Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[Semper Fidelis]

I guess with the depths of your fanboyism you see it in your sleep.

Felt like trolling me and throwing out an insult hu? Cmon-man you should be able to attack me better than that.
It is a shame you don't admit that the statement you made was incorrect.

http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/s...l&N=0&storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1

http://www.sportchek.ca/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=livestrong&origkw=livestrong&sr=1

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brow.../LIVESTRONG%AE+LS10E+Elliptical.jsp?locale=en

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=4417730

Running specific shops such as phidippidesfootwear , fleet feet, lukes locker have this stuff in their stores.

All this after USADA banninated him.

For you to make the statement that "it aint in any shops" is wrong.

ok back to calling me a fanboy to pointing out to you that you was wrong, all is well.

 

[mastersracer]

+1 - Armstrong got a hero's welcome at the Rev3 Tri yesterday. They had a spike in registration (up 30% after his participation was announced), volunteers, and crowds. An event the evening before featuring a panel with Armstrong was sold out.

He's guilty of everything USADA charges him of, but a core of supporters don't care.

Oh, and the Hog's big news about Hincapie confessing. He spent the weekend making some $ off of hosting a bunch of fat CEOs. No confession in sight.

 

[Benotti69]

fanboy.........that ..... was wrong, all is well.

all is well.

 

[thehog]

Perhaps You should check out his wife, who had to move in with her sister after their penthouse was seized, along with most of their assets. She then had to move into her son's house. Here's a pic of her taking out the trash - http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ruth_madoff_trashy_new_life_e6f0s1Hvclvjqp82WW5clJ. Madoff is not filthy rich. His assets - down to his watches - have been seized.

Your posts appear to be desperate attempts to appear as though you are connected to the Armstrong case. You make up stories, such as Hincapie's confession, pass off news stories as breaking news as your own, and distort most of the claims others make here. WRT the tobacco statement, I said Wiggins smoking a SINGLE cigarette was less unhealthy than exposure to urban pollution and many of the environmental pollutants riders are exposed to. That was only in response to your facile attempt to claim it was evidence of his PED use as self-medicating to escape himself...

If Armstrong is not well positioned financially, the cause would be financial mismanagement and have little to do with the case against him (unless he is preemptively trying to hide assets).

Sadly you're playing the man not the ball. This is not about me.

I know you're hurt by the smoking/pollution sham. I would be embarrassed as well trying to justify smoking as healthy - (can I please reprint those posts?)

Sometimes in life explanations don't fit neatly into peer reviewed science reports and links.

Alas you missed my point in regards to Armstrong. Monetary value means very little. Its the value that one has in themselves in not measured in dollars. Nor is how people see you and how they value you.

I know you want everything to be black and white and to have a numbered value but real life doesn't work like that.

In regards to Madoff. Yes remaining family is very poor. If you find the missing 20 billion can you let us know? (If you get a chance pop down to Old Greenwich and say high to the family. Its not a wealthy town - houses are very small!)

 

[Semper Fidelis]

all is well.

Great work troll. Back to your basement.

 

[D-Queued]

all is well.

I guess I am lost here.

Glenn is right.

To be honest, I was happy when I walked into my LBS Saturday and saw all of the Livestrong branded stuff at 50% off.

Not happy to see it there, but happy to see...

Fire sale.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

+1 - Armstrong got a hero's welcome at the Rev3 Tri yesterday. They had a spike in registration (up 30% after his participation was announced),

The "30%" increase was just a talking point, not based on fact. they had 17 more participants then last year. That is a less then 10% increase.

Fail

 

[D-Queued]

The "30%" increase was just a talking point, not based on fact. they had 17 more participants then last year. That is a less then 10% increase.

Fail

Less that 200. That Lance really draws a crowd.

Dave.

 

[mr. tibbs]

Lololol from CN's homepage:

The blood date is “no evidence at all,” [Fabiani] said, adding, “The rules are clear to everyone but USADA: You either pass a drug test, or you fail it. There is no in between. Lance Armstrong has passed every test ever given to him, including every test administered during the 2009 Tour de France.”

Go-go gadget Fabiani! This stuff is absurdly transparent.

The off-topic stuff about Madoff is also a bit silly.

And I'd like to know how many of those late registrants for the tri were just late registrants. This isn't to say that Armstrong isn't still very popular with some people, but I bet the registration spike as the event neared wasn't all related to his registration. Just people being people.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The "30%" increase was just a talking point, not based on fact. they had 17 more participants then last year. That is a less then 10% increase.

Fail

While I agree it's an epic fail for the triathlon itself, this particular event was done on a for-hire basis. The charity bankrolled all of it.

It's clear the actual tri did not get any bump, maybe some associated fund-raising did? I don't know either way. But this is one of those murky fundraising schemes that's quite complicated and only the charity knows what they made.

I'm not questioning the charity's mission, but the complicated fundraising method that's quite popular because it gives them a way to disguise what money is being used for what purpose and wrapping it all inside "good deeds."

 

[TheEnoculator]

Go-go gadget Fabiani! This stuff is absurdly transparent.

This shows Fabiani knows jack-all about blood doping. Pretty dumb for a lawyer.

 

[perfessor]

This shows Fabiani knows jack-all about blood doping. Pretty dumb for a lawyer.

No, Fabiani knows a lot about spin, and damage control, facts aren't important. He doesn't make that kind of money being dumb.

 

[Robert21]

Regarding what Ashenden is saying. This graph, which circulated the internet in late 2009 and which was based on the figures Armstrong published (and them withdrew) clearly illustrates what he was up to in the 2009 Tour.

 

[Robert21]

Here's the original data:

 

[mastersracer]

While I agree it's an epic fail for the triathlon itself, this particular event was done on a for-hire basis. The charity bankrolled all of it.

It's clear the actual tri did not get any bump, maybe some associated fund-raising did? I don't know either way. But this is one of those murky fundraising schemes that's quite complicated and only the charity knows what they made.

I'm not questioning the charity's mission, but the complicated fundraising method that's quite popular because it gives them a way to disguise what money is being used for what purpose and wrapping it all inside "good deeds."

The organizer said there were close to 1,000 participants in all categories, and that 300 signed up after Armstrong's announced participation, that additional sponsors signed on, and that more volunteers signed on. He also stated that the addition of an Armstrong talk/auction the evening before resulted in $30k raised (someone paid $5k for a signed jersey). Point is, there are a significant number of people who will be believers and simply discount evidence against him.

Armstrong is now scheduled to talk at Ideas Week in Chicago. According to his booking agent, Armstrong's speaker fee is over $200k (puts him in the league of Tony Blair, Bono,etc). If he is not financially well-positioned, the reasons would have little to do with the USADA case against him.

 

[D-Queued]

Here's the original data:

(chart)

I know that we likely have a whole thread on this somewhere.

The shift in values between the end of May and mid-June, followed by the extremely low and stable Retic scores would seem odd from a lay person's view.

The seven point jump in HCT is impressive along with the halving of Retic's, as are the radical swings in OFF-score and the two z-scores.

Someone who is more of an expert could perhaps explain whether the drop and the much more 'stable' Retic readings are indicative of the use of 'speed' bags.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

Did someone say Bono?

 

[fatandfast]

While I agree it's an epic fail for the triathlon itself, this particular event was done on a for-hire basis. The charity bankrolled all of it.

It's clear the actual tri did not get any bump, maybe some associated fund-raising did? I don't know either way. But this is one of those murky fundraising schemes that's quite complicated and only the charity knows what they made.

I'm not questioning the charity's mission, but the complicated fundraising method that's quite popular because it gives them a way to disguise what money is being used for what purpose and wrapping it all inside "good deeds."

You have never raised funds.period..
The more you guys write about fund raising reveals how little people really know about it. Most bike clubs,10k runs,charity walks are done under the umbrella of some kind of 501 organization. If you look at the pre and post revenue statements the list of expenses can register as sinister or somehow disguised or murky or whatever words you choose,but it's standard issue, from little leagues,girl scouts and everybody in between..
Most charity mission statements that say 100% of the money goes to the cause still really mean after some expenses are paid for.
I have done Superweek,Redlands,Alt,Bisbee,all of them done under the financial supervision of a non profit . simply the way all US bike clubs,Tri clubs are run. One of the huge advantages Armstrong has is available data like that is posted here.."not 17% only 10!!" "wrapped in good deeds,wink,snicker"
As long as the is an audience of people who are not hyper jaded this type of talk makes him look that much better. If he spent his own money to fly,eat and

stay there he can show that he gave away 50,000 dollars worth of Lance for free to the needy,while haters try,unsuccessfully try and pick his good deed apart. When 60 Minutes interviews him and asks "what have you been doing since you got convicted of doping ?" and he starts in with SD,Baltimore,Denver, NY with still photos of glad hands and video of happy people the haters will have played right into his hands. The same hands that control the flow of a micro dose or helpful drip. His unsmear team probably screen captures all these graphs and comments to further demonstrate that he can never get a fair shake.

http://www.crca.net

http://www.lagrange.org

all the USAcycling teams

it is everywhere if you just look past the murkiness

http://www.girlscouts.org

all of them 501(c)(3)

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The organizer said there were close to 1,000 participants in all categories, and that 300 signed up after Armstrong's announced participation, that additional sponsors signed on, and that more volunteers signed on. He also stated that the addition of an Armstrong talk/auction the evening before resulted in $30k raised (someone paid $5k for a signed jersey). Point is, there are a significant number of people who will be believers and simply discount evidence against him.

Armstrong is now scheduled to talk at Ideas Week in Chicago. According to his booking agent, Armstrong's speaker fee is over $200k (puts him in the league of Tony Blair, Bono,etc). If he is not financially well-positioned, the reasons would have little to do with the USADA case against him.

Close to 1,000 participants - so they didn't even manage the 1,200 they were hoping for back in January?

According to Charlie Patten, president of Rev3, formally partnering with UCF and donating the company’s time and services just felt like the right thing to do. Patten said he believes Rev3 can help increase participation in the Half Full from current levels of 700-800 to over 1,200 in 2012.

 

[Race Radio]

The organizer said there were close to 1,000 participants in all categories, and that 300 signed up after Armstrong's announced participation, that additional sponsors signed on, and that more volunteers signed on. He also stated that the addition of an Armstrong talk/auction the evening before resulted in $30k raised (someone paid $5k for a signed jersey). Point is, there are a significant number of people who will be believers and simply discount evidence against him.

Armstrong is now scheduled to talk at Ideas Week in Chicago. According to his booking agent, Armstrong's speaker fee is over $200k (puts him in the league of Tony Blair, Bono,etc). If he is not financially well-positioned, the reasons would have little to do with the USADA case against him.

Link? ......or did you just make it up?

His speaking fee WAS $200k......now, not so much. Soon it will be shopping malls and car dealerships.

 

[thehog]

Link? ......or did you just make it up?

His speaking fee WAS $200k......now, not so much. Soon it will be shopping malls and car dealerships.

Once the reasoned decision is made public in November then even suburban shopping malls will think twice.

To the non-cycling fan many are still 50/50 on what went down. Some think USADA are the kangaroo court he claims they are.

People getting excited about back water tri's etc. are dreaming that nothing has changed.

 

[skk6691]

A very reputable Australian current affairs show, 4 Corners will be doing a comprehensive report into the 'breathtaking and wide spread doping scandal' involving Lance Armstrong on Monday 15/10 http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/.
It would have to involve major criminal activity before 4 corners would do a report into doping in sports.

 

[Bosco10]

Ice cold she was. It was a masterclass in fabrication with just the right pinch of sincerity.

But the message was Lance Armstrong 1.0, no question. Kangaroo court indeed.

After all these years, Marion Jones still hasn't come clean with the complete truth. She claims she never knowingly used PED's, that she was essentially an innocent lamb, misled by her coach who said the drugs were flaxseed oil. Marion is just another bogus athlete. A pathological liar who now gives "inspirational" speeches to the kiddies. Maybe she inspires Lance.

 

[thirteen]

so what is the whopper that has twitter all aflitter?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Here's the original data:

LA: 6 race-specific blood values - 3rd at the Tour 2009 - Days as leader: 0

RH: 5 race-specific blood values - 1st at the Giro 2012 - Days as leader: 5

I would say the riders are more sophisticated at doping, and the race organisers are more sophisticated as to when they do their tests.