Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

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It's sickening this person still has her job...Gee, I wonder what would happen if the Post's financial reporter came out in support of Maddoff after he got nailed..."you know, yes, he is a liar and a thief...but I still really love the guy...he came from the bottom and did what he needed to and noone will ever take that away ect".

and then the numbnut comments start rolling in under her column...right on sally...we agree...give em hell sally...lance is awesome...wahoo! one guy, and for his sake I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he has some sorta of actual brain damage as an explanation, actually says Lance and Captain James T Kirk are his two favorite people in the world...
 
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I’ve long believed that what athletes put in their bodies should be a matter of personal conscience, not police actions

Since when has USADA had police powers? Tygat was going to put Wonderboy in Jail?

Sally spewing the talking points to the end
 
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You guys getting all worked up by a fish hack is comedy.

People should know that Sally J. is and forever will be in Lance's corner. She made a huge amount of cash off of the story.

If she is working on another book then all the more reason to place this article in the Fish Wrap.
 
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Really what the column should have said was along the lines of, I dont hate Lance because I made shed loads o money off him, and now Im getting more to try and get him good publicity .....no journalistic integrity. The post should look into that and why the article was written.....not a chance that was done for nothing.
 
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The Gnome said:
It's sickening this person still has her job...Gee, I wonder what would happen if the Post's financial reporter came out in support of Maddoff after he got nailed...

You don't understand journalism according to the WP -- it's all about the page hits and the dollars.
 
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trailrunner said:
You don't understand journalism according to the WP -- it's all about the page hits and the dollars.

What should happen is an investigative journalist with integrity should look into why it was written,how she has made money off his cheating and quite possibly has made some more as a pr payment to get him back in print and sway public opinion. Someone needs to take the gloves off.
 
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noddy69 said:
What should happen is an investigative journalist with integrity should look into why it was written,how she has made money off his cheating and quite possibly has made some more as a pr payment to get him back in print and sway public opinion. Someone needs to take the gloves off.


Not going to happen. So what if she was a shill? That's a story?

Investigative journalism died a long time ago, about the time that critical and independent thinking (i.e., don't believe everything you hear or read) died.
 
Reporters are ALL about kindling, stoking, and feeding off controversy. That is what they do. Controversy brings eyeballs and eyeballs bring advertising revenue.

I'm sure Sally is incredibly grateful to everyone who reads, discusses, or provides links to her article.

What's the real difference between Sally and the devoted fans who support pro cycling even though they know it is a filthy cesspool?
 
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Is Jenkins an investigative journalist or a columnist? As a columnist, she would be paid to write her opinions, and by doing so to draw extra readers to the paper. Seems like she is doing her job very well indeed. If she is a investigative journalist, I'd say not so well as her analysis is shallow and incomplete.

But I continue to be amazed at the collective condemning of those who hold a differing opinion on internet forums.
 
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howsteepisit said:
Is Jenkins an investigative journalist or a columnist? As a columnist, she would be paid to write her opinions, and by doing so to draw extra readers to the paper. Seems like she is doing her job very well indeed. If she is a investigative journalist, I'd say not so well as her analysis is shallow and incomplete.

But I continue to be amazed at the collective condemning of those who hold a differing opinion on internet forums.

Really? New to the intertubes, huh?
 

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MarkvW said:
Reporters are ALL about kindling, stoking, and feeding off controversy. That is what they do. Controversy brings eyeballs and eyeballs bring advertising revenue.

I'm sure Sally is incredibly grateful to everyone who reads, discusses, or provides links to her article.

What's the real difference between Sally and the devoted fans who support pro cycling even though they know it is a filthy cesspool?

What does that actually mean?
Do you believe that these (nameless) "devoted fans" follow the sport because its a cesspool?
And I think it is rather obvious that fans dont get to write books on a particular rider while also claiming to be a journalist.
 
howsteepisit said:
Is Jenkins an investigative journalist or a columnist? As a columnist, she would be paid to write her opinions, and by doing so to draw extra readers to the paper. Seems like she is doing her job very well indeed. If she is a investigative journalist, I'd say not so well as her analysis is shallow and incomplete.

But I continue to be amazed at the collective condemning of those who hold a differing opinion on internet forums.

Sally's not an investigative journalist . . .. She's a woman in love.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
What does that actually mean?
Do you believe that these (nameless) "devoted fans" follow the sport because its a cesspool?
And I think it is rather obvious that fans dont get to write books on a particular rider while also claiming to be a journalist.

The devoted fans follow the sport because it doesn't really matter one bit to them that it is a cesspool. They'd follow the sport even if riders took IV drug breaks in addition to nature breaks.
 

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MarkvW said:
The devoted fans follow the sport because it doesn't really matter one bit to them that it is a cesspool. They'd follow the sport even if riders took IV drug breaks in addition to nature breaks.
What a load of bull.
Not surprising that you came up with it though.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
What a load of bull.
Not surprising that you came up with it though.

It's totally true. What the heck do you think microdosing is?

IV drug use is rampant in the peloton, and the devoted fans still support their microdosers.

You've got to admit there's a bit of a double-standard being applied here. The Lance Armstrong saga pulled back the curtain and demonstrated to the world just how awful pro cycling is--in spades, doubled and redoubled. Yet the devoted fans remain.

For me, it's just a soap opera. If I took this silly sport seriously it would break my heart.
 

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MarkvW said:
It's totally true. What the heck do you think microdosing is?

IV drug use is rampant in the peloton, and the devoted fans still support their microdosers.
You are confusing fans of certain riders (who will always make excuses - as you know) as opposed to what you said about fans of the sport.
Two very different groups.

And again, how do you put them on the same level as Jenkins - a paid journalist who does not have the ability to admit that she wrote and profited from selling a lie.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
You are confusing fans of certain riders (who will always make excuses - as you know) as opposed to what you said about fans of the sport.
Two very different groups.

And again, how do you put them on the same level as Jenkins - a paid journalist who does not have the ability to admit that she wrote and profited from selling a lie.

I'm not going to defend Sally Jenkins. She's a prostitute. But watching her work, and watching her get people lathered up is plenty fun!

You want to eat the sausage, but you don't want to know how the sausage is made! But dudes! The sausage is made by people like Sally Jenkins!
 

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MarkvW said:
I'm not going to defend Sally Jenkins. She's a prostitute. But watching her work, and watching her get people lathered up is plenty fun!

You want to eat the sausage, but you don't want to know how the sausage is made! But dudes! The sausage is made by people like Sally Jenkins!


What?
I know it is often thrown around here as a cheapshot - but you obviously have had nothing to do with the sport. Thats not a putdown as everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless of ability or experience - but it is the only conclusion to to come up with such stupidity.

Cycling as a sport doesn't need people like Armstrong or the clueless like Jenkins, she doesn't even know the sport.
 
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What?
I know it is often thrown around here as a cheapshot - but you obviously have had nothing to do with the sport. Thats not a putdown as everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless of ability or experience - but it is the only conclusion to to come up with such stupidity.

Cycling as a sport doesn't need people like Armstrong or the clueless like Jenkins, she doesn't even know the sport.

The last resort of Maserati--namecalling.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
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What?
I know it is often thrown around here as a cheapshot - but you obviously have had nothing to do with the sport. Thats not a putdown as everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless of ability or experience - but it is the only conclusion to to come up with such stupidity.

Cycling as a sport doesn't need people like Armstrong or the clueless like Jenkins, she doesn't even know the sport.

Cycling, to you, is an aspiration . . . a dream. When the reality of cycling doesn't match your dream you vent against the dopers and their apologists. But why are you also venting against the plain truth that the sport is a filthy cesspool?
 

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MarkvW said:
The last resort of Maserati--namecalling.
I did not call you any name - I said your argument was stupid, and calling it that is the final resort as I have given you the opportunity (indeed, requested you) to explain what you mean.

BTW - the lack of denial in your post is noted.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
I did not call you any name - I said your argument was stupid, and calling it that is the final resort as I have given you the opportunity (indeed, requested you) to explain what you mean.

BTW - the lack of denial in your post is noted.

What do you want me to deny?
 

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MarkvW said:
What do you want me to deny?

I said it was obvious that you have had nothing to do with the sport.....
MarkvW said:
Cycling, to you, is an aspiration . . . a dream. When the reality of cycling doesn't match your dream you vent against the dopers and their apologists. But why are you also venting against the plain truth that the sport is a filthy cesspool?
Nice try - I am not venting against that, but your portrayal that 'devoted fans' (you still haven't said who they are) of the sport would follow regardless that it is a cesspool. If you were involved with the sport (at any level) you would know that is untrue.