Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[zigmeister]

Why are you aking questions that have been already answered lots of times?

Obfuscation is the name of your game.

When the USADA has themselves released statements/comments that they will release the information (even today by the end of this month) so they can "compile" the information...blah blah..

So they were going to show up to the hearings with half of the documents missing, or not turn those over to the defense, arbitration panel at the beginning as required?

Pending cases means nothing. They just don't follow up on their word when it comes to things like this. It was supposed to be a "few weeks" per one statement by the USADA over a month ago.

7 days they claim is the release date to the public and UCI...we shall see.

 

[Race Radio]

Positives tests, surprise witnesses, trafficking, coverup by UCI and USAC, intimidation, harassment,

30 times might be an understatement

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Positives tests, surprise witnesses, trafficking, coverup by UCI and USAC, intimidation, harassment,

30 times might be an understatement

Would they carry out death threats using a Sniper?

 

[mikkemus23]

Aaahh, lovvin`it

Does Lance and the UCI might play a role in Tyler and Landis`s positives?
I read that Tyler got called in by the UCI after beating Lance, and he picked up the phone to Hein...

As I read it, IIRC, they both went down for something they were sure they didn`t do...

Race Radio, you got something on this?

It`s almost as Lance didn`t want to see other Americans i yellow. Why did he hinder Big Georges chances for a little yellow.

Sorry for the bad english

 

[benzwire]

I don't think I have looked forward to the off season more than this year. There will some very interesting months to come. This will keep me entertained until the Spring Classics for sure!

 

[thirteen]

Positives tests, surprise witnesses, trafficking, coverup by UCI and USAC, intimidation, harassment,

30 times might be an understatement

which reminds me... i meant to question you on a tweet you made a few days ago:

It's 9:30 in Aspen. Do you know where your ex wife is?

 

[Benotti69]

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Should you not be out selling some yellow bracelets? You might do more good there than posting in here

 

[Fatclimber]

...It`s almost as Lance didn`t want to see other Americans i yellow. Why did he hinder Big Georges chances for a little yellow....

LA didn't want anybody stealing the spotlight from him, especially members of his own team. Period. I remember when Victor Hugo Pena wore the yellow jersey for USPS in 2003 after the TTT. Guess who was on the top step of the podium while the other 8 teammates stood below him? It wasn't the yellow jersey. It's all about Lance.

 

[Kennf1]

which reminds me... i meant to question you on a tweet you made a few days ago:

I think that was NYVelocity's tweet that was retweeted by RR. Could be mistaken.

 

[Jack Aubrey]

How can anyone be shocked to hear about death threats? There are all sorts of wackos out there on both sides of this. The FBI will probably track them down fairly quickly.

 

[thirteen]

I think that was NYVelocity's tweet that was retweeted by RR. Could be mistaken.

ah, my bad! nevermind.

 

[Mr.38%]

LA didn't want anybody stealing the spotlight from him, especially members of his own team. Period. I remember when Victor Hugo Pena wore the yellow jersey for USPS in 2003 after the TTT. Guess who was on the top step of the podium while the other 8 teammates stood below him? It wasn't the yellow jersey. It's all about Lance.

...and how the French and Belgian commentators were upset when the Yellow Jersey was ordered with ostentation to get bottles from the car during the next stage.

 

[frenchfry]

when it rains, it pours!

there will be an article in Le Monde tomorrow where the sports minister, Valérie Fourneyron, is calling for the UCI to revoke the seven tours... there is also mention of political pressure in France.

a teaser (in french):
http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...-ses-sept-tours-a-armstrong_1764341_3242.html

Valérie Fourneyron made it clear that she will be very attentive to block any attempt of political intervention. A not so subtle reference to Sarkozy?

Then again the PS (parti socialiste) is the champion of influence peddling so we might yet see Val peddling around the Bois de Vincennes on a Trek.

 

[thirteen]

Valérie Fourneyron made it clear that she will be very attentive to block any attempt of political intervention. A not so subtle reference to Sarkozy?

Then again the PS (parti socialiste) is the champion of influence peddling so we might yet see Val peddling around the Bois de Vincennes on a Trek.

lol!

for non-french speakers, CN has a good article (and background) on the news: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-sports-minister-calls-for-uci-to-uphold-armstrong-sanction

 

[Benotti69]

ah, my bad! nevermind.

it still needs explaining!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Valérie Fourneyron made it clear that she will be very attentive to block any attempt of political intervention. A not so subtle reference to Sarkozy?

Then again the PS (parti socialiste) is the champion of influence peddling so we might yet see Val peddling around the Bois de Vincennes on a Trek.

A quick political question: How did Ms. Fourneyron get the job? Is she elected, appointed or??? What authority does she have? Is she at the Federal level, or regional? I don't know that we have a similar political appointment in the U.S.

C'mon Johan, do us all a favor and make it a long, slow, public fight. Call Wonderboy in and start the perjury party because there's no way he can possibly keep all the lying straight with so much of it happening long ago.

The articles are consistent with the ASO's editorial position of following doping stories instead of breaking them. I think they have advanced information that set the publication's direction on this matter. How it plays out to the TdF executives will be interesting.

I'm late to all of this, but this is a good day. This is long overdue with the slow drip of facts absolutely crushing the myth once and for all. The sweet, sweet legal fights that should follow this will be better still.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Could it be, and this is just speculation, that the UCI had total control over everything. Even allowing the doping so that they could, at whim, create a positive on whoever they wanted, thus controlling everyone, even the winners of the races (e.g. Floyd at tour 2006, Contadar, Hamilton etc. etc...).

This view has been widely supported in this forum for a while. It's important to recognize, the sport is about average for the more rotten IOC sports. The corruption goes all the way into the IOC.

While I don't think someone is sprinkling banned substances in samples at Hein's request, I think he's got a backlog of positives, true positive or false positive he just has to pick one. Maybe he's got something a little more clever than that, but not much.

mikkemus23, this pretty much works for your post too: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1033597&postcount=807

 

[Saxo Kid]

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[frenchfry]

A quick political question: How did Ms. Fourneyron get the job? Is she elected, appointed or??? What authority does she have? Is she at the Federal level, or regional? I don't know that we have a similar political appointment in the U.S.

I'm late to all of this, but this is a good day. This is long overdue with the slow drip of facts absolutely crushing the myth once and for all.

C'mon Johan, do us all a favor and make it a long, slow, public fight.

The articles are consistent with the ASO's editorial position of following doping stories instead of breaking them. I think they have advanced information that set the publication's direction on this matter. How it plays out to the TdF executives will be interesting.

Valérie Fourneyron is the Minister of sports and youth. This is a position appointed by the French President. Interestingly enough a French minister cannot be an elected official so she had to give up her seat as a deputy in the French "assemblée" or parliament. (note: in order to give credibility to his ministers, the president Hollande made it a rule that any ministers defeated in the June 2012 legislative elections would lose their job as minister as well. Valérie Fourneyron won her seat so could remain as minister but had to give up her seat as deputée. Curiously enough, some ministers who weren't sure to be elected as deputées didn't even run, so didn't lose their place as minister) To give her credit, she has a long history of involvement in sports medicine and was largely responsable for the anti-doping law passed in 1989. I believe she will do the right thing and overide any attempt at political interference.

 

[PosterBill]

I was under the impression that LA's file would go to the UCI and be made public at the sametime..but race radio is reporting the file won't be made public until the end of the year. Does this mean we are waiting to years end for 30X worse?

 

[Race Radio]

There are a few points that l'Equipe did not get correct

USADA never expected to get Grand Jury evidence, but they did expect to get the Non-Grand Jury evidence. They got neither.

The public will not have to wait to the end of the year to see the evidence. This is not the case. We will see it very soon

This is about to get crazy

 

[Jack Aubrey]

The 30x worse is like the 500 tests - a meaningless exaggeration.

 

[JRTinMA]

I see, so the French continue their witch hunt. Still driven by jealousy.

The french urging the UCI on and ignoring Jeannie Longo, what a joke. May not make it a with hunt but french anti doping should probably stfu. She's almost as big of a fraud as LA but lucky for her nobody cares.

 

[kingjr]

The 30x worse is like the 500 tests - a meaningless exaggeration.

Glad that you say that. I was about to take "30x worse" literally

 

[TheEnoculator]

I wonder who made the death threat to Tygart. For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if it's related to Wonder Boy somehow.