Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[BroDeal]

Morality is subjective. Kristen understood how pro cycling worked in the 1990s and believed in that context she was not lacking integrity and indeed she was helping her country level the playing field at the worlds. Some people also think her willingness to stand strong and not seek to save herself when the feds came calling was an act of bravery and integrity. We have to accept that morality isn't only something that is set in governing bodies and laws. Life is more complex than that.

A great example would be the be tea-totalled Betsy and her betrayal of Lance Armstrong's hospital room conversation and the vindictive way she has tried to ruin him as being immoral. Some think it's absolutely fantastic.

Hmmm. I wonder who this could be.

 

[newagevelo]

The point is that when you clog the thread with "Troll! Troll!" it's as bad or worse than the trolling. Possibly not as satisfying for you personally, but certainly more effective and better for the forum. You can't really complain about thread-clogging when you're participating in it.

For the members who have sent PM's and reports, again thanks.

You should act on the warnings you give people not to brand people trolls. I've never seen any consequences to it, and as you rightly point out, it causes MUCH MORE disruption than anything the people they complain about do.

It's true that Polish has a jokey style but it's no worse, and far less sinister, than the likes of BroDeal, thehog, Benotti etc, who can be very hateful. Nobody ever complains about them. People should learn to be more tolerant of different styles instead of constantly trying to play the system to silence them.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

You should act on the warnings you give people not to brand people trolls. I've never seen any consequences to it, and as you rightly point out, it causes MUCH MORE disruption than anything the people they complain about do.

It's true that Polish has a jokey style but it's no worse, and far less sinister, than the likes of BroDeal, thehog, Benotti etc, who can be very hateful. Nobody ever complains about them. People should learn to be more tolerant of different styles instead of constantly trying to play the system to silence them.

Two posts in and you have this wealth of information about the people who post here. WOW!!! You forgot to start your post with "Long time lurker, first time poster." Page 23 of the "Posting for Lance" media guide.

 

[newagevelo]

Hmmm. I wonder who this could be.

Hi, better hit that report button. I don't expect to stay here more than a couple of posts anyway.

Of course, I am hated more than anyone because I give yo a proper debate on the detail and counter the hypocritical morality you spout. Your heads explode!

 

[newagevelo]

Two posts in and you have this wealth of information about the people who post here. WOW!!! You forgot to start your post with "Long time lurker, first time poster." Page 23 of the "Posting for Lance" media guide.

I came on to make one post in response to Maserati, dip****. Don't panic, I'll be gone soon.

Great to see Polish back though.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I came on to make one post in response to Maserati, dip****. Don't panic, I'll be gone soon.

Great to see Polish back though.

Fair enough. I respect the honesty believe it or not.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Morality is subjective. Kristen understood how pro cycling worked in the 1990s and believed in that context she was not lacking integrity and indeed she was helping her country level the playing field at the worlds. Some people also think her willingness to stand strong and not seek to save herself when the feds came calling was an act of bravery and integrity. We have to accept that morality isn't only something that is set in governing bodies and laws. Life is more complex than that.

A great example would be the be tea-totalled Betsy and her betrayal of Lance Armstrong's hospital room conversation and the vindictive way she has tried to ruin him as being immoral. Some think it's absolutely fantastic.

"Some people", .... you're not even trying.

But lets' play.
So, "Kristen understood how pro cycling worked in the 90's"? - she only met LA in 97....handing out drugs a year later.
Betsy would have known more, yet she didnt sell her integrity - or write about it. And when compelled to do so told the truth.
What is it about all these liars you admire so much?

 

[newagevelo]

"Some people", .... you're not even trying.

But lets' play.
So, "Kristen understood how pro cycling worked in the 90's"? - she only met LA in 97....handing out drugs a year later.
Betsy would have known more, yet she didnt sell her integrity - or write about it. And when compelled to do so told the truth.
What is it about all these liars you admire so much?

I know I will type out a long answer to this and then get the message

"Banned. Reason: No reason specified. Date lifted: Never"

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I know I will type out a long answer to this and then get the message

"Banned. Reason: No reason specified. Date lifted: Never"

Oh well, there's always twitter...no mods there, right?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I know I will type out a long answer to this and then get the message

"Banned. Reason: No reason specified. Date lifted: Never"

....And yet you still don't get the hint.

 

[Microchip]

Get ready, USADA will give the case to the UCI this week.

Mew took the words right out of my keyboard!!! Woo-hoooooo!!!

 

[newagevelo]

Oh well, there's always twitter...no mods there, right?

It doesn't suit my style. I am fairly long winded. You can only troll on twitter really.

 

[Kender]

A great example would be the be tea-totalled Betsy and her betrayal of Lance Armstrong's hospital room conversation and the vindictive way she has tried to ruin him as being immoral. Some think it's absolutely fantastic.

well you will find few people who will claim lying is more moral than telling the truth.

The way this sentance is worded clearly suggests you are one of the few that think lying is fine and telling the truth is clearly the work of the devil.

 

[Race Radio]

Back on topic.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...port-lance-raises-questions-article-1.1173205

“It’s hard to see why the United States Attorney’s office backed off,” said Golden Gate University law professor and dean emeritus Peter Keane. “The bottom line for both agencies was this: Was Lance Armstrong doping? So why would one agency, USADA, move forward and strip Armstrong of everything while another agency, the U.S. Attorney’s office, dropped everything?

“The U.S. Attorney will have to come up with some fairly substantial explanations as to why he didn’t go forward with this,” Keane added.

“poisoned the well,”

“People are going to have to make their own judgments,” the source added. “But the USADA report is not going to make the Los Angeles prosecutors look great.”

 

[thehog]

Well that mystifying subplot just came to a deadend.

 

[PosterBill]

I remain unsure if Birotte is a sleaze or if he was only a pawn in the greater game. I hope he has to give some kind of answer eventually

 

[Race Radio]

I remain unsure if Birotte is a sleaze or if he was only a pawn in the greater game. I hope he has to give some kind of answer eventually

.......pawn

 

[mewmewmew13]

..and will we ever see any explanation for the fed closure? will Birotte ever be called for any of his actions?
I'm thinking that as time goes by we will see some information that might explain who/ what was behind the closed Fed case...

 

[PosterBill]

I don't believe Birotte will ever have to give anykind of answer, i was only hoping that he might cave to some kind of media pressure and have to issue something other then boiler plate crap,

anyways, i guess i'll have to wait to the report to find out how bad he looks

 

[TheEnoculator]

I always thought the Federal case smelled fishy for dropping so abruptly, without any kind of explanation. LA's response of being vindicated smelled even fishier.

I hope the USADA report will cause a tsunami.

 

[PosterBill]

And on the eve of Superbowl weekend, reminds me of a company releasing bad info into the stock market on a friday at 4:29

 

[MarkvW]

I don't believe Birotte will ever have to give anykind of answer, i was only hoping that he might cave to some kind of media pressure and have to issue something other then boiler plate crap,

anyways, i guess i'll have to wait to the report to find out how bad he looks

I don't think that will provide any answers. It couldn't be proof of doping that caused the prosecutorial problem, there is overwhelming evidence of that times 300.

It has to be something else. Race Radio pushes influence, but I am nowhere near convinced. The USPS cases were old by the time Floyd snitched and there had to be problems with the statute of limitations.

And there is always the possibility that Lance admitted all the doping under oath, just like all the other little Posties, and the feds dropped the investigation for that reason . . ..

People who want to believe corruption or influence caused the end of the investigation are going to believe it, and there is nothing that will shake them out of it because the feds are simply not going to divulge anything (at least until everybody relevant is dead).

 

[DirtyWorks]

....anyways, i guess i'll have to wait to the report to find out how bad he looks

My understanding is nothing has passed from fed to USADA.

IMHO, USADA would be **way** out of their league if they mixed law enforcement politics in their report.

As it is, I wonder if they can fill out the UCI's/usac scandals sure to be hiding.

 

[Bosco10]

My understanding is nothing has passed from fed to USADA.

IMHO, USADA would be **way** out of their league if they mixed law enforcement politics in their report.

As it is, I wonder if they can fill out the UCI's/usac scandals sure to be hiding.

What do you mean by fill out?

 

[Velodude]

I don't think that will provide any answers. It couldn't be proof of doping that caused the prosecutorial problem, there is overwhelming evidence of that times 300.

It has to be something else. Race Radio pushes influence, but I am nowhere near convinced. The USPS cases were old by the time Floyd snitched and there had to be problems with the statute of limitations.

And there is always the possibility that Lance admitted all the doping under oath, just like all the other little Posties, and the feds dropped the investigation for that reason . . ..

People who want to believe corruption or influence caused the end of the investigation are going to believe it, and there is nothing that will shake them out of it because the feds are simply not going to divulge anything (at least until everybody relevant is dead).

Come on, Counselor, you keep regurgitating this stupidity that the main target for the Federal probe was given immunity from prosecution to spill the facts and thereby shut down years of investigative work by teams from numerous agencies seeking to prosecute Armstrong & Tailwind.

You fail to recall Birotte shut down the investigation and the Los Angeles Grand Jury before further witnesses were arranged to be put under the grill. This was the leaked complaint of Fed investigators against Birotte's abrupt closure.

So, in your scenario Armstrong must have been the last "witness" to spill the beans under oath. After his testimony there was no need to continue interviewing witnesses and putting those witnesses before the GJ.