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Natasha said:
Are you kidding me? I can't believe any woman would consent to having a child with any of them and the creepy stuff they do to themselves... my God, if my husband was ALSO seeing a gynecologist, yes, I would have a problem with that.

But I am not married to a pro cyclist. Yes, I think it's quite possible she didn't bother herself with the details of that stuff and ignored it if she could. Or maybe she knew every bit of it and followed his doping regimen on her calendar, and they saw Doc Ferrari together for a discount. I don't know. I'm ONLY saying she could easily plead ignorance and "not recalling."

For Pete's sake, it was one comment that she may not know enough to be an effective witness in court, or she could PRETEND not to know enough. I'll let y'all go back to your circle jerk now. :rolleyes:

I see your point. My contention is that a spouse would have to know doping was going on. But I can see how LA could make it easy for her to forget a specific hand-off like this alleged incident - "just giving Floyd a box of Powerbars honey" or whatever.

As to your fantasies of circle jerks I have no comment. :p
 
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After 8 years of marriage my wife still can't explain to someone in the street what I do for a living. She goes glass-eyed whenever I try to talk about my day. I have also worked from home via dialup right in front of her and she still had no idea what I do.

I am glad to see that Kik has confirmed by belief that this is standard practise for spouses! - was starting to worry that mine just doesn't care.... :p
 
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Wtf ?

Sitting here in sunny OZ.
Followed Cycling for years.

I AM CONFUSED :confused:

How is "alleged" indescretions by LA and others any different to top euro pro's who are actually suspended and then come back and are still treated like gods by the euro fans ??

Sorry folks ...

DONT understand.

My life must to very sheltered:eek:
 
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Martin318is said:
After 8 years of marriage my wife still can't explain to someone in the street what I do for a living. She goes glass-eyed whenever I try to talk about my day. I have also worked from home via dialup right in front of her and she still had no idea what I do.

I am glad to see that Kik has confirmed by belief that this is standard practise for spouses! - was starting to worry that mine just doesn't care.... :p

LOL. My point exactly! :D Her journal that day probably said "Floyd was here again. Damn farmboy, he never uses a coaster! And no, I will not get you another beer while I'm up!" :p

Just jokin' around people, no lectures required... :rolleyes:
 
Floyd has made it pretty clear that he genuinely believes the doping in which they engage is reasonably safe and not unreasonably unhealthy. After all, it's all sanctioned and overseen by medical doctors. You also have to consider that the kind of training these guys do is already unsafe and unhealthy by normal people's standards. So you have to look at it relative to the lives they are living.

So do their wives.
 
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Barracuda said:
How is "alleged" indescretions by LA and others any different to top euro pro's who are actually suspended and then come back and are still treated like gods by the euro fans ??

because most of the fans on the mountains in europe are cyclists or families of cycling, cycling generations per se, and they have always known the score, accept it and choose to ignore what riders do behind closed doors but enjoy and love the spectacle of it all....
 

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Natasha said:
I don't know, why do you?

I think Lance is guilty, always have, I'm not a Kool-Aid drinker... I just think going after his wife is not as productive as going after actual players actually involved in this game. She can easily "not recall" any of these things under oath, and also I'm just saying as a wife, she probably wasn't following the doings of Floyd Landis with great interest. :rolleyes:

I think going after his wife is SOP. Too bad. She's a profiteer of the myth too.

I don't see Ms. wide eyed born again Christian, lying with impunity, and not caring about the doings of her international celebrity husband.

Maybe that's just me.
 

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alberto.legstrong said:
Any lawyers here. Can you take 5th amndment on a grand jury proceeding?

You realize that pleading the 5th is tantamount to an admission of guilt. Especially when you're hiding info that reflects badly on a saint?

It's not like they're going after mob guys here. They're already muddied, it's just a matter of proving them guilty beyond a certain threshold.

It's another thing entirely when your reputation rests on being viewed as clean.

Armstrong getting off like John Gotti getting off, is a huge loss for Armstrong.

That's why people like Carmichael, Hincapie, Lim and Ochowitz, will roll. They have a lot to lose and they won't go down for armstrong.
 
alberto.legstrong said:
Any lawyers here. Can you take 5th amndment on a grand jury proceeding?

Yes you can.

I'm moving a post I previously added to another thread here since it seems more appropriate:

I was reading over Lance's deposition in the SCA case and I think the UCI and Lance are being a bit clever. There were in fact two payments. One made some years before 2005. And another made after he retired, the one for $100,000.

After talking about the $25M or so that he had previously donated "some years ago" (Armstrong can't recall the specifics), the questioning attorney asks:

Q: "Had you ever given any money to UCI before?"

A: "No"

Q: "Have you ever given any money since?

A: "I have pledged money since, but I don't think I've done it yet."
(I typed this in from the transcript, couldn't copy and paste)

Now this was in 2005. So, I think this is a clear reference to the $100,000. So this raises the question, which should be directed to Pat McQuaid and Lance Armstrong, when was this money received and what did the UCI do with those funds?
 

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Alpe d'Huez said:
If Tyler talks, I don't see him giving up names easily. But I can see him giving a general confession/apology. I do think he would talk though in order to save his Olympic gold. We'll see. I agree though that if others start talking, and he faces an investigation, his clients will all dry up, and he'll end up in the same mud as the others who remain silent.

Good posts BikeCentric, comparing this to BALCO. I think it has awakened the mainstream some, opened their eyes to just how bad this is. And just like finding out Bonds, McGuire, ARod, etc. were all doped up it has people upset and turned stomachs, as you say.

I think you're correct in this assessment although it just reveals how nuts TH is.

His gold medal is worth about as much as the actual gold in the medal. The guy is so screwy that he doesn't realize that a clear conscience is worth so much more. That gold medal is a millstone around his psychological health.
 
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buckwheat said:
I think you're correct in this assessment although it just reveals how nuts TH is.

His gold medal is worth about as much as the actual gold in the medal. The guy is so screwy that he doesn't realize that a clear conscience is worth so much more. That gold medal is a millstone around his psychological health.

i reckon TH is using his gold medal as an income ie, come train with olympic champion TH etc.....
 
buckwheat said:
I think you're correct in this assessment although it just reveals how nuts TH is.

His gold medal is worth about as much as the actual gold in the medal. The guy is so screwy that he doesn't realize that a clear conscience is worth so much more. That gold medal is a millstone around his psychological health.

Don't blame him for wanting to keep the gold medal. Ekimov and Julich were also most likely doping, so Tyler doesn't think he cheated anyone out of the gold. Of course, the other two were careful enough not to get caught.
 

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BikeCentric said:
You honestly don't care if your husband is pumping himself full of drugs with needles and giving himself transfusions out of blood bags he stores in the fridge?! :eek:

Depends how you look at it. If you go by the culture and laws of western society as it is today then drugs are bad. Especially drugs with needles. But people are married to diabetics and anaemia so we can get over the use of needles if we want to.

It's mind conditioning. If we were brought up to believe hormones like EPO are no different to vitamins or drinking a stimulant like coffee, and needles are okay, then we wouldn't think twice about it. What we believe is right and wrong was in fact decided for us by people a couple of hundred years ago. If they had believed something else, then we would believe something else today.

In the bubble of pro-cycling they have developed a different culture that has its own norms and is totally different to the culture of the outside society. They think society would not understand their culture and therefore they don't see any moral problem with lying about what they do.
 
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Publicus said:
Yes you can.

Hmm. I seem to recall...and I wish I had better recollection, that there are instances when a witness cannot invoke the 5th amendment. Do you know of any?


Publicus said:
I was reading over Lance's deposition in the SCA case and I think the UCI and Lance are being a bit clever. There were in fact two payments. One made some years before 2005. And another made after he retired, the one for $100,000.

After talking about the $25M or so that he had previously donated "some years ago" (Armstrong can't recall the specifics), the questioning attorney asks:

(I typed this in from the transcript, couldn't copy and paste)

Now this was in 2005. So, I think this is a clear reference to the $100,000. So this raises the question, which should be directed to Pat McQuaid and Lance Armstrong, when was this money received and what did the UCI do with those funds?

When I first heard about Landis' coming clean, I have always thought this is going to be a matter of how well did the paper trail of money get covered rather than syringes and bloodbags.
 
alberto.legstrong said:
Hmm. I seem to recall...and I wish I had better recollection, that there are instances when a witness cannot invoke the 5th amendment. Do you know of any?




When I first heard about Landis' coming clean, I have always thought this is going to be a matter of how well did the paper trail of money get covered rather than syringes and bloodbags.

Once you've gotten on the stand to testify, you cannot later invoke your 5th Amendment rights. It has the effect of nullifying your testimony and in all likelihood you will be held in contempt of court.
 
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alberto.legstrong said:
Hmm. I seem to recall...and I wish I had better recollection, that there are instances when a witness cannot invoke the 5th amendment. Do you know of any?




When I first heard about Landis' coming clean, I have always thought this is going to be a matter of how well did the paper trail of money get covered rather than syringes and bloodbags.

and lets hope the paper trail gets followed through to the end.
 
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tubularglue said:
25 as in million ?

Typo - Lance said $25,000

I had never heard of Novitsky before, but was glad to read that he had been an IRS investigator before moving to the FDA. The article also said that he's really good at using the media, and that will be important for this investigation.

If Armstrong is found to have made his millions from sporting fraud, lying to win lawsuits, and possibly intimidating witnesses, would that have any effect on money to Kristin in the divorce?

I'm thinking back again to that awful Nieuwsblad interview he gave attacking Contador and the Spanish press. He managed to work in some bragging about how much money he made - I think the figure was $12 million for winning the 7th Tour. I wonder what is the status of things like that? The SCA one was for 5 million.