Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[wirral]

Lance states that his conscious is clear; that is the definition of a sociopath, they do not have a conscious

conscience

 

[TourOfSardinia]

L'Alpe d'Huez hairpin name?

From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez#Tour_de_France

The hairpin bends are named after the winners of stages. All hairpins had been named by the 22nd climb in 2001 so naming restarted at the bottom with Lance Armstrong's name added to Coppi's.

Can this accolade to be stripped from Lance too?

 

[runninboy]

"I don’t care. Honestly. And I mean that."

- What I really mean there was a time I was speaking with Vanity Fair & racing world class events. Now I'm talking to unknown publications & running around with total Fred's...

Hilarious! reminds me of that famous Spinal Tap quote

Marty: The last time Tap toured America, they where, uh, booked into
10,000 seat arenas, and 15,000 seat venues, and it seems that now,
on their current tour they’re being booked into 1,200 seat
arenas, 1,500 seat arenas, and uh I was just wondering,
does this mean uh…the popularity of the group is waning?

Ian: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no…no, no, not at all. I, I, I just think
that the.. uh.. their appeal is becoming more selective.

 

[86TDFWinner]

If Lance really is a sociopath, as you hard-core haters believe, he'll have no problem changing tracks and trying to make money off of his "redemption."

The Rise-Fall-Redemption Storyline is Lance's fate. He cannot escape it.

What is this "if" stuff, he IS a sociopath(amongst other things).

 

[86TDFWinner]

First, no innocent person would EVER say, "let's move on." An innocent person fights tooth and nail until the day he dies to clear his name of any horrible accusations, no matter how long it takes.

This. Something the fanboys cannot seem to comprehend.

Second, if I could use the same argument, I could go sell drugs to kids and later on said to the cops, "why live in the past? Let's move on."

Lol, right.

What a piece of human trash. He truly doesn't deserve any of his "wins".

One of the best things said here....ever

 

[Cloxxki]

From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez#Tour_de_France

Can this accolade to be stripped from Lance too?

True fans of clean cycling can make a point of sprinkling the Armstrong corner with more of their personal yellow (drop the weight) to show their true respect of the great champion. Won't be long before the corners is awarded an asterisk.

 

[Velodude]

We're nowhere near the Oprah moment yet. Everything has to settle down, and Lance has to convince himself that self-abasement is to his economic advantage.

If Lance really is a sociopath, as you hard-core haters believe, he'll have no problem changing tracks and trying to make money off of his "redemption."

The Rise-Fall-Redemption Storyline is Lance's fate. He cannot escape it.

By your forum language over recent months I would have picked you as a I-have-now-seen-the-light hard core LA hater.

Correct or mis-interpretation?

 

[thehog]

True fans of clean cycling can make a point of sprinkling the Armstrong corner with more of their personal yellow (drop the weight) to show their true respect of the great champion. Won't be long before the corners is awarded an asterisk.

I think many who don't really understand the process think he's been done over by USADA the kangaroo court.

Give it time. When the evidence arrives in November most will just disappear.

 

[Pazuzu]

So Armstrong still uses that "let's move on" argument.

Reminds me of a certain baseball player's tortured testimoney in front of Congress a few years back:
http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/01/im_not_here_to_talk_about_the.html

Although, to his credit, McGuire came clean a few years after this debacle and can now stand tall. Would that Armstrong do the same.

 

[hfer07]

"I don’t care. Honestly. And I mean that."

- What I really mean there was a time I was speaking with Vanity Fair & racing world class events. Now I'm talking to unknown publications & running around with total Fred's. Life is crap. But if I say I don't care then maybe you think I don't. I admit that I am a loser & a fake.

...and that my current girlfriend hates my *** now, but will hang till the well runs dry. But I really don't care.

....oh, yeah...and my Wisconsin based sponsor is about ready to launch WW3 on my *** too, but I really don't care. I really don't.

....and since I ran off at the mouth a little with ex-postal team mates about my sweet deal with the UCI, they will leave me hanging, and maybe even try 'Floyding' me. I don't care.

And nor do the Livestrong donors......

Lance doesn't care -Pat doesn't care - neither Heins does -I mean - the entire cycling mafia doesn't care at all -even with the upcoming lawsuits coming and going .........no worries-let's move on .........

 

[thehog]

Lance doesn't care -Pat doesn't care - neither Heins does -I mean - the entire cycling mafia doesn't care at all -even with the upcoming lawsuits coming and going .........no worries-let's move on .........

I actually agree the UCI doesn't care. Despite the Armstrong downfall a lot of people made good money.

Same with Sky and same with the next winner from an Anglo country.

Just ride the doping storms and the money keeps coming in.

 

[TheEnoculator]

Lance states that his conscious is clear; that is the definition of a sociopath, they do not have a conscious

Of course he said his conscience was clear. Everyone in the peloton was doping, so in his sick twisted mind he thinks he's not cheating by doing the same. To him, it's like he's drinking a better type of electrolyte than others. The fact that he beat all of them also means he trained harder than anyone else, on top of the drugs.

Armstrong is not a sociopath. He's just a piece of lowlife waste of skin who deserves to be in jail for all the criminal acts he committed.

 

[Jalina]

There's always lots of talk of Lance being a sociopath and/or a narcissist. Does anyone else think it a possibility that when he finally realises it's all over, that it's all gone, that his "legacy" is nothing more than that of a doping cheat (and he seems nowhere near that point yet) he may committ the ultimate act of the sociopath and martyr himself in the most final way? This is an honest question, I don't think it is out of the bounds of possibility.

And to be clear, I'd never wish this path on anyone's family, or on any individual, even Lance.

 

[TheEnoculator]

There's always lots of talk of Lance being a sociopath and/or a narcissist. Does anyone else think it a possibility that when he finally realises it's all over, that it's all gone, that his "legacy" is nothing more than that of a doping cheat (and he seems nowhere near that point yet) he may committ the ultimate act of the sociopath and martyr himself in the most final way? This is an honest question, I don't think it is out of the bounds of possibility.

And to be clear, I'd never wish this path on anyone's family, or on any individual, even Lance.

From the way he's been talking lately, I'd say yes, he is realizing that his past has finally caught up with him. He's trying to turn himself into a martyr, like you said, but he doesn't deserve to be a martyr. He destroyed cycling in the most unimaginable way. Cycling was already a dirty sport before he came on, he turned it into Mexican-style drug cartel that cycling became a joke of all WADA-governed sports. He needs to be crucified to amend for the wrongs that he did. It's only fitting.

I feel bad for his kids (not so much his current partner as I'm sure she knows something), that they have a fraud for a father. Some role model he is, eh?

 

[Pazuzu]

There's always lots of talk of Lance being a sociopath and/or a narcissist. Does anyone else think it a possibility that when he finally realises it's all over, that it's all gone, that his "legacy" is nothing more than that of a doping cheat (and he seems nowhere near that point yet) he may committ the ultimate act of the sociopath and martyr himself in the most final way? This is an honest question, I don't think it is out of the bounds of possibility.

Not a chance. He'll be one of those a-holes who'll use every medical intervention to live as long as he possibly can.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

There's always lots of talk of Lance being a sociopath and/or a narcissist. Does anyone else think it a possibility that when he finally realises it's all over, that it's all gone, that his "legacy" is nothing more than that of a doping cheat (and he seems nowhere near that point yet) he may committ the ultimate act of the sociopath and martyr himself in the most final way? This is an honest question, I don't think it is out of the bounds of possibility.

And to be clear, I'd never wish this path on anyone's family, or on any individual, even Lance.

Only if he receives an extended, non-paroled jail term - ie unlikely.

 

[Page Mill Masochist]

There's always lots of talk of Lance being a sociopath and/or a narcissist. Does anyone else think it a possibility that when he finally realises it's all over, that it's all gone, that his "legacy" is nothing more than that of a doping cheat (and he seems nowhere near that point yet) he may committ the ultimate act of the sociopath and martyr himself in the most final way? This is an honest question, I don't think it is out of the bounds of possibility.

And to be clear, I'd never wish this path on anyone's family, or on any individual, even Lance.

Armstrong does not want to be a martyr. He hopes to be like Bill Clinton, who has repaired his image quite nicely with various global do-gooder initiatives. I'm sure that Mark Fabiani, who worked with Clinton and now works with Armstrong, talks about the Clinton model of image rehabilitation to Armstrong every time they speak.

But the Clinton comparison is false at its core. Clinton's sins were peripheral to his career, evidence of nothing more than weak flesh, and thus forgivable. Armstrong, however, had no pro cycling career of note, no TdF wins, no millions, no private jets, no Aspen house, no celebrity friends, without his cheating. Take away the cheating and there is nothing left.

 

[thehog]

Armstrong does not want to be a martyr. He hopes to be like Bill Clinton, who has repaired his image quite nicely with various global do-gooder initiatives. I'm sure that Mark Fabiani, who worked with Clinton and now works with Armstrong, talks about the Clinton model of image rehabilitation to Armstrong every time they speak.

But the Clinton comparison is false at its core. Clinton's sins were peripheral to his career, evidence of nothing more than weak flesh, and thus forgivable. Armstrong, however, had no pro cycling career of note, no TdF wins, no millions, no private jets, no Aspen house, no celebrity friends, without his cheating. Take away the cheating and there is nothing left.

Well stated.

Soon enough people will see that when given a second chance at life then learn the way he chose to use that chance.

He's an addict. Still is. I fear for his future. It's not pretty.

 

[Benotti69]

Armstrong does not want to be a martyr. He hopes to be like Bill Clinton, who has repaired his image quite nicely with various global do-gooder initiatives. I'm sure that Mark Fabiani, who worked with Clinton and now works with Armstrong, talks about the Clinton model of image rehabilitation to Armstrong every time they speak.

But the Clinton comparison is false at its core. Clinton's sins were peripheral to his career, evidence of nothing more than weak flesh, and thus forgivable. Armstrong, however, had no pro cycling career of note, no TdF wins, no millions, no private jets, no Aspen house, no celebrity friends, without his cheating. Take away the cheating and there is nothing left.

When the money runs out he will have nothing, but till the lawsuits kick in, that is all he has and it will be cruciating watching it all slip through his fingers to the lawyers who kept his a$$ safe.

Bet the Liestrong directors are putting plans in place to dump him too as soon as he becomes a liability. Wonder are they cooking the books to their own little offshore accounts

 

[Briant_Gumble]

There's always lots of talk of Lance being a sociopath and/or a narcissist. Does anyone else think it a possibility that when he finally realises it's all over, that it's all gone, that his "legacy" is nothing more than that of a doping cheat (and he seems nowhere near that point yet) he may committ the ultimate act of the sociopath and martyr himself in the most final way? This is an honest question, I don't think it is out of the bounds of possibility.

And to be clear, I'd never wish this path on anyone's family, or on any individual, even Lance.

The term Martyr implies that he would die for some kind of political cause, I don't know what cause he would be dying for beyond USADA are evil for doing their job and dope should be allowed in sports.

I think he could well go the way of many professional wrestler's and similar to Marco Pantani. Not so much an outright suicide but a general apathy towards Life that he doesn't really care if he overdoses, drugs are soon going to be the only way he can feel good.

 

[zigmeister]

There are some clowns at wiki who erased the DQ´s. Can someone with access correct this. Thanks in advance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Lance_Armstrong

Who cares what Wiki says?!?! Even the creator says it is an unreliable piece of garbage system.

 

[Jalina]

The term Martyr implies that he would die for some kind of political cause, I don't know what cause he would be dying for beyond USADA are evil for doing their job and dope should be allowed in sports.

I think he could well go the way of many professional wrestler's and similar to Marco Pantani. Not so much an outright suicide but a general apathy towards Lance that he doesn't really care if he overdoses, drugs are soon going to be the only way he can feel good.

These are the reasons I think it's a possibilty. And what I'm putting forward is how things are viewed in Lanceland, not how any rational, clear thinking person would see the situation.

It doesn't have to be political. The martry is someone that dies after being persecuted and refusing to denounce or accept beliefs.
In Lanceland, Lance has been persecuted, hunted. He believes he did no wrong. He will not denounce this belief. For him to die for the "cause" (basically himself), he would see it as martyrdom. Add to this the sociopath element. The sociopath will suicide for different reasons than others do. The sociopath does not see it as a loss, they see it as a win. Their final way to win, to take away the options of others. The sociopath sees suicide as their victory, their ultimate control when they no longer have control over any elements of their life. Once it's all gone... the money, the fame, the control, when not one person still "believes in miracles", I wonder what options he will believe he has have left?

I'm not saying this is likely, and I would never, ever wish this on his children or his mother, but I also wouldn't be particularly shocked if it happened.

Mods, I don't know if this is crossing into a no-go discussion area, if it is, feel free to delete.

 

[fatandfast]

When the money runs out he will have nothing, but till the lawsuits kick in, that is all he has and it will be cruciating watching it all slip through his fingers to the lawyers who kept his a$$ safe.

Bet the Liestrong directors are putting plans in place to dump him too as soon as he becomes a liability. Wonder are they cooking the books to their own little offshore accounts

Dude are you on earth?? Armstrong is worth $125,000,000 dollars..so far. any eyer olls should be reserved for your lack of understanding how much loot this guy gets for doing the things he does. Not unlike Charlie Sheen people will pay huge sums at different points during the train wreck. Armstrong's brand is still very strong and worth millions in the future. Once he works out the Barry Bonds type of angle, about receiving treatment and substances that he didn't know about he will continue to load his money into dump trucks with a bit of consternation.

I am humored by the head to head w Landis or Hamilton or even Lemond. Armstrong keeps that amount of cash in his ashtray.Lance's pool man makes more than Landis.

 

[wirral]

Dude are you on earth?? Armstrong is worth $125,000,000 dollars..so far. any eyer olls should be reserved for your lack of understanding how much loot this guy gets for doing the things he does. Not unlike Charlie Sheen people will pay huge sums at different points during the train wreck. Armstrong's brand is still very strong and worth millions in the future. Once he works out the Barry Bonds type of angle, about receiving treatment and substances that he didn't know about he will continue to load his money into dump trucks with a bit of consternation.

I am humored by the head to head w Landis or Hamilton or even Lemond. Armstrong keeps that amount of cash in his ashtray.Lance's pool man makes more than Landis.

I suggest he keeps it well hidden then.

 

[Benotti69]

Dude are you on earth?? Armstrong is worth $125,000,000 dollars..so far. any eyer olls should be reserved for your lack of understanding how much loot this guy gets for doing the things he does. Not unlike Charlie Sheen people will pay huge sums at different points during the train wreck. Armstrong's brand is still very strong and worth millions in the future. Once he works out the Barry Bonds type of angle, about receiving treatment and substances that he didn't know about he will continue to load his money into dump trucks with a bit of consternation.

I am humored by the head to head w Landis or Hamilton or even Lemond. Armstrong keeps that amount of cash in his ashtray.Lance's pool man makes more than Landis.

Got a link?

Armstrong brand so strong it aint in any shops and there are no advertising in the media with his face or name on it for the products sponsoring him.

I guess all those sponsors were so happy not see their name on him in that Tri

I guess that Weisel is took a big dollar chunk of Armstrongs a$$ all these years and is the guy holding Armstrong's head above water for the moment, but wont be long before he lets him sink.