Nutrition

[53 x 11]

No, I said you were scamming bro.

And please don't use this website to promote your 'services'

 

[durianrider]

Its funny Tim, you say Im living on the dole and now Im working with cancer patients you give me ****e for that. Make up your mind bro! Is it a crime to help people help themselves get healthy? Read our site for the testimonials and let that speak for emselves.

You dont really care about people health, cos if you did, you would dedicate the thousands of free hours i have over the last few years putting on free talks, events and having a forum. Basically your just jealous cos whatever I do you find faults in it. Grow up, pull you finger out, quit complain'n and start train'n.

Please refrain from hi jack'n threads with slanderous comments.

Thankyou.

 

[Big GMaC]

Grow up, pull you finger out

A 1996 study of 952 15-year old students in Bergen found 0.2% of females to be vegan, but found no male participants to be vegan.A 1996 study of 952 15-year old students in Bergen found 0.2% of females to be vegan, but found no male participants to be vegan.

Are you a woman? Really really weak man?

 

[durianrider]

Here we go, another internet 'tough guy'... I will let you decide which 3 photos best answers that question.

 

[Big GMaC]

Meat essential to Brain evolution

 

[durianrider]

Einstein, pythagoras,thoreau, franklin, socrates, shaw, tolstoy... vegans.
http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/quotes.html
http://www.vegetarianimage.com/Quotes.htm

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I guess that leaves the question if we are meant to eat animal products why do we lack the uricase enzymes and jaw strength that carnivores have. Not to mention the lack of canines, ability to deal with excess cholesterol/saturated fat, claws, fangs, talons etc.

To say that humans have the anatomical structure of an omnivore is an egregiously inaccurate statement. The great taxonomist Carolus Linnaeus, (1707-1778), a Swedish naturalist and botanist who established the modern scientific method of classifying plants and animals, classified humans not as carnivores, not as omnivores, nor even as herbivores, but as frugivores. Linnaeus writes: “Man’s structure, internal and external compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables are his natural food.”

 

[Big GMaC]

Key word; 'Excess'

Moderate consumption of poultry/meat etc. It is the highly processed / horrendous ratio of exercise to portion size that does damage

 

[TopCarbon]

many years ago I read "Eating right for your blood type"

This has served me well, and has me sickness free for years.

I feel there are not highly evolved people but blood types. That neanderthal has a less evolved blood type and therefore thrives on a less evolved diet. You have seen these Neanderthals today.

 

[Bobby G]

 

[durianrider]

Lets have a real look where meat comes from shall we? Enough with the disconnected photos, lets have some real connection where our food comes from.
This is where the steak comes from - dead cow. This is what people have to do to put your food on the table. People work the jobs none of us would. These are not even the graphic photos, those would be just too much for people to handle and would get deleted. Watch the doco earthlings if anyone wants to know the reality of the situation rather than think happy meals come from fairy land.

Anyone here had a good tofu burger before? Honestly, try one out, youll be impressed, I was and I said to my mate 'I dont eat tofu!' He said 'have you had one of these burgers? if you dont like it I will eat it..' I liked it so much I went back and got another one. I think my mate regrets it cos now Im the vegan preacher.

Anyone seen a vegan this fat? Me either.

 

[durianrider]

This is what a tofu burger looks like. Tastes great, good for health and the planet. It takes 16kg of soy to produce 1kg of animal flesh. sans the cholesterol, saturated fats, uric acid, adrenaline, hormones and stuff.

This is what soy beans looks like. Not to hard to watch is it? No emotions cos it looks gross. Just little nutrient rich beans. Anyone know anyone dying from heart disease from eating soy beans? Me either? Anyone know anyone getting fat from eating soy beans? Me either.

These are people that eat soy beans.

peace.

 

[durianrider]

This guy enjoying his beef burgers.

 

[craig1985]

Of course that bloke is fat, you eat deep fried, processed crap that he is eating, plus zero exercise since he was 9, what do you expect? Likewise if you buy a bucket of chicken from KFC, well what do you expect? As for 'where do you get your protein from' image, well all three are eating processed foods and do zero exercise.

I ride my bike 5/6 days a week, and I don't see how cooking up some chicken to thrown in with some veggies into the wok and cook them up for dinner is as harmful as me going to McDonalds and supersizing all my meals.

 

[durianrider]

Great points Craig, I guess in this society a little ends up becoming a lot. Its a bit like cigarettes, a few wont kill you but they dont have any calming properties in em we cant get from other like yoga, herbal teas, good nights sleep etc. Animal products have nutrients but also too much saturated fat, cholesterol, risk of ecoli poisoning, hetrocyclic amines, benzopyrenes, adrenaline, uric acid, parasitic infestations etc. A kick in the shin now and then aint gonna hurt us but why get kicked at all? Cos someone told us its good for us? Sometimes its good to question what is encouraged by the billion dollar industries. Sometimes certain industries dont have our best interests at heart.

All we need is found in plant foods. There isnt a single nutrient in animal products that we cant get better in whole plant foods. Even vitamin b12 and DHA, EPA are produced in the human body. All plant foods contain all the 8 essential amino acids. The biggest and strongest animals on the planet get their nutrients from plant foods, gorilla, rhino, elephant, hippo, bison, giraffe etc.

I make a deal with people, they dont look in my shopping cart and I wont look in theirs.. Like when I worked in the bike industry I was known for preaching about getting a bike with a lifetime frame warranty and getting fitted up by the right staff member. I never sold a single bike with a 5 year warranty. I just refused too and told the person why. Some appreciated my honesty, some didnt. I didnt take it personally. I would be out riding and see such and such riding a bike and then a year later they have a warranty issue and are hating life. I never said 'I told you so', cos I already had from the get go. Im attached to giving out information but not attached to peoples outcomes. Cos if we want something more for the person than they want it themselves, we will go bonkers.

This was a poster on a bus stop in London a friend sent me. You gotta have some science behind you if your gonna make that claim and not get sued by the meat and dairy industries. Like when Oprah got sued after saying 'I will not eat another hamburger!' in reference to mad cow disease in hamburgers and she ended up winning the lawsuit. After the court case the reporters asked her if her opinion had changed and Oprah said 'I still will not eat another hamburger!'

 

[Bobby G]

Your evidence is B O L L O C K S! I could show you many healthy people who eat meat! In fact your fighter guy is a complete anomaly. 90% (probably more) of sportsmen and woman eat meat. Here's my evidence:

"I eat chicken nuggets hours before i win the Olympics breaking the world record for the 100 metres at a stroll"

Therefore I conclude that chicken nuggets are the best diet an athlete can have!

 

[elizabeth]

Can a warning be put on the thread title that there are graphic images, maybe spare someone else stumbling on photos of slaughtered animals first thing in the morning when they're not expecting it and reminding me to be careful when/if I return to the thread.

 

[BroDeal]

Why do vegetarians often turn out to be crackpots? Is it the diet? Is there something about not eating meat that turns people into raving loons who attempt to push their diet on to others with a religious-like fervor that would scare most fire and brimstone preachers from the Deep South?

 

[pedaling squares]

First off, Oprah is fat. She can hold off hamburgers for three years and still have enough a$$ for four women. Don't be holding her up as an example of vegan excellence. And Pamela Anderson has had enough beef in her for two lifetimes.

I get your point - nature provides enough to fuel us without having to eat animals. I wish you well in your diet but your posts on this thread are the stuff of nutbars. Which are good to eat but terrible to read. My freezer contains halibut that I caught and moose that I hunted. It also contains chicken that I pulled off the shelf in Costco. And my fridge contains tofu. It's a decent enough food but no way in hell does it replace a good steak. My personal beliefs, although irrelevant to anyone but me, are that we are omnivores. Lean meats prepared without adding saturated fats and consumed in moderation are an excellent part of a healthy diet. Each to their own. And if you think a photo of a dead cow shocks me, maybe I'll post a few of a quartered moose lying beside his gut pile. Good, pure, healthy meat provided by nature.

Everything in moderation durian. Eat in moderation, consume fats in moderation, hunt in moderation so the species will thrive, and post nutty stuff on CN forums in moderation.

 

[krebs303]

Why do vegetarians often turn out to be crackpots? Is it the diet? Is there something about not eating meat that turns people into raving loons who attempt to push their diet on to others with a religious-like fervor that would scare most fire and brimstone preachers from the Deep South?

Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink Colossians 2:16

 

[durianrider]

Well at least on this thread, people are think'n about their actions hey? But hey, lets keep the debate attacking the debate rather than being abusive to the forum members eh?

If eating meat was so natural, how come people feel sick at the sight of slaughtered animals when they are having bacon and eggs for breakfast? I dont mind if someone chops a carrot in front of me? Or boils up some porridge? Remember that Jamie Oliver show were he killed the baby animal? That caused an uproar amongst the crew that eat meat. They said 'Jamie, you cant do that!' Jamie said 'Well this is what it takes to put the food on the table if and if people are not prepared to kill their animals then they shouldnt expect others too..'

I think this photo says it all about 'crackpots'.

And here is a crackpot cardiologist friend of mine Dr Esselstyn. Wanting to prevent heart disease by changing your diet? Heck, you must be crazy! Wanting to share that goodwill with others! Get out of here before we burn you at the steak!

Here is a vegetarian since birth. Annalise Braakenseik. Ive only been a crackpot for 9 years, she was born a crackpot the poor thing!

And we have another crackpot pro MMA fighter..

 

[krebs303]

'Well this is what it takes to put the food on the table if and if people are not prepared to kill their animals then they shouldnt expect others too..'

I certainly agree on this point.

 

[durianrider]

To do 5 ironmans in 5 days..youd have to be a crackpot!

And this is a crackpot idea if I ever heard of one!

And last but not least, a food pyramid for health crackpots.

 

[BroDeal]

Well at least on this thread, people are think'n about their actions hey?

It gets me thinking.

Mmmmmmmm. Mmmmmmmm. Mmmmmmmm.

 

[elizabeth]

If eating meat was so natural, how come people feel sick at the sight of slaughtered animals when they are having bacon and eggs for breakfast?

That's a jump considering I mentioned nothing about my eating habits or why I objected to the images.

BroDeal, those first two pics did nothing for me, but those last two . . . I'm headed to the kitchen to see what I have.

 

[pedaling squares]

Well durian I saw water and barley on that vegan pyramid so you're halfway to something worth putting in your body.

The reason people feel sick at the sight of slaughtered animals is because we are by and large an ignorant society since the inventions of modern conveniences. We don't have to do things for ourselves and we've become afraid of getting our hands bloody. People don't want to think how meat gets into the package any more than they want to think what happens when they flush the toilet. It doesn't mean that meat is bad for you. Of course you can be healthy on a vegan diet, nobody disputes that. Now why don't you post some pictures of the millions of high performance athletes who don't follow your chosen diet?

You have some good points, too bad they have to be rammed down our throats like the gospel according to fruit boy.