NY Times Says More To Come

[Ferminal]

More BPC lies. I am not using DHEA or testosterone. I do sometimes use the performance enhancing powers of avocados.

Microdosing, no doubt?

 

[BroDeal]

Microdosing, no doubt?

Macrodosing actually. No need to be stingy with them.

 

[Commissar]

More BPC lies. I am not using DHEA or testosterone. I do sometimes use the performance enhancing powers of avocados.

I love how you, TFF and RR always use the same spin tactics as Armstrong when dealing with people. Careful use or words and declaring others to be lying and mentally ill.

Okay, when did you STOP taking DHEA, because you have a post saying you were trying it. And I did not say you were taking testosterone, but you do have a post saying you were thinking about trying it.

C'mon, you are a bit of a hypocrite.

 

[santacruz]

And Armstrong is obviously not "scum", that's the point here. He took some PEDs like Eddie Merckx told him to, and like the rest of his peers have done. By pretending he's scum and sending him to the gas chamber, you're going to find that you've over played your hand. Do you really want to see that?

I was actually just channeling Gene Wilder from Young Frankenstein, but LA is a jerk, and a bully, and frankly I just don't care for the man! I hope he gets in trouble, and I hope the cycling world is cleaned up in the process.

 

[Ferminal]

I love how you, TFF and RR always use the same spin tactics as Armstrong when dealing with people. Careful use or words and declaring others to be lying and mentally ill.

Okay, when did you STOP taking DHEA, because you have a post saying you were trying it. And I did not say you were taking testosterone, but you do have a post saying you were thinking about trying it.

C'mon, you are a bit of a hypocrite.

When did you stop taking Stilnox?

 

[BroDeal]

I love how you, TFF and RR always use the same spin tactics as Armstrong when dealing with people. Careful use or words and declaring others to be lying and mentally ill.

Okay, when did you STOP taking DHEA, because you have a post saying you were trying it. And I did not say you were taking testosterone, but you do have a post saying you were thinking about trying it.

C'mon, you are a bit of a hypocrite.

I have never used DHEA. I did stay at a Motel 6 once.

 

[Boeing]

I love how you, TFF and RR always use the same spin tactics as Armstrong when dealing with people. Careful use or words and declaring others to be lying and mentally ill.

Okay, when did you STOP taking DHEA, because you have a post saying you were trying it. And I did not say you were taking testosterone, but you do have a post saying you were thinking about trying it.

C'mon, you are a bit of a hypocrite.

got xanax?

 

[Nick777]

I know I am stating the obvious, but the situation around the Landis revelations has a different feel to it than any other Armstrong speculation.

If people know that they may go to jail if they don't tell the truth, we may well find the whole house of cards start to collapse. Consequences will go a lot further than people realize.

Any chance that Floyd suddenly gets a huge pay off & drops his claims, or is too late for that now?

 

[cleanmarine]

Way too late. Feds are smelling a huge take down. A takedown that careers are made of. Who ever breaks this is going to be a legend in the law enforcement hall of fame.

 

[Martin318is]

More BPC lies. I am not using DHEA or testosterone. I do sometimes use the performance enhancing powers of avocados.

You are onto them too? I have started my 18month old on the "programme" nice and early. She can pack about 1/2 an avocado in her cheeks at one time and they clearly work because she never stops moving!

 

[Maxiton]

It's phoney because most of them use this doping issue as a stick to beat up on LA. They know most of their favourite riders have doped at some point but they're not so bothered about that. On some occasions they admit it's not the doping they don't like, it's the fact he is a douche in general, contradicting themselves.

<snip>

This is about power. Some people simply can't stand certain other people being hugely popular and successful and thus having a sort of power over them. It's a game.

OK, I'm new to this forum, but I've read the 12 or so comments this guy's posted and I don't see why he got banned. It looks like he got banned for failing to fall into lockstep with the bash Armstrong at all costs hysteria that seems to permeate these threads. You all remind me, frankly, of a bunch of braying rabble at the edges of the scaffolding, screaming for more blood and enjoying the misery of the condemned.

What this guy says makes a lot of sense. I've noticed the same thing in this and other forums: you know your own favorite rider - Voigt, Cancellara, Boonen, whoever - probably dopes to the gills and you couldn't care less. And yet when it comes to Armstrong you are beside yourselves with outrage.

Lighten up. The man is obviously in a lot of trouble. He probably is an *** but that's true of a lot of people.

And if you want to ban me for saying that, why go right ahead.

 

[BikeCentric]

OK, I'm new to this forum, but I've read the 12 or so comments this guy's posted and I don't see why he got banned. It looks like he got banned for failing to fall into lockstep with the bash Armstrong at all costs hysteria that seems to permeate these threads. You all remind me, frankly, of a bunch of braying rabble at the edges of the scaffolding, screaming for more blood and enjoying the misery of the condemned.

What this guy says makes a lot of sense. I've noticed the same thing in this and other forums: you know your own favorite rider - Voigt, Cancellara, Boonen, whoever - probably dopes to the gills and you couldn't care less. And yet when it comes to Armstrong you are beside yourselves with outrage.

Lighten up. The man is obviously in a lot of trouble. He probably is an *** but that's true of a lot of people.

And if you want to ban me for saying that, why go right ahead.

As you said, you're new. This poster was banned because he's a well-known forum troll that has been banned here over 40 times for violating forum rules, threatening people with physical violence, and harassment.

You are also completely inaccurate in your ASSertions as all the riders you mentioned have had many threads devoted to them. Which you could have verified by simply using the search function.

 

[Maxiton]

As you said, you're new. This poster was banned because he's a well-known forum troll that has been banned here over 40 times for violating forum rules, threatening people with physical violence, and harassment.

OK. But how do you know this is the same guy?

You are also completely inaccurate in your ASSertions as all the riders you mentioned have had many threads devoted to them. Which you could have verified by simply using the search function.

I see what you did there. Clever and mature. Anyway, I took your suggestion and did a search for those riders names. Didn't find a whole lot.

Face it, you all are Armstrong obsessed, and were even before the latest Landis explosion.

 

[Ferminal]

OK. But how do you know this is the same guy?

He posts in the exact same way each time.

Face it, you all are Armstrong obsessed, and were even before the latest Landis explosion.

Coming from someone who only registered because of the "latest Landis explosion".

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Some comments, clarifications.

Will LA's domestiques also do jail time to protect LA? For example, what will Hincapie do if the feds come knocking on his door asking for details? What will Tyler do? What would the likes of Beltran and Heras do? Will the cycling omerta survive the assault of the US federal government?

Hincapie has the most to lose. He's near retirement, and trying to set up his Pla d'Adet resort community in the Carolinas and seeking large capital investment, though it is on hold. Talking now, in discretion, he'd take a hit, but could probably say "it was a long time ago, times were different, I apologize" and when everything else washes over, be okay. If he faces any kind of federal investigation that drags on, the whole thing will go down the toilet.

Tyler, who knows? I personally think he will talk at some point, and for his sake I hope he does. I just see him having a heavy burden he needs to lift off himself, and just like Floyd saying it cleared his conscience, Tyler will find that day as well. I just don't know when.

I don't think Frankie has anything to say that he hasn't already said. He was two years gone from USPS by the time Floyd got there.

Heras and Beltran live outside the US. Heras seemed very contrite about his past, stopping just short of confessing, but he also has shown praise for Lance and called him a great leader. Hard to guess what Roberto would say.

Beltran has seemed more defiant.

One more thing I've been wondering in addition to what's already been posted: where has Lance been getting his drugs? Prescription drugs have to come from somewhere, after all, and Big Pharma is a heavily regulated industry...

In one of Dick Pound's books he mentions that one of the reasons companies like Amgen, Roche, Biopure, etc. aren't in too much of a hurry to stop doping in sports is because it counts for a large percentage of the sales. Something like 3/4ths of all "sales" actually.

I wonder to what extend LA could employ an "everybody knows" defence?

Only by confessing. But he could. He could say all kinds of things and that EPO and HGH are harmless, etc. But he's denied it for so long, and been so adamant about that...

Can there be a made for TV movie about this?

Remember the times it was discussed about making a movie about Lance? Matt Damon wanted to play him at one point.

 

[Maxiton]

He posts in the exact same way each time.

You mean he says things that make you feel uncomfortable and spoil your fun, like he did this last time? Got it.

Coming from someone who only registered because of the "latest Landis explosion".

You know when I registered but you don't know why.

 

[Ferminal]

You mean he says things that make you feel uncomfortable and spoil your fun, like he did this last time? Got it.

Tbh replying to trolls is fun for a while and can be good for your own ego but after a while it deteriorates the quality of discussion (like any irrelevant postings do) so for the sake of all viewers it's a better method to keep those who destroy the quality of the forum away.

As this member has been banned many times previously it's not about what they say. If you're new to the internet you may not realise that being banned on one account doesn't mean you can return with a new pseudonym.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=6412

There is an old list of all his accounts (the first one was The Arbiter, check his post history if you think he was unfairly banned), feel free to search them and come to your own conclusions whether or not it is the same person.

Please post it in the "About the Forum" sub-forum rather than continuing this discussing here.

 

[Roland Rat]

Face it, you all are Armstrong obsessed, and were even before the latest Landis explosion.

No, they/we are passionate about cycling. Cycling. Not Armstrong. Unlike the Armstrong fans, cycling fans see cycling as a whole, not just about one person, as one person is never bigger than the sport (something Armstrong fans should realise). The only reason most are so keen to see the back of Armstrong so passionately is because we want his toxic influence on cycling to end. The same as anything you are passionate about, if you see something harming it, you want rid of that thing. As soon as he's gone, we can all forget about him and move on, instead of having to listen to commentators like Phil and Paul fawning (fornicating?) over him every single bloody race (whether he's involved or not). That is why 2006, 2007 and 2008 were so enjoyable.

 

[Roland Rat]

Anyway, it seems this thread has been successfully trolled to death.

To remind everyone, we were talking about this:

Oh, baby - big time press all over this....



Strangely, Lance's manager didn't return calls from the reporter...

My, things are starting to get sticky....

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

...It's a game.

I've asked you this in private, but will do so now in the open.

Why are you here?

Seriously. You are not wanted. We've asked you to leave politely, and we've thrown you out, dozens of times now. No one here who knows who you are likes you. No one wants you here. No members, and certainly none of the staff. You show some knowledge about cycling, but it takes only a few posts after every time you re-register (against the rules) with a new identity before you're antagonizing other members and fighting with them directly, and lying about yourself. I mean, it took all of 10 posts before you were talking about your knowledge and exchanges with other members in the past.

Brodeal and TFF have admitted they are both currently on the substance that Tyler Hamelton got banned for, DHEA. BroDeal has talked about the possibility of doing a course of test.

I love how you, TFF and RR always use the same spin tactics as Armstrong when dealing with people

I've given you links to alternate forums for you to go to, both ones that are filled with people you would agree with, and those that would fight with you like they do here. But instead of going there, you return here. You once told me you don't like it over there. Well, we don't like you here. That's why we keep throwing you out.

Why do you return? Do you think it's going to get you somewhere? I can't imagine what that would be. You're "outed" every time, often within just a few posts now. You're not going to convince anyone of your arguments, or convert them to your view, not on this forum at least.

Sometimes it takes the staff only a day to ban you, sometimes longer. But in the end the result is always the same. It's taken longer than admins thought, but it's going to get to a point where you will be permanently banned, and not be able to return here no matter what. What will you do then? Why aren't you doing that now?

Or, as what happened with another 'troll' on a different forum, your actual identity and location will be tracked down by some hacker who doesn't like you, revealed and posted for everyone to know. Is that how you really want this to end?

Please, for the sake of everyone, including yourself, go away, and stay away.

 

[Roland Rat]

Some comments, clarifications.


Hincapie has the most to lose. He's near retirement, and trying to set up his Pla d'Adet resort community in the Carolinas and seeking large capital investment, though it is on hold. Talking now, in discretion, he'd take a hit, but could probably say "it was a long time ago, times were different, I apologize" and when everything else washes over, be okay. If he faces any kind of federal investigation that drags on, the whole thing will go down the toilet.

Tyler, who knows? I personally think he will talk at some point, and for his sake I hope he does. I just see him having a heavy burden he needs to lift off himself, and just like Floyd saying it cleared his conscience, Tyler will find that day as well. I just don't know when.

I don't think Frankie has anything to say that he hasn't already said. He was two years gone from USPS by the time Floyd got there.

Heras and Beltran live outside the US. Heras seemed very contrite about his past, stopping just short of confessing, but he also has shown praise for Lance and called him a great leader. Hard to guess what Roberto would say.

Beltran has seemed more defiant.


In one of Dick Pound's books he mentions that one of the reasons companies like Amgen, Roche, Biopure, etc. aren't in too much of a hurry to stop doping in sports is because it counts for a large percentage of the sales. Something like 3/4ths of all "sales" actually.


Only by confessing. But he could. He could say all kinds of things and that EPO and HGH are harmless, etc. But he's denied it for so long, and been so adamant about that...


Remember the times it was discussed about making a movie about Lance? Matt Damon wanted to play him at one point.

It's disappointing that Kristen Armstrong has now commented that she "cannot recollect" the FLandis incident occuring.

But if you look at it more closely - by saying "cannot recollect", she is not denying the possibility of it happening. In which case, isn't that a tacit admission of knowledge of LA's doping?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Sorry for that diversion. Sad I had to post it.

On topic, Sports Illustrated has chimed in as well. On their site and in the print issue.

 

[Strade Bianche]

this from the nytimes article:

But unlike the other investigations, this one involves federal authorities from the United States. They have become more interested in Armstrong’s alleged ties to doping since Landis accused Armstrong — his teammate on the Postal Service team — and other top cyclists of doping.

did anyone else notice the word "more" in the second sentence? i didn't realize that the feds were interested in LA's alleged ties to doping before FL's accusations.

any thoughts on this?

 

[Cerberus]

this from the nytimes article:

But unlike the other investigations, this one involves federal authorities from the United States. They have become more interested in Armstrong’s alleged ties to doping since Landis accused Armstrong — his teammate on the Postal Service team — and other top cyclists of doping.

did anyone else notice the word "more" in the second sentence? i didn't realize that the feds were interested in LA's alleged ties to doping before FL's accusations.

any thoughts on this?

I wouldn't draw any strong conclusions from just one word. It might just have been an unfortunate phrasing. Or they could have very cassually looked into it before and concluded they had no case, but then become more interested after Landis. I don't think it is strong evidence that there was any real preexisting investigation. I can't rule it our of cause, but the evidence for it is real thin.

 

[Anonymous]

theswordsman,

I don't think this thread, nor the sticky thread, is the right place for you to post your AC fanboy stuff.

For what it's worth, I think you're more deluded than most of the LA fanboys because at least they usually recognise that LA probably doped at some point. But you actually genuinely believe AC broke the power record for climbing and beat Cancellara in the ITT totally clean.

You have no right to show your face in these threads to be honest.

Sorry, but truth hurts and all that.

The line about most LA fanboys recognizing that LA doped actually made me spit up some coffee this morning with laughter...

So now the defense is LA fanboys knew it all along but never cared? That one is priceless...a real gem.