Off season. We need some Giro 2011 discussion.

[Ryo Hazuki]

Now that Contador is back, the stageraces finally will be boring again.

Alberto will win the Giro with his finger in nose.

jose rujano

 

[Parrulo]

jose rujano

if rujano is in good form he will be up there with the best but he doesn't look like a clear winner to me. contador is better and if he is in good form i don't see rujano beating him nor any1 for that matter

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

contador is more explosive so rujano will be in trouble in beginning of climbs but the longer the climb he stronger rujano gets. he is truely from a different planet in this and also stronger even than contador. I don't say rujano will win this giro over contador but he is the only one who stands a chance. another important thing is, is dfat rujano doesn';t look back he keeps going and going in hus incredible rhythm, great example is sestriere 2005 how he beat simoni, he kept pushing until he broke and he broke on something 4/5%. incredible power or more recently the vuelta colombia 2009 and also 2010 as well as tachira 2010, but these results may tell you less. when andy schleck goes he rides a hard rhytm a while adn then looks back as the goddamn coward that he is, rujano only sets on tempo and one goal and will so for the entire climb like ullrich used to do. this can break contador not the sudden speedchanges others try or short relays

overall rujano is much stronger than in 2005 which is normal since then he was 23 and now he is 28

 

[theyoungest]

also got to love nibali second year skipping the tour to focus on races he can actually win. thats something we don't see a lot this days cough gesink cough

I'm sure if Nibali were Dutch we wouldn't see him in the Giro either.

jose rujano

Come on, there's a couple of GT winners at the start, Contador will worry about those before he worries about Rujano.

 

[Parrulo]

anton( if he doesn't crashs's), michele and nibali(seems stronger in the climbs this year and he knows how to cut his losses when needed) should be up there aswell, and ofc we can't forget menchov and purito.

then there are some second tier guys who can surprise us, please allow me to be biased and say tiago machado may be a surprise tho i think his climbing hasn't looked that great lately.

this will be a great giro. lets hope all of this guys get there in top shape and with no health problems ( mostly rujano cus iirc i heard you say that he gets sick too easily)

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'm sure if Nibali were Dutch we wouldn't see him in the Giro either.


Come on, there's a couple of GT winners at the start, Contador will worry about those before he worries about Rujano.

it's not about contador having to worrie about rujano, it's about who has more of a chance of beating contador. menchov has never beaten him or even come close, neither have nibali or anyone else, only guy who stands a chance imo is rujano and perhaps scarponi for his unorthodox and aggresive way of racing. let's not forget that lampre and androni have the strongest climbing teams in this giro

 

[theyoungest]

it's not about contador having to worrie about rujano, it's about who has more of a chance of beating contador. menchov has never beaten him or even come close, neither have nibali or anyone else, only guy who stands a chance imo is rujano and perhaps scarponi for his unorthodox and aggresive way of racing. let's not forget that lampre and androni have the strongest climbing teams in this giro

Why has he sucked so bad in European racing, the past couple of years? Was it all part of the big plan to come and surprise all his rivals in the Giro 2011?

 

[jens_attacks]

yep me too i'm expecting great things from michele and rujano.alberto won't have an easy job.

 

[Parrulo]

it's not about contador having to worrie about rujano, it's about who has more of a chance of beating contador. menchov has never beaten him or even come close, neither have nibali or anyone else, only guy who stands a chance imo is rujano and perhaps scarponi for his unorthodox and aggresive way of racing. let's not forget that lampre and androni have the strongest climbing teams in this giro

now you are overdoing it.

rujano has never been beaten contador cus he was never able to perform in europe cept the 2005 giro so he went back to south america.

also anto has beaten contador before. purito did it in last year's tour. just examples.

Why has he sucked so bad in European racing, the past couple of years? Was it all part of the big plan to come and surprise all his rivals in the Giro 2011?

quoted for the absolute truth

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Why has he sucked so bad in European racing, the past couple of years? Was it all part of the big plan to come and surprise all his rivals in the Giro 2011?

where did he suck then the last couple of years?? he didn't even race in europe the last couple of years. in 2008 after caisse debacle he left to venezuela and became a changed man when he got rid of that idiot manager of his, rujano was all in it for the money and he had succeded un that as he become multi millionaire thanks to unibet and quickstep but when he returned to gobernacion de zulia in 2009 and he won vuelta colombia, something changed inside him, he has always been ambition but just wrong mentality

it is risky because he could fall back but I think he won't.a friend of mine spoke to his personal trainer last year at isd who now works at saxo, he told me he was out of this world in physical tests. better than basso or contador he said. it's just that he is uncoachable and that is why I'm happy he has returned to savio, he choose savio over the money from movistar this year and that says a lot.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

now you are overdoing it.

rujano has never been beaten contador cus he was never able to perform in europe cept the 2005 giro so he went back to south america.

also anto has beaten contador before. purito did it in last year's tour. just examples.



quoted for the absolute truth

anton always crashes

 

[Parrulo]

anton always crashes

and rujano gets sick

seems like we have reach'd an impass

btw i highly doubt rujano became "multi millionaire"

he earned good money but there are only a handfull of multi millionaire cyclists and they became that by racing in europe an entire carrer winning big races

 

[theyoungest]

where did he suck then the last couple of years?? he didn't even race in europe the last couple of years. in 2008 after caisse debacle he left to venezuela and became a changed man when he got rid of that idiot manager of his, rujano was all in it for the money and he had succeded un that as he become multi millionaire thanks to unibet and quickstep but when he returned to gobernacion de zulia in 2009 and he won vuelta colombia, something changed inside him, he has always been ambition but just wrong mentality

it is risky because he could fall back but I think he won't.a friend of mine spoke to his personal trainer last year at isd who now works at saxo, he told me he was out of this world in physical tests. better than basso or contador he said. it's just that he is uncoachable and that is why I'm happy he has returned to savio, he choose savio over the money from movistar this year and that says a lot.

2010:
Giro del Trentino - 30th.
Settimana Coppi e Bartali - 39th.

 

[luckyboy]

Yeah I hope Rujano does well.

How about Pozzovivo? Remember someone saying he was one of the best climbers in the world, though I haven't seen any performances like that.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

and rujano gets sick

seems like we have reach'd an impass

btw i highly doubt rujano became "multi millionaire"

he earned good money but there are only a handfull of multi millionaire cyclists and they became that by racing in europe an entire carrer winning big races

he did, he made 1.5 million at unibet in that year. unibet made increidble contractsm he also made 1 million at quickstep. his manager was incredibleidiot but he knew how to get money contracts, he is still manager of guys like selvaggi if you ever wonder why he gets great teams

 

[Parrulo]

he did, he made 1.5 million at unibet in that year. unibet made increidble contractsm he also made 1 million at quickstep. his manager was incredibleidiot but he knew how to get money contracts, he is still manager of guys like selvaggi if you ever wonder why he gets great teams

thats hardly multi millionaire in the true sense of the word. besides not everything you earn is profit. taxes, living costs, paying his own manager who prolly is as good as getting him good contracts as he is getting himself good contracts

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

2010:
Giro del Trentino - 30th.
Settimana Coppi e Bartali - 39th.

isd didn't get giro invite rujano was totally unmotivated. besides first stage of settimana, just day after announcing of them not getting invited:

1 87 COL19790417 SERPA PEREZ Jose Rodolfo (COL) 1979 AND ANDRONI GIOCATTOLI-SERRAMENTI PVC 4D:I1Q1U'0IG9IOVANNI 10
2 125 ITA19740706 BALIANI Fortunato (ITA) 1974 MIE MICHE 4:11'09 0 6
3 27 ITA19830901 RICCO' Riccardo (ITA) 1983 FLM CERAMICA FLAMINIA 4:11'09 0 4
4 123 POL19800411 NIEMIEC Przemyslaw (POL) 1980 MIE MICHE 4:11'09 0
5 51 ITA19821130 POZZOVIVO Domenico (ITA) 1982 CSF COLNAGO - CSF INOX 4:11'09 0
6 36 VEN19820218 RUJANO GUILLEN José (VEN) 1982 ISD ISD - NERI 4:11'09 0
7 1 ITA19840801 GAVAZZI Francesco (ITA) 1984 LAM LAMPRE - FARNESE VINI 4:11'21 12
8 25 ITA19710916 GENTILI Massimiliano (ITA) 1971 FLM CERAMICA FLAMINIA 4:11'21 12
9 8 ITA19760328 RIGHI Daniele (ITA) 1976 LAM LAMPRE - FARNESE VINI 4:11'21 12
10 76 ITA19810109 SELLA Emanuele (ITA) 1981 CMO CARMIOORO NGC 4:11'21 12



2008 when he was totally out of shape in giro:

Uitslag:
1 Franco Pellizotti (Ita) Liquigas 40.26 (19.142 km/h)
2 Emanuele Sella (Ita) CSF Group Navigare 0.06
3 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli 0.17
4 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0.22
5 Riccardo Riccò (Ita) Saunier Duval - Scott 0.30
6 José Rujano Guillen (Ven) Caisse d'Epargne 0.49
7 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Lampre 1.04
8 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) CSF Group Navigare 1.43
9 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) LPR Brakes 1.45
10 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank 1.49

tour de suisse 2008
1 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Liquigas 1.00.22.82 (24,848 km/h)
2 José Rujano Guillen (Ven) Caisse d'Epargne 0.15.73
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 0.17.25
4 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre 0.53.29
5 Frank Schleck (Lux) Team CSC 1.26.20
6 Jens Voigt (Ger) Team CSC 1.34.96
7 Igor Anton Hernandez (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 1.48.46
8 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Team High Road 2.08.06
9 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team CSC 2.19.53
10 Laurens Ten Dam (Ned) Rabobank 2.49.74
11 Christian Knees (Ger) Team Milram 2.59.66
12 Johann Tschopp (Swi) Bouygues Telecom 3.20.37
13 Pietro Caucchioli (Ita) Crédit Agricole 3.21.92
14 Steve Morabito (Swi) Astana 3.23.71
15 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Team High Road 3.24.90

final gc germany tour 2008
1 Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Team Columbia 33.25.18
2 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Team Columbia 52
3 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Astana 1.34
4 Daniel Navarro Garcia (Spa) Astana 3.06
5 Pietro Caucchioli (Ita) Crédit Agricole 3.27
6 José Rujano Guillen (Ven) Caisse d'Epargne 3.35
7 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank 3.56
8 Andrea Noè (Ita) Liquigas 4.10
9 Eros Capecchi (Ita) Scott - American Beef 4.44
10 Jussi Veikkanen (Fin) Française des Jeux 4.53
11 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 5.15
12 Christophe Le Mével (Fra) Crédit Agricole 5.24
13 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Caisse d'Epargne 5.28
14 Markus Fothen (Ger) Gerolsteiner 6.14
15 Charles Wegelius (GBr) Liquigas 6.36


it;'s not as if he sucked at caisse depargne they alsowanted him to renew contract but rujano went home... and now he is back and you will soon find out

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

thats hardly multi millionaire in the true sense of the word. besides not everything you earn is profit. taxes, living costs, paying his own manager who prolly is as good as getting him good contracts as he is getting himself good contracts

taxes in venezuela for a sportshero?? chavez waited formhim on airport after he won vuelta colombia so I doubt he has to pay much

furthermore multi millionaire means 2 million or more

 

[El Pistolero]

Tomorrow we'll know if Contador rides the Giro or not

 

[Parrulo]

Tomorrow we'll know if Contador rides the Giro or not

i would be very disapointed if he backs down just cus the UCI won't appeal. would be very disrespectfull to the giro as a race and to his organizers/public. i reckon he would lose some italians fans by doing that.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

i would be very disapointed if he backs down just cus the UCI won't appeal. would be very disrespectfull to the giro as a race and to his organizers/public. i reckon he would lose some italians fans by doing that.

and shows again the coward that he is

 

[Parrulo]

and shows again the coward that he is

i wouldn't call him coward. but i would say he had become another tour obcessed f*g

 

[Jamsque]

Rujano will not challenge Contador at all. I'll be very surprised if he makes the top 5.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

i wouldn't call him coward. but i would say he had become another tour obcessed f*g

it means he's afraid and those that are afraid I would often call a coward.

 

[El Pistolero]

It means Bjarne Riis would never allow him to ride the Giro if the WADA doesn't appeal.

Saxo is paying him 5mill a year, and not for him to ride the Giro. I don't think Contador is afraid of the competitors at the Giro. He's beaten them all before by many minutes.

There's still the Vuelta after the Tour you know.