and others cant do stuff to improve the condition for women's cycling. But dont ever expect that their will be even close to equal conditions and pay. That would be naive.

 

[Cycle Chic]

that's exactly my opinion.
i watch the women worlds and that's all.if they would race like cobo and froome on pena cabarga,trust me i would watch every single race of the women.the problem is that they're going too slow.going slow=no entertainment.
with all due respect

Stage 3 of the Giro Donne below...not so slow !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3FHxtfhFms&feature=player_detailpage#t=1550s

RAI Sport 2 in Italy show womens racing because it has a national following there. If eurosport or a Sky channel showed it I am sure it would attract cycling fans.

 

[theyoungest]

Personally when i watch sport for entertainment, as everyone does. I like to see amazing feats, i get this with mens racing as they ride incredibly fast for long distances and i know there is no way i would come even close to them. With womens cycling i watch and think "well i could comfortably keep up with that speed". Im not trying to be sexist im just saying thats how i feel about it. I respect the fact that women should have an opportunity to compete at a high level for fair pay. I just personally do not find their races to be interesting.

You've just watched the most boring race in the history of women's cycling (due to the most boring course in the history of women's cycling) and you think you've seen it all? The aforementioned Giro Donne might be a better point to start.

 

[Marcus135]

You've just watched the most boring race in the history of women's cycling (due to the most boring course in the history of women's cycling) and you think you've seen it all? The aforementioned Giro Donne might be a better point to start.

Thats not my point... My point is that i want to see the best there is and as men are clearly the best there is they are the ones i want to watch. Yes that may be entertaining to some people however i still see womens cycling to be a slower version of the same thing. Yes that sounds bad but there are plenty of other races i would rather watch and the simple fact is the men just go much faster. I think that is the case with a number of people i have nothing against them i just personally wont find womens cycling interesting to watch.

 

[just some guy]

Thats not my point... My point is that i want to see the best there is and as men are clearly the best there is they are the ones i want to watch. Yes that may be entertaining to some speed however i still see womens cycling to be a slower version of the same thing. Yes that sounds bad but there are plenty of other races i would rather watch and the simple fact is the men just go much faster. I think that is the case with a number of people i have nothing against them i just personally wont find womens cycling interesting to watch.

Yes men go much faster but Women don´t ride against men so how do you compare I don´t get it.

if we have a Peloton and riders attacking off the front, chasing breaks etc etc great racing and we get 1.5 hours of TV time.

1 group rides 60 km and the other 50 km and your watching on TV do you think wow that was fast or wow that was great racing.

Great racing @ 45 km/h and Great racing @ 40 Km/h is great racing, right ?

 

[theyoungest]

Yes men go much faster but Women don´t ride against men so how do you compare I don´t get it.

if we have a Peloton and riders attacking off the front, chasing breaks etc etc great racing and we get 1.5 hours of TV time.

1 group rides 60 km and the other 50 km and your watching on TV do you think wow that was fast or wow that was great racing.

Great racing @ 45 km/h and Great racing @ 40 Km/h is great racing, right ?

Exactly. If I want to see the fastest racing possible I watch Formula 1.