NY Times Says More To Come

[RhodriM]

It's disappointing that Kristen Armstrong has now commented that she "cannot recollect" the FLandis incident occuring.

But if you look at it more closely - by saying "cannot recollect", she is not denying the possibility of it happening. In which case, isn't that a tacit admission of knowledge of LA's doping?

"Cannot recollect" is a great phrase, usually wheeled out by politicians.

 

[3rdWheel]

I'm convinced Armstrong doped somewhere along his career (or for much of it). But still not totally convinced recent events will bring him to justice. I can still see it ending without clarity, meaning more strong but unsubstantiated allegations. One or more of his "minions" will have to talk in order for these allegations to stick hard.

I see a lot of smoke but no flames...yet.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

My gosh, the NYT has actually gone back to doing its job! Just when I'd given up hope on them.

They recognize the size of the story and how far reaching the conspiracy is alleged by Floyd.

I don't think Lance can get out in front of this fast enough now. I am surprised. This is starting to hurt him.

 

[ergmonkey]

I wonder to what extend LA could employ an "everybody knows" defence?

Very interesting point. "Truth on the market" is a defense to securities fraud in the U.S. (i.e. where the public is expected to have known the truth about a company due to other publicly available information and reports, the untrue statements or exaggerated reports of the company might not constitute fraud, insofar as they should not have effectively deceived investors); using a similar defense for Lance Armstrong would be tougher, though, if the "fraud" were against the public in connection with his fundraising. It also may be a stretch to use the defense against sponsors who were likely unsophisticated in the omerta-dominated world of professional cycling, no matter how sophisticated those sponsors may have been as business people generally.

Nonetheless, I fully expect an "everybody was doing it, I competed on equal ground" type of defense to be the ultimate, desparate line of damage control employed by LA once the dust finally settles from these investigations.

 

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[Moose McKnuckles]

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[Comissar]

yeah, they have not been banned 50 times. You effectively dont exist. It is a bit like double jeopardy, your life can only be threatened when you are legit. You passed that stage, 50 handles ago dude. Give it up.

It's not really about me. You see there are things that need to be said that are not being said, so you say them.

Anyway you must be annoyed that Wiggins and Evans are still evading the cops. When do you think they will get busted?

 

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[cyclelicious]

I've asked you this in private, but will do so now in the open.

Why are you here?

Seriously. You are not wanted. We've asked you to leave politely, and we've thrown you out, dozens of times now. No one here who knows who you are likes you. No one wants you here. No members, and certainly none of the staff. You show some knowledge about cycling, but it takes only a few posts after every time you re-register (against the rules) with a new identity before you're antagonizing other members and fighting with them directly, and lying about yourself. I mean, it took all of 10 posts before you were talking about your knowledge and exchanges with other members in the past.




I've given you links to alternate forums for you to go to, both ones that are filled with people you would agree with, and those that would fight with you like they do here. But instead of going there, you return here. You once told me you don't like it over there. Well, we don't like you here. That's why we keep throwing you out.

Why do you return? Do you think it's going to get you somewhere? I can't imagine what that would be. You're "outed" every time, often within just a few posts now. You're not going to convince anyone of your arguments, or convert them to your view, not on this forum at least.

Sometimes it takes the staff only a day to ban you, sometimes longer. But in the end the result is always the same. It's taken longer than admins thought, but it's going to get to a point where you will be permanently banned, and not be able to return here no matter what. What will you do then? Why aren't you doing that now?

Or, as what happened with another 'troll' on a different forum, your actual identity and location will be tracked down by some hacker who doesn't like you, revealed and posted for everyone to know. Is that how you really want this to end?

Please, for the sake of everyone, including yourself, go away, and stay away.

If this isn’t harassment under the guise of moderation I don’t know what is.

As a moderator YOU have made it perfectly clear that YOU don't want opposition. Another point of view will not be tolerated by the so called REAL fans.

 

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[blackcat]

If this isn’t harassment under the guise of moderation I don’t know what is.

As a moderator YOU have made it perfectly clear that YOU don't want opposition. Another point of view will not be tolerated by the so called REAL fans.

no, the guy has been warned and banned under literally dozens of handles.

He is a menace. But now it has become amusing with the levels of farce he has descended too, added to the fact, the cards are so stacked against him with every hour.

If nothing else, one must admire his persistence, if not his pestilence.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Dear Lance apologists:

It's fundamentally about fairness, honesty and profiting from a lie. When we see someone who has gamed the system and then built an icon/hero/myth/legend around the ill gotten achievements, this generates a very visceral negative response from people.

We all know there are LOTS of winning cyclists who doped or are doping. But none of them blatantly lie, bully, bribe. blackmail and strongarm (!!) their way to the 'top' while still engaging in the as$holery.

He ain't the only one, but he is the very worst example of one who profits from misdeeds and flaunts his ability to get away with it.

And somehow, the intense disgust with him is a surprise to you. There's really no point in us trying to find common ground. And I wouldn't waste a second replying to your posts.

 

[Ferminal]

There's a difference between having a valid opinion and being a troll. You claim you are persecuted and banned because you have an alternate view, but the reality is that you are fundamentally a troll and will resort to baiting even on issues unrelated to Lance Armstrong.

 

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[Kennf1]

Jeez, somebody just kill this thread.

 

[Siriuscat]

It is audited, and no I don't think anyone has shown the remotest link to anything to do with this other story.

I think we also need to show a little bit of sensitivity to the millions of cancer suvivors who have been helped by Livestrong. It should not shield Armstrong from these seperate allegations, but I feel sometimes a lot of people over look them whilst they play their parlor games.

What about the one's they blatantly ignored or tried to get more money out of??

I've done some voluntary work at the local kids hospital through our Ice hockey club. Got chatting to one youngster who was being treated for leukemia who was a cycling fan. His parents were involved witha local club, he saw the wristband we got chatting, kid was ahuge fan because of the cancer link. I wrote to LAF to get the kid an autograph hopefully a message of support. I got no response, kept pressing and eventually got told that they didn't support anything outside the US.....nice eh. I pressed them on the global message and the individual responded we'll send us $500 and we'll find something......

 

[kurtinsc]

Dear Lance apologists:

It's fundamentally about fairness, honesty and profiting from a lie. When we see someone who has gamed the system and then built an icon/hero/myth/legend around the ill gotten achievements, this generates a very visceral negative response from people.

We all know there are LOTS of winning cyclists who doped or are doping. But none of them blatantly lie, bully, bribe. blackmail and strongarm (!!) their way to the 'top' while still engaging in the as$holery.

He ain't the only one, but he is the very worst example of one who profits from misdeeds and flaunts his ability to get away with it.

And somehow, the intense disgust with him is a surprise to you. There's really no point in us trying to find common ground. But I wouldn't waste a second replying to your posts.

Lance is a jerk and he's a doper.

But I fail to see the logic in excusing other dopers who happen to be nice guys to focus on smashing lance.

I've said it before... I'll be very annoyed if the end result of this is to destroy a bunch of US cyclists but guys like Valverde or Contador get to keep riding. Doping is prevalent, and I'll be okay with this if the whole lot of them get smashed by it... but not of only the guys from my country go down but all the others get a free pass.

I'm nationalistic enough to like to see US riders do well. If this gets pursued and Contador is still riding... I'm going to be a bit annoyed.

 

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