Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[D-Queued]

Lance's current net worth is irrelevant.

What is relevant is how the wealth was obtained.

A material portion of that wealth came from perpetrating just two frauds: $1m Triple Crown & SCA Hole-In-One Insurance policy.

Ergo, one can conclude, Lance is a fraud.

Dave.

 

[trailrunner]

I am not sure what was unsanctioned about the San Diego race..maybe you can explain. He is supposed to only go after Ironman and above? Small elite events are below him?

Kinda humiliating for him to be shut out of mainstream races like the Chicago marathon and the WTC races he had planned to do, so he's got to go around looking for races with the same crappy ethics that he has, where money is more important than doing what's right.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Kinda humiliating for him to be shut out of mainstream races like the Chicago marathon and the WTC races he had planned to do, so he's got to go around looking for races with the same crappy ethics that he has, where money is more important than doing what's right.

Would explain his defense from certain aspects of the political system in California.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Kinda humiliating for him to be shut out of mainstream races like the Chicago marathon and the WTC races he had planned to do, so he's got to go around looking for races with the same crappy ethics that he has, where money is more important than doing what's right.

Nice to see those organizers didn't buckle and allow ******y Wonderboy to register for those races.

 

[MarkvW]

Lance's current net worth is irrelevant.

What is relevant is how the wealth was obtained.

A material portion of that wealth came from perpetrating just two frauds: $1m Triple Crown & SCA Hole-In-One Insurance policy.

Ergo, one can conclude, Lance is a fraud.

Dave.

Behind every great fortune there is a crime.

 

[Tinman]

Behind every great fortune there is a crime.

Another troll line after a good poster contribution. The key issue is indeed HOW the wealth was obtained. Based on deceipt and unlawful means or based on Lance Armstrong brand equity that was cleanly built?

Brand equity can be valued in $$$. And Lance's brand equity worth, as Livestrong's, can relatively easily be shown to HAVE BEEN BUILT on publicity generated by race wins and subsequent media attention. THAT is the issue, not his current nice gestures to cancer victims. They only further aid the cause for "locked in" popular polarisation that camp LA and Demand Media is trying to achieve now. Which is another topic...

 

[MarkvW]

Another troll line after a good poster contribution. The key issue is indeed HOW the wealth was obtained. Based on deceipt and unlawful means or based on Lance Armstrong brand equity that was cleanly built?

Brand equity can be valued in $$$. And Lance's brand equity worth, as Livestrong's, can relatively easily be shown to HAVE BEEN BUILT on publicity generated by race wins and subsequent media attention. THAT is the issue, not his current nice gestures to cancer victims. They only further aid the cause for "locked in" popular polarisation that camp LA and Demand Media is trying to achieve now. Which is another topic...

Balzac, you (person who is trying to bait me into an insult).

 

[Tinman]

Balzac, you (person who is trying to bait me into an insult).

Quite a deep compliment coming from you? From Wiki on Balzac, as I had to look him up for specifics:

" Due to his keen observation of detail and unfiltered representation of society, Balzac is regarded as one of the founders of realism in European literature"

or maybe you meant the dutch slang equivalent of where Pelota belongs?

A decent contribution to the discussion is all I'm after. Way too much trolling here as is. And apologies if you are decent, it's hard to pick the real trolls sometimes, particularly for the newbs like me...

 

[mastersracer]

How's those science reports going that smoking is more healthy and less toxic than pollution going? (I still have those posts if you want me to show them to you again!) - its ok I won't embarrass you.

Sorry back to you post. You've proved my very point - (again).

Madoff is wealthy. Filthy rich. His family still lives in prestige (check out his wife). But look at them. Such as sad sad story.

A little like Lance. What does 125m mean? When he's doing rural Tri's with total Fred's and talking with provincial blogs!

He's a loser and no amount of money will change that.


PS I suggest you read the Madoff story in full. You obviously know little about it.

Perhaps You should check out his wife, who had to move in with her sister after their penthouse was seized, along with most of their assets. She then had to move into her son's house. Here's a pic of her taking out the trash - http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ruth_madoff_trashy_new_life_e6f0s1Hvclvjqp82WW5clJ. Madoff is not filthy rich. His assets - down to his watches - have been seized.

Your posts appear to be desperate attempts to appear as though you are connected to the Armstrong case. You make up stories, such as Hincapie's confession, pass off news stories as breaking news as your own, and distort most of the claims others make here. WRT the tobacco statement, I said Wiggins smoking a SINGLE cigarette was less unhealthy than exposure to urban pollution and many of the environmental pollutants riders are exposed to. That was only in response to your facile attempt to claim it was evidence of his PED use as self-medicating to escape himself...

If Armstrong is not well positioned financially, the cause would be financial mismanagement and have little to do with the case against him (unless he is preemptively trying to hide assets).

 

[pelodee]

Mark Fabiani, Armstrong’s spokesman, said Armstrong was not worried about the release of the report.

“This is all the same, old, worn-out stuff that Usada and others have been peddling for years and that almost everyone has already made up their minds about,” Fabiani said Sunday in an e-mail.

New York Times, October 7, 2012

For how many years have USADA been 'peddling' this?

 

[Tinman]

Mark Fabiani, "the master of disaster", specialist in crisis management, recent project to help Goldman Sachs in their SEC fraud/complicity in USA housing crisis.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/may/01/the-master-of-disaster-helps-goldman-sachs/

"Fabiani has a history of taming crises and bolstering public images."

And his PR partner Lehane worked for Marion Jones. Go figure...

Latest strategy appears about repositioning any doping associations on Lance as "old news that people have already decided on". Ie. no need to change your mind, no need to even read this stuff, same old story, same old Lance you already love, the one who works for cancer.

A defensive polarization play to retain and further build loyalty with the Livestrong target audience that has supported the brand to date...

Which is why these current triathlon appearances and their media coverage are so important for Lance & Livestrong...

 

[Tinman]

And his PR partner Lehane worked for Marion Jones. Go figure...

and just found this fascinating article...Substitute "Marion Jones" with "Lance Armstrong" and what do you get...?! What we are seeing now and what we are likely to see in the coming 12 months. Tygart knows, he's been there...

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/trackandfield/columns/story?columnist=fainaru_wada_mark&id=3280162

 

[ebandit]

here we go

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-report-contains-the-same-old-worn-out-stuff-armstrong-spokesman

here we go..............usual meaningless statement from fabiani

as though he knows what is contained in the usada report?

wonder if his tired pr spin will be the same after more facts from the report hit the public domain?

 

[thehog]

and just found this fascinating article...Substitute "Marion Jones" with "Lance Armstrong" and what do you get...?! What we are seeing now and what we are likely to see in the coming 12 months. Tygart knows, he's been there...

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/trackandfield/columns/story?columnist=fainaru_wada_mark&id=3280162

The similarities are staggering.

On June 16, Jones held a news conference in San Francisco, denouncing USADA as a "kangaroo court" and repeating her denials that she had ever used banned substances. Burton said, "USADA can run but it can't hide."

In addition to Burton, Team Jones was being directed by Chris Lehane and Mark Fabiani, a pair of political operatives who are said to earn up to $100,000 per month as the ultimate crisis communications team. Among his string of messy cases, Lehane, aka "The Master of Disaster," guided Bill Clinton through the Monica Lewinsky debacle.

"Every public representation we have ever made on behalf of any client has been made with the belief and understanding that it was accurate," Lehane wrote in a recent e-mail to ESPN. Of Jones, he said, there was a feeling she was being unfairly targeted and, thus, an aggressive posture seemed appropriate.

Lehane's group used its Washington pull to bring heat on USADA, tried to learn as much as possible about the organization's top officials and suggested that, because the organization received government funding, Congress should investigate its conduct. Ultimately, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., was persuaded to call for a probe of the anti-doping agency, though the inquiry never got off the ground.

 

[Bosco10]

Marion Jones is a way slick liar.. slicker than Lance. Watch her Youtubes. She could have won an Oscar.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Marion Jones is a way slick liar.. slicker than Lance. Watch her Youtubes. She could have won an Oscar.

Ice cold she was. It was a masterclass in fabrication with just the right pinch of sincerity.

But the message was Lance Armstrong 1.0, no question. Kangaroo court indeed.

 

[hughmoore]

Have the lies about Lance been released yet?

Good to see he is still out there competing.



Hugh

 

[Tinman]

Lance's latest spin master is Mark Fabiani, "the master of disaster", specialist in crisis management, recently worked on a project to help Goldman Sachs in their SEC fraud/complicity in USA housing crisis.

"Fabiani has a history of taming crises and bolstering public images."

The latest spin strategy appears to be about repositioning any doping associations on Lance as "old news that people have already decided on". Ie. no need to change your mind, no need to even read this stuff, same old story, same old Lance you already love, the one who works for cancer.

A defensive polarization play to retain and further build loyalty with the Livestrong target audience that has supported the brand to date...

Which is why these current triathlon appearances and their media coverage are so important for Lance & Livestrong...

Fabiani's PR partner Lehane worked for Marion Jones.

and just found this fascinating article...Substitute "Marion Jones" with "Lance Armstrong" and what do you get...?! What we are seeing being played out on the media now and what we are likely to see in the coming 12 months. Tygart knows, he's been there...

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/trackandfield/columns/story?columnist=fainaru_wada_mark&id=3280162

 

[fatandfast]

Have the lies about Lance been released yet?

Good to see he is still out there competing.



Hugh

Lance says that he has moved on, that he doesn't want to talk about the past. Yet he pays an exclusive lawyer to further ..not..kinda comment on the past? He is still competing and not just doing triathlon.

Once the UCI makes a determination on his fate, he will have to move on. What kind of dirt Lance has on Pat and Hinney is probably going to influence how they react.. If Armstrong follows suit and finds the weight of his circumstance to great to bear like all the others so far, if and when he tells his story any variation on the "gift(s)" he gave to the UCI could be criminal.
Will Pat hold the line?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

The latest spin strategy appears to be about repositioning any doping associations on Lance as "old news that people have already decided on". Ie. no need to change your mind, no need to even read this stuff, same old story, same old Lance you already love, the one who works for cancer.

nostalgia for a certain ex-poster here who loved the acronym SSDD.

 

[Cloxxki]

Will a UCI ruling possibly have in included clause that his 1998> results may not be used as part of his self promotion, at the cost of a fine? Please?

UCI is bad at tackling issues before the fact, even if you warn them, I got to see that first hand.

So, if they take the wins, let's make sure they can't claim them (in)formally anymore. they're not his to claim.
I'd like to also have a similar provision for his never tested positive. It's a lie. He did. The TUE doesn't make it less positive. They samples being ancient, doesn't make them less positive. and they're not 500 unless he answers to USADA formal question to substantiate the tally.

 

[fatandfast]

Will a UCI ruling possibly have in included clause that his 1998> results may not be used as part of his self promotion, at the cost of a fine? Please?

UCI is bad at tackling issues before the fact, even if you warn them, I got to see that first hand.

So, if they take the wins, let's make sure they can't claim them (in)formally anymore. they're not his to claim.
I'd like to also have a similar provision for his never tested positive. It's a lie. He did. The TUE doesn't make it less positive. They samples being ancient, doesn't make them less positive. and they're not 500 unless he answers to USADA formal question to substantiate the tally.

I like your theory and would like to see it play out.Take away from Armstrong and give to the next best racer that can have 16 years of blood samples tested and approved by the USADA standard. Can't wait to see who wears yellow

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Kinda humiliating for him to be shut out of mainstream races like the Chicago marathon and the WTC races he had planned to do, so he's got to go around looking for races with the same crappy ethics that he has, where money is more important than doing what's right.

If I had any stroke I would beg my Home Town Marathon to bring him in! I would love to show him up on training run!

It is a shame his Ped's were no help for the Marathon. In the end you still need to log the miles.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Got a link?

Armstrong brand so strong it aint in any shops and there are no advertising in the media with his face or name on it for the products sponsoring him.

I guess all those sponsors were so happy not see their name on him in that Tri

I guess that Weisel is took a big dollar chunk of Armstrongs a$$ all these years and is the guy holding Armstrong's head above water for the moment, but wont be long before he lets him sink.

You must NOT shop at any sporting goods stores. I see the stuff every time I go into a local sporting store or running shop. It is all still overpriced and people feel compelled to get them some yellow and black gear with livestrong stamped on it.

 

[Benotti69]

You must NOT shop at any sporting goods stores. I see the stuff every time I go into a local sporting store or running shop. It is all still overpriced and people feel compelled to get them some yellow and black gear with livestrong stamped on it.

I guess with the depths of your fanboyism you see it in your sleep.