Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[TheSecretForum]

There are the anomolies of his blood from Comeback2.0. His comeback was 2009-2011

But if RR suggests that there a positives from 04 and 05 then all will be revealed and they will be positives.

But he also said the USADA had Sheryl Crow but it turns out she only spoke to the feds. I guess we'll have to see.

 

[Race Radio]

But he also said the USADA had Sheryl Crow but it turns out she only spoke to the feds. I guess we'll have to see.

You are assuming she only talked to the Feds. That assumption would be incorrect. There is still a question if she gave the same very valuable testimony that she gave the Fed's to USADA

As for 2004 and 2005, don't know if that will ever see the light of day. In the end it really does not matter, Lance will be stripped of everything. The "Never tested positive" myth is is only believed by the most desperate groupies.

 

[hrotha]

Of course this list doesn't mention out the fact there is no test for autologous blood doping. Also the fact that for years there was no test for HGH, and the one there is isn't very effective.

Exactly. We must remember that being in cahoots with the UCI and USAC helps beat those tests, but it's not a requirement. Plenty of people with no particularly strong connections have beaten hundreds of tests during their careers.

 

[TheSecretForum]

But if RR suggests that there a positives from 04 and 05 then all will be revealed and they will be positives.

Maybe you should be a little more skeptical.

As for 2004 and 2005, don't know if that will ever see the light of day.

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe you should be a little more skeptical.

RR did not say till he posted they may not see the light of day. But as RR has one of the many inside lines, there is a pretty damn good chance the positives are there.

Will they see the light of day?

I think they will. Will it be soon or later when others tell the sordid story of there part in the downfall of the greatest sporting fraud in the history of the sport? i have no doubt we will see them at some point.

But he also said the USADA had Sheryl Crow but it turns out she only spoke to the feds. I guess we'll have to see.

You are assuming she only talked to the Feds. That assumption would be incorrect. There is still a question if she gave the same very valuable testimony that she gave the Fed's to USADA

 

[TheSecretForum]

RR did not say till he posted they may not see the light of day. But as RR has one of the many inside lines, there is a pretty damn good chance the positives are there.

Like I suspected it might be, it seems like a rumor of suspicious results that indicate doping but don't pass thresholds. That happens a lot. We maybe hearing about it in Armstrong's case because every rumor is coming out at the moment. Other rumors, like he was warned before all tests, came out the other day but no evidence emerged. Rumors aren't necessarily going to back it to the evidence so some skepitism is needed.

Don't make the same mistake on Sheryl Crow. He is vague about that too. It could merely mean she spoke to them but won't be apart of the evidence. If he really knew then he would tell us, wouldn't he? Why not?

 

[Race Radio]

he was warned before all tests, came out the other day but no evidence emerged.

Really? So Walter Viru getting arrested is not evidence? Floyd, Tyler, Manano and the head of the LNDD are lying? The Independent observers report from both the 2009 and 2010 Tour that detailed delays of up to an hour before testing was wrong?

 

[TheSecretForum]

Really? So Walter Viru getting arrested is not evidence? Floyd, Tyler, Manano and the head of the LNDD are lying? The Independent observers report from both the 2009 and 2010 Tour that detailed delays of up to an hour before testing was wrong?

There is evidence of some prior knowledge on specific occasions, but it was speculated the other day that he was warned before all tests, which seems wide of the mark.

I am just saying be wary of self important speculation and people wanting to seem more important than they really are at times like these. Everything to the kitchen sink is being thrown at Armstrong and it remains to be seen whether all of it will stick.

 

[Benotti69]

Like I suspected it might be, it seems like a rumor of suspicious results that indicate doping but don't pass thresholds. That happens a lot.

If you are talking about wattages etc...for sure. But that is speculation based on a riders history of performances

We maybe hearing about it in Armstrong's case because every rumor is coming out at the moment. Other rumors, like he was warned before all tests, came out the other day but no evidence emerged. Rumors aren't necessarily going to back it to the evidence so some skepitism is needed.

The thing with Armstrong is that in 2001 when LeMond heard Armstrong had been working with Ferarri, he coined the now bang on the mark phrase 'the biggest fraud in the history of sport' we not blinded by the myth knew there was something not right and those rumours had stated with his steroid positive. So we have 13 years of rumours and lo and behold most have come true.

The dirty life Armstrong has lived as a rider in the pro peloton is one of the most depraved so absolutely anything is possible when you match his persoanlity to the long list of experiences recounted by those who know him or have crossed him at various points.

Also most of the myths have been debunked.

Don't make the same mistake on Sheryl Crow. He is vague about that too. It could merely mean she spoke to them but won't be apart of the evidence. If he really knew then he would tell us, wouldn't he? Why not?

I think RR does not take the glory from those who deserve it. I have no doubt he could've told us lots of what was in Tylers book, but didn't and left it till the book.

 

[the big ring]

There is evidence of some prior knowledge on specific occasions, but it was speculated the other day that he was warned before all tests, which seems wide of the mark.

So a banned quitter was warned pre-test, there is hard evidence of this, and you want to nit-pick that it may not have been ALL tests, but only some?

 

[Race Radio]

it remains to be seen whether all of it will stick.

It appears you did not hear the news. It stuck. Lance is banned for life

 

[TheSecretForum]

It appears you did not hear the news. It stuck. Lance is banned for life

Actually the UCI has not recognised that yet, but even if true, that doesn't make every rumor accurate. People can go to the other extreme.

 

[Benotti69]

There is evidence of some prior knowledge on specific occasions, but it was speculated the other day that he was warned before all tests, which seems wide of the mark.

I am just saying be wary of self important speculation and people wanting to seem more important than they really are at times like these. Everything to the kitchen sink is being thrown at Armstrong and it remains to be seen whether all of it will stick.

Oh dear, you have got it so wrong. Did you buy a box of yellow bracelets.

 

[LauraLyn]

. . . .
But if RR suggests that there a positives from 04 and 05 then all will be revealed and they will be positives.

This is just the kind of "evidence" that plays so well into Lance's PR machine.

It really undermines the good work of The Clinic.

 

[LauraLyn]

1. You are assuming she only talked to the Feds. That assumption would be incorrect.

2.There is still a question if she gave the same very valuable testimony that she gave the Fed's to USADA

As for 2004 and 2005, don't know if that will ever see the light of day. In the end it really does not matter, Lance will be stripped of everything. 3. The "Never tested positive" myth is is only believed by the most desperate groupies.

1. Now there is enormous emptiness.

2. But you know. You told us yesterday that "Sheryl is chatty"

3. You underestimate the average person in the street (and by doing so overestimate yourself).

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

1. Now there is enormous emptiness.

2. But you know. You told us yesterday that "Sheryl is chatty"

3. You underestimate the average person in the street (and by doing so overestimate yourself).

I am likin' RR more each day, like most clear-minded Clinicians.

 

[LauraLyn]

RR did not say till he posted they may not see the light of day. But as RR has one of the many inside lines, there is a pretty damn good chance the positives are there.

Will they see the light of day?

I think they will. Will it be soon or later when others tell the sordid story of there part in the downfall of the greatest sporting fraud in the history of the sport? i have no doubt we will see them at some point.

You could be right. But at the moment it is probably unlikely those results will see the light of day.

If it happens it will likely either be because 1. they were disclosed erroneously, 2. they were leaked (perhaps by the UCI or USA Cycling), 3. (the most probably but still highly unlikely) through the reopening of the Fed case, or 4. through the arbitration of one of the three remaining (but these arbitration hearings seem unlikely to me, except perhaps perhaps perhaps Marti).

 

[LauraLyn]

I am likin' RR more each day, like most clear-minded Clinicians.

Me too. RaceRadio is one of my favorites. He makes excellent contributions.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

2. But you know. You told us yesterday that "Sheryl is chatty" and that she told you what she told the prosecutor and the grand jury. Of course, you can't tell us, but you know..

PLease cite to where RR stated this.

Thank you.

Susan

 

[Anonymous]

1. Now there is enormous emptiness.

2. But you know. You told us yesterday that "Sheryl is chatty" and that she told you what she told the prosecutor and the grand jury. Of course, you can't tell us, but you know.

3. You underestimate the average person in the street (and by doing so overestimate yourself).

The average person on the street, with regard to all things Lance, is a total idiot.

I like RR's credibility.

 

[LauraLyn]

PLease cite to where RR stated this.

Thank you.

Susan

Hi Susan: The Clinic>Mike Anderson Thread>Page 13>#123.

 

[LauraLyn]

The average person on the street, with regard to all things Lance, is a total idiot.

I like RR's credibility.

Perhaps. But this might be too simplistic. It could also imply that the average person on the street is "a total idiot" regarding many things.

The objective I would have would be to try to understand why people think the way they do and how we could change that so that there is a shift from the "win at all costs" acceptance among the public to a genuine outcry against doping in sports.

 

[Anonymous]

Perhaps. But this might be too simplistic. It could also imply that the average person on the street is "a total idiot" regarding many things.

The objective I would have would be to try to understand why people think the way they do and how we could change that so that there is a shift from the "win at all costs" acceptance among the public to a genuine outcry against doping in sports.

The only thing I implied is that the average person on the street, with regards to all things Lance, is a total idiot.

You are certainly free to pursue your objective. Best of luck with that.

 

[Race Radio]

Hi Susan: The Clinic>Mike Anderson Thread>Page 13>#123.

As expected, you are trolling. I said nothing remotely close to that

I jokingly said that Sheryl told me about Mike's depo. There is zero mention of her GJ testimony or anything else....but of course you knew this

Your attempts to bait me into responding to your babble are obvious.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

LauraLyn, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you misinterpreted RR's remark.

However, I will still go back and delete the references.

Susan

ETA: I decided after all not to delete all references. LL, please do not make further such mistaken claims.