Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[Oldman]

I see indeminification defaecation deification and indemnity a solid and liquid strategy, pillars and stools of their MO

Sounds like the corporate mantra of TAILWIND....

 

[Microchip]

Someone writes about LA's silence.

 

[shojii]

This in today....concerning LA and the owner of our LBS

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/7873378/Insider-reveals-savaging-by-Armstrong

 

[peterst6906]

This in today....concerning LA and the owner of our LBS

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/7873378/Insider-reveals-savaging-by-Armstrong

Good to see Tex Pat getting some local exposure. Hope its good for business for him and I hope something really good comes out of the crap that Armstrong slung at him.

All that was wronged should be made right. Somehow though I doubt Armstrong has the courage to correct it.

In any case, Mike should find someone who will take a case for him against Armstrong on a payment for win only basis.

 

[peterst6906]

Peter Fitzsimmons tells it he always does:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/the-fit...rail-leads-to-high-places-20121026-28atj.html

so does Kimberly Crow:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/lance-b...ke-power-of-participation-20121027-28c9l.html

unfortunately not everyone in Australian sport gets it:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/doctor-sanctions-steroids-20121027-28c9k.html

 

[Dear Wiggo]

unfortunately not everyone in Australian sport gets it:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/doctor-sanctions-steroids-20121027-28c9k.html

This is part of the reason why I think replacing UCI heads is a short-term, ineffective solution. This guy is saying this and not earning 100's of thousands if not millions of dollars helping athletes cheat their way to success.

He completely ignores the elephant in the room that is the group of riders / athletes who does/do not want to take steroids.

 

[peterst6906]

This is part of the reason why I think replacing UCI heads is a short-term, ineffective solution. This guy is saying this and not earning 100's of thousands if not millions of dollars helping athletes cheat their way to success.

He completely ignores the elephant in the room that is the group of riders / athletes who does/do not want to take steroids.

Totally agree. Has the blinkers on, and not in a good way.

But look at his involvement in Australian sport over the years and you would have to think some former Commonwealth and Olympic athletes were assisted by him in their results.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

This is part of the reason why I think replacing UCI heads is a short-term, ineffective solution. This guy is saying this and not earning 100's of thousands if not millions of dollars helping athletes cheat their way to success.

He completely ignores the elephant in the room that is the group of riders / athletes who does/do not want to take steroids.

I don't understand your point about him (according to his word) not be helping riders cheat their way to victory in return for handsome payments.

It's not like Hein and Pat are saying 'We'll test everyone because it's our job but we think the drugs aren't that bad for you anyway' they are PR savy enough to know not to say that. They are pretending to show a zero tolerance policy whilst accepting under the table bonuses.

This opinion is very much in the minority within the medical community.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Totally agree. Has the blinkers on, and not in a good way.

But look at his involvement in Australian sport over the years and you would have to think some former Commonwealth and Olympic athletes were assisted by him in their results.

At a glance I heavily suspect he's another Ferrari justifying himself that EPO is as bad as orange juice.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

But look at his involvement in Australian sport over the years and you would have to think some former Commonwealth and Olympic athletes were assisted by him in their results.

I have been investigating that very scenario for some time now, and the information is difficult to dig up. I'm patient and will keep plugging away, but I have to admit, I have more than once looked at the big picture and felt like chucking in the towel, like this guy clearly has.

Doping enablers are ubiquitous.

 

[peterst6906]

At a glance I heavily suspect he's another Ferrari justifying himself that EPO is as bad as orange juice.

Perhaps his venerable age has made him senile, but he was an official doctor to Australian representative teams, paid by the government for that service and expected to uphold the principles of international competitions.

He obviously failed to do so.

What concerns me is that medicine is learnt through formal mentoring and coaching as much as study and application.

How many junior doctors did he instil his beliefs into over the years that are still practicing now?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

At a glance I heavily suspect he's another Ferrari justifying himself that EPO is as bad as orange juice.

IMO Ferrari is dead set correct. EPO is as dangerous as orange juice. Use enough to assist and you are in no danger whatsoever. Overdose and you are in trouble.

It's a bit like my Christian friend who assured me alcohol is evil. It isn't. People are evil.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Perhaps his venerable age has made him senile, but he was an official doctor to Australian representative teams, paid by the government for that service and expected to uphold the principles of international competitions.

He obviously failed to do so.

What concerns me is that medicine is learnt through formal mentoring and coaching as much as study and application.

How many junior doctors did he instil his beliefs into over the years that are still practicing now?

What concerns me is the complete lack of opinion in the piece denigrating his current attitude, or at least contrasting it with the Australian government's agreeing to the Copenhagen accord and compliance with WADA code. Or at least mention the dangers and deaths attributed despite his claim that uneducated people are administering them.

Yuck.

What a completely unbalanced and ridiculous article to post.

Are they not allowed to end with, this guy is a dipstick or something at least?

Just. Yuck.

 

[AussieEdge]

I have been investigating that very scenario for some time now, and the information is difficult to dig up. I'm patient and will keep plugging away, but I have to admit, I have more than once looked at the big picture and felt like chucking in the towel, like this guy clearly has.

Doping enablers are ubiquitous.

Good Luck to you - I would love the see the whole truth, good and bad...

 

[Love the Scenery]

More "legalize everything" "Armstrong is not really guilty of anything":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...7cccf0-1d41-11e2-b647-bb1668e64058_story.html

Comments heavily opposed, fortunately. I think that this idea rehabilitating Armstrong's image by legalizing PEDs is not going to get much traction. First he tried to destroy the whole antidoping apparatus just to protect himself and his fortune. It would not surprise me at all if he started to push the legalization of all PEDs in the hope that one day he will be regarded as a pioneer and, once again, a hero, who was simply misunderstood and persecuted by small-minded people opposed to progress and human excellence. A real latter-day Galileo, with USADA in the role of the Church.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Armstrong is the worst possible ambassador for the whole legalise PEDs thing given that he's so famous for having cancer in his early twenties.

I've seen/heard quite a few comments about him looking a lot closer to sixty than forty nowadays.

 

[irongrl]

Armstrong is the worst possible ambassador for the whole legalise PEDs thing given that he's so famous for having cancer in his early twenties.

I've seen/heard quite a few comments about him looking a lot closer to sixty than forty nowadays.

He has looked quite a bit older the past 2 years especially. Is this because of the stress of events since 2010, or is it that all of the doping substances that he used in the past are coming back to haunt him? People who abuse steroids when they are young generally end up looking pretty rough when they start to age. Possibly due to liver damage.

 

[Pazuzu]

The argument in favor of allowing athletes to use PEDs has been around for a while, and reliably gets trotted out whenever there's a doping scandal. In theory, PED's could be used safely. But the reality is that without any doping controls they wouldn't be. Sport would become a PEDs arms race with every athlete attempting to outdo the other, consequences be damned.

Really, it would be an interesting test (although unethical given the health risks posed) to have parallel leagues in a given sport. One with tough doping controls and one without. The selling point for the league with a tough anti-doping policy would be honest competition. Whereas the second league would peddle in freakish 'superhuman' athletic feats. You can probably guess which league I would prefer. But what about the public at large?

My guess is that at first, there'd be a lot of interest in the 'anything goes' no-doping-control league. But in time, after the novelty of the 'freakishness' wore off, most fans would return to the league with a strong anti-doping policy.

 

[Race Radio]

IMO Ferrari is dead set correct. EPO is as dangerous as orange juice. Use enough to assist and you are in no danger whatsoever. Overdose and you are in trouble.

Nope, EPO increases cancer risk
http://www.hemodoc.com/2011/12/epo-lighting-the-fires-of-cancer.html

 

[Don Quixote]

Nope, EPO increases cancer risk
http://www.hemodoc.com/2011/12/epo-lighting-the-fires-of-cancer.html

We all gotta die of summit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-Healthy-fruit-juice-sugar-bring-tumours.html

 

[thirteen]

Nope, EPO increases cancer risk
http://www.hemodoc.com/2011/12/epo-lighting-the-fires-of-cancer.html

i get that in terms of LA, but am a little bummed, personally, in terms of a family member undergoing cancer therapy

 

[skidmark]

IMO Ferrari is dead set correct. EPO is as dangerous as orange juice. Use enough to assist and you are in no danger whatsoever. Overdose and you are in trouble.

I've always had a problem with that comparison. Orange juice isn't a performance enhancer, and so people have no motivation to overdose on it. When you have something that gives you an insane performance advantage, it's as slippery a slope as you can get once you start taking it.

 

[Don Quixote]

I've always had a problem with that comparison. Orange juice isn't a performance enhancer, and so people have no motivation to overdose on it. When you have something that gives you an insane performance advantage, it's as slippery a slope as you can get once you start taking it.

That all depends on how thirsty you are.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I've always had a problem with that comparison. Orange juice isn't a performance enhancer, and so people have no motivation to overdose on it. When you have something that gives you an insane performance advantage, it's as slippery a slope as you can get once you start taking it.

I tired to clarify my statement with the alcohol anaolgy. I think it's closer to the truth - EPO is no more dangerous than alcohol.

 

[Don Quixote]

I tired to clarify my statement with the alcohol anaolgy. I think it's closer to the truth - EPO is no more dangerous than alcohol.

Whilst under the influence...oh the irony