Official Alberto Contador hearing thread

[Havetts]

I always like to read your posts python, so if its possible please do so

 

[Dr. Maserati]

What legal system is perfectly protected from influence?

I brought the IOC up as an analogue. For people that tune in every four years, the IOC is probably a fine thing, as CAS may be. Look a little closer at the IOC and the problems are apparent. It doesn't mean CAS is as corrupt as the IOC. It's more like don't just assume CAS works perfectly.

Maybe I'm wrong. It should be safe to examine the CAS system to get some insight one way or another.

Thats where you make your mistake - you have not "examined the CAS system", you have based your assumptions on the IOC.

As you say look at the IOC and their corruption is apparent - now, do the same to CAS. Has there ever been a case or verdict which has lead to accusations of corruption?

Maybe another way to say it is it would be better if Contador AND the UCI chose someone, WADA chose someone, and CAS appoints a lead. It would better reflect reality. Heaven forbid the UCI lose the message they are discouraging doping though.

This isn't x-factor - the CAS panels decision will be on a legal basis which in time will be made public. The UCI will have little input in any decision.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

we have only few days left (hopefully ) before the verdict on contador is announced...

still, ever since wada leaked the news about ashenden being blocked by cas from giving a testimony, i was, quite frankly, not just perplexed but uneasy with the fact.

the alleged legal reasoning - lack of probative value - is simple enough for a lawyer like publicus (no disrespect at all, mate ). but i am not one. to an observer like myself, or imo ANY critically-inclined or inquisitive scientist, ‘low probative value’ means little w/o some substantive evidence or at least a quick reflection.

to satisfy the curiosity within the modest time limit imposed on me by other duties, i attempted to fill the gap . i made inquiries to colleagues and medical pals, checked some research, made few assumptions and came to a tentative conclusion...

If the AP-reported incident was true, the cas panel in my opinion was not unreasonable, though personally i’d give ashenden the floor anyway, when they considered wada-proposed theory as too speculative.


if there will be sufficient interest, i’ll invest some time in putting my thoughts in writing and perhaps even open a separate thread. i don't see a reason to bother otherwise given the polarized nature of the majority of opinions.

I think the dilemma here is that you are trying to give a scientific answer to a legal question.
I can certainly see why CAS would not hear arguments based on DHEP/plasticizers and as much as I would be surprised I could understand why the Biological Passport might not have been accepted either.
Ultimately, it is not up to WADA/UCI to show how the Clen entered in to ACs system, it is up to AC to establish how it got there.


Also - I don't believe its correct to say "WADA leaked" the story about Ashenden. The story appears to be based on a text message (probably from someone within WADA) to someone who obviously is not a part of the case. The recipient "leaked" that information, not WADA.

 

[python]

<snip> The story appears to be based on a text message (probably from someone within WADA)

that was one long text message

anyways, it seems there is enough interest, i'm going to be back in a couple of hrs (gotta run some chores before the boycott cuts off the forum )

 

[Dr. Maserati]

that was one long text message

anyways, it seems there is enough interest, i'm going to be back in a couple of hrs (gotta run some chores before the boycott cuts off the forum )

I'm certainly interested in reading your view - so, ya, get in before the boycott.

 

[virandociclista]

that was one long text message

anyways, it seems there is enough interest, i'm going to be back in a couple of hrs (gotta run some chores before the boycott cuts off the forum )

I'm waiting, phyton!

 

[LaFlorecita]

that was one long text message

anyways, it seems there is enough interest, i'm going to be back in a couple of hrs (gotta run some chores before the boycott cuts off the forum )

Must have cost lots of money...

Please do get it up here, I'm seriously interested.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ys-no-change-to-arbitration-panel-sought.aspx

@&!#$!!!! What the fvck is this?

 

[Cimber]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ys-no-change-to-arbitration-panel-sought.aspx

@&!#$!!!! What the fvck is this?

sigh. this is a joke

 

[masking_agent]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...ys-no-change-to-arbitration-panel-sought.aspx

@&!#$!!!! What the fvck is this?

its simply "litigation" and I'm not surprised by it.

more and more it looks like he's gonna skate free

 

[LaFlorecita]

sigh. this is a joke

It really is. It makes me so mad. Can't it just be over already?

And the best part is that they're blaming the media for yet another delay... *sigh* Apparently they asked all parties if one of them wanted to file a complaint against the panel or the Israeli judge (or something in that direction), but no-one wanted to do so, so I don't understand why they need two more weeks.

Btw, if there had been filed a complaint, there would've been a chance the whole process should be done over.

 

[Cobblestoned]

It really is. It makes me so mad. Can't it just be over already?

And the best part is that they're blaming the media for yet another delay... *sigh* Apparently they asked all parties if one of them wanted to file a complaint against the panel or the Israeli judge (or something in that direction), but no-one wanted to do so, so I don't understand why they need two more weeks.

Btw, if there had been filed a complaint, there would've been a chance the whole process should be done over.

Dear fangirl,
we are waiting for a decision on Ullrich for nearly 6! years, I repeat, six years now.
So, it would only be fair if we were "satisfied" first.
I hope so.

As for the Fistolero, I hope he will be freed, even when a ban would make the races more interesting when it comes to results.
But for the entertainment part, I want to see Alberto bang bang.

I think Alberto already got his punishment, a really bad punishment, which was the TdF teampresentation. Buhhh.

 

[hfer07]

all those delays are bvllsh!t
I won't be surprised if they decide to drag this issue by June, in order to mess up with Alberto's preparation....

shame on CAS

 

[Califootman]

Does this impact Contador's appearance at the Tour de San Luis? Obviously he's still cleared to race during these proceedings, but would it affect his ability to count the past offseason as "time served" if he gets a ban?

 

[doolols]

I won't be surprised if they decide to drag this issue by June, in order to mess up with Alberto's preparation....

I don't think it's making any difference to his preparation. He thinks he's going to get off, so he's carrying on regardless.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

He thinks he's going to get off

Thinks, or knows.

 

[Cimber]

Does this impact Contador's appearance at the Tour de San Luis? Obviously he's still cleared to race during these proceedings, but would it affect his ability to count the past offseason as "time served" if he gets a ban?

It wont matter. If he gets banned they will just strip him of any results he got in that race.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Does this impact Contador's appearance at the Tour de San Luis? Obviously he's still cleared to race during these proceedings, but would it affect his ability to count the past offseason as "time served" if he gets a ban?

The past off season won't count as time served, as he didn't have some sort of ban stopping him from racing. That was the case, though, in last year's off season.

The CAS could offer him a ban starting in, let's say, August, but if Alberto decides on that, I'm sure he doesn't mind being stripped of a possible win, in order to have his ban cut 5 months shorter.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It wont matter. If he gets banned they will just strip him of any results he got in that race.

Damn. You beat me to it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Thinks, or knows.

Seeing what Señor_Contador posted earlier (vvvvvv), that wouldn't surprise me at all. I've stated that earlier in this thread as well.

Hate to change the subject here but... A cyclist friend of mine from Galicia had a chance to ride with a few guys from Pinto (and surroundings) last week (some sort of charity event) and... to make a long story short, Alberto's mighty smiley as of lately, going as far as throwing a confirmatory wink at them when asked if he thought he was going to get off.

I think he is going to walk.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Dear fangirl,
we are waiting for a decision on Ullrich for nearly 6! years, I repeat, six years now.
So, it would only be fair if we were "satisfied" first.
I hope so.

Pff... Ullrich... That's not that important, is it? At least nowhere as important as Alberto's case. rolleyes: sarcasm, for those of you who can't recognize it) There was a CAS case against him too right? Decision due somewhere around the same time as Berto's?

As for the Pistolero, I hope he will be freed, even when a ban would make the races more interesting when it comes to results.
But for the entertainment part, I want to see Alberto bang bang.

Shh! Don't let will10 hear that! He'll accuse you of fanboying! He did the same to me...

I think Alberto already got his punishment, a really bad punishment, which was the TdF teampresentation. Buhhh.

Bad memories... I remember it took me a while to realise they were actually booing him... I was so excited to finally see him again, and while I normally hope for him to stay on screen as long as possible, I was thinking "Leave, Berto, don't let yourself go through this" at that time. Stupid Frenchies.

 

[Siriuscat]

Bad memories... I remember it took me a while to realise they were actually booing him... I was so excited to finally see him again, and while I normally hope for him to stay on screen as long as possible, I was thinking "Leave, Berto, don't let yourself go through this" at that time. Stupid Frenchies.

...but just think abiout the reception he got on the Galibier and Alpe d'huez....apart from the salad chef he smacked....because of his incredible attack on the Telegraph, by the end of the three weeks there was a kind of redemption.

It's wearying now, just get the findings out there.

 

[LaFlorecita]

...but just think abiout the reception he got on the Galibier and Alpe d'huez....apart from the salad chef he smacked....because of his incredible attack on the Telegraph, by the end of the three weeks there was a kind of redemption.

It's wearying now, just get the findings out there.

Hn. I don't know... :|

 

[python]

lets read between the lines and try to figure out what really caused the delay and what it may have resulted in…

the ap article said, ‘WADA team filed a written complaint…it alleged the CAS panel failed to respect WADA's right to be heard’

wada’s official response was a bit indirect if not weak. wada never denied the fact of the official complaint and only tried to downplay the politically awkward accusations of the panel’s president spanish connections,“at no stage did WADA challenge any member of the panel for a lack of independence.*

today’s cas statement seemed to confirmed the wada complaint and even hinted at the deliberations interruption caused by it.
‘the Panel will now be able to resume its mission’.

so, the delay was most likely caused by some internal cas review of the complaint regarding blocking ashenden. it looks like the review took about 2 weeks. the fact that all parties agreed to proceed w/o changing the panel either indicates that no procedural impropriety was found in barring ashenden (bad news for wada) and/or perhaps wada received some concessions in the form of being allowed to file additional arguments (good news for wada).

in either case, i cannot see the panel reversing it's stance on ashenden theory b/c having never been cross examined there's no possibility of adding anything evidential new to the court records.

 

[sniper]

I'm surprised CAS took this far-fetched, highly improbable accusation of bribery so seriously.
there were no arguments for such an accusation whatsoever.