Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[spiaggia]

@Microchip So the TUE happened regardless of the rule. In sport, as in society, the rules only apply to some. Sad.

 

[Ride to forget]

Apologies if this has already been covered, and further apologies for linking to the Daily Mail, but Vaughters says Armstrong used the UCI's failure to detect his elevated HCG levels as a get-out-of-jail-free card.

 

[Fatclimber]

Apologies if this has already been covered, and further apologies for linking to the Daily Mail, but Vaughters says Armstrong used the UCI's failure to detect his elevated HCG levels as a get-out-of-jail-free card.

I wonder if armstrong discussed that situation with Heinnie & Pattie, sealing his fate for as long as he wanted to compete.

More typical la. Everybody else gets all the blame and he gets all the glory. Still trying to play everybody to get what he wants.

 

[Microchip]

I wonder if armstrong discussed that situation with Heinnie & Pattie, sealing his fate for as long as he wanted to compete...

And I'm wondering if he had that discussion alone with them or if he had help. How old was he when his cancer was detected? 24 or 25? Was he an astute businessman at that age? Could he accomplish pinning Hein and Pat - men far more experienced in life and much older than he was - to the wall singlehandedly for 7 and more consecutive years!?!

I'm really beginning to wonder if at 25 years old, he could be so experienced and hard-nosed at business that he could make a deal that withstood tempestuous accusations over an extremely long time. Sounds to me like someone else was sitting in on that discussion. There are more fish in that pond, maybe some hiding in some nooks and crevices. Hopefully Juliet Macur's book or film would enlighten us.

 

[Microchip]

@Microchip So the TUE happened regardless of the rule. In sport, as in society, the rules only apply to some. Sad.

The TUE happened and he was spared being kicked out, regardless of the rule.

 

[Steve H.]

And I'm wondering if he had that discussion alone with them or if he had help. How old was he when his cancer was detected? 24 or 25? Was he an astute businessman at that age? Could he accomplish pinning Hein and Pat - men far more experienced in life and much older than he was - to the wall singlehandedly for 7 and more consecutive years!?!

I'm really beginning to wonder if at 25 years old, he could be so experienced and hard-nosed at business that he could make a deal that withstood tempestuous accusations over an extremely long time. Sounds to me like someone else was sitting in on that discussion. There are more fish in that pond, maybe some hiding in some nooks and crevices. Hopefully Juliet Macur's book or film would enlighten us.

It seems to me either greedy and manipulative men were looking for someone all to willing to do whatever it took, or they saw the unique opportunity Armstrong, post cancer, presented for profit.

 

[Gregga]

Does someone know a link for Armstrong 2010 blood values.
I noticed once a step down for HCt the same day Ferrari tells him to "take it easy", but don't find the datas any more.
Quite a proof of blood withdrawal isn't it ?
Clean since 2005

 

[DirtyWorks]

And I'm wondering if he had that discussion alone with them or if he had help. How old was he when his cancer was detected? 24 or 25? Was he an astute businessman at that age?

One name: Thom Wiesel

We know there was a way for Thom to send money to Hein without explicitly breaking bribery laws at Thom's financial brokerage business. We know Thom to be a guy who takes risks that probably break rules too.

Cycling and the IOC are a perfect fit for Thom.

 

[Microchip]

One name: Thom Wiesel

We know there was a way for Thom to send money to Hein without explicitly breaking bribery laws at Thom's financial brokerage business. We know Thom to be a guy who takes risks that probably break rules too.

Cycling and the IOC are a perfect fit for Thom.

Then Armstrong is not the person behind it all. Not that it diminishes his ridiculous behaviour, hwvr, perhaps this Thom is the real mastermind. Perhaps that's even been said here, as I know the name from being bandied about in the Clinic.

 

[thehog]

Heads rolling?

More to come?

Lance Armstrong scandal: Head of UCI resigns from IOC committee

Pat McQuaid, the head of the International Cycling Union, has stepped down from a key International Olympic Committee panel as he deals with the fallout from the Lance Armstrong doping scandal.

McQuaid is on the committee that is evaluating bids for the 2020 Summer Olympics.

McQuaid has been replaced by Patrick Baumann, a Swiss IOC member and secretary-general of international basketball federation FIBA.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-lance-armstrong-uci-ioc-20130123,0,124172.story

 

[WinterRider]

Heads rolling?

More to come?



http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-lance-armstrong-uci-ioc-20130123,0,124172.story

It's a start anyway. But is his head really rolling, or was his excuse correct and he's needed at the office to make sure his head really doesn't roll?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Then Armstrong is not the person behind it all. Not that it diminishes his ridiculous behaviour, hwvr, perhaps this Thom is the real mastermind. Perhaps that's even been said here, as I know the name from being bandied about in the Clinic.

Money talks. Thom is the mastermind. Now, let's give Wonderboy some credit for playing the part to perfection.

Memorable quotes like, "Everybody wants to know what I'm on. What am I on? I'm on my bike busting my *** six hours a day. What are you on? don't just happen everyday.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's a start anyway. But is his head really rolling, or was his excuse correct and he's needed at the office to make sure his head really doesn't roll?

As far as the IOC is concerned, IMHO they can't have his name attached to the next bid. Again, the IOC is anti-controversy. They are not transparent or honest in any meaningful way.

 

[mewmewmew13]

It's a start anyway. But is his head really rolling, or was his excuse correct and he's needed at the office to make sure his head really doesn't roll?

Ooh ooh!
I've been waiting for someone to use that phrase!

 

[Oldman]

Heads rolling?

More to come?



http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-lance-armstrong-uci-ioc-20130123,0,124172.story

Mainstream press finally smelling the blood in the water. Smells like...MOMENTUM.

 

[thirteen]

Ooh ooh!
I've been waiting for someone to use that phrase!

mew, only you... love it!!!

 

[weeniebeenie]

A Bit of History by Michele Ferrari (22/01/2013)

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=126

 

[Microchip]

Heads rolling?

More to come?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-lance-armstrong-uci-ioc-20130123,0,124172.story

Hmmm...I wonder what's going on in March? hmm...

 

[reginagold]

A Bit of History by Michele Ferrari (22/01/2013)

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=126

I think this post by Mr. Ferrari confirms he will do a lot of favors for his million dollar clients. Sure, sure, Lance was the best and would have won the TDF w/o doping. He just doped to the gills for a decade to keep a little risk in his life.

 

[Microchip]

I think this post by Mr. Ferrari confirms he will do a lot of favors for his million dollar clients...

Speaking of "favours", how possible would it have been to "fudge" the times in the 1999-2005 Tours? You know, add a few seconds onto a rider's time, and subtract a few from another.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Speaking of "favours", how possible would it have been to "fudge" the times in the 1999-2005 Tours? You know, add a few seconds onto a rider's time, and subtract a few from another.

IMHO, that's not worth the scandal. The UCI picking winners is about right. The only thing left for the TdF is, when did ASO know? Is the Giro for sale over at the RSO?

 

[DirtyWorks]

In all the buzz about more lies told to Doprah, were the documents demanded ever produced by Wonderboy's people?

What can keep them tied up so long?

 

[rata de sentina]

Various Australian press is bashing Mike Turtur over LA and payments so that he would come to the TdU to be fawned over by Mike Rann. Sickening at the time to those in the know of course but now the public are waking up to what a nasty waste of public cash.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/race-chief-quiet-on-armstrong-fees-20130123-2d7ji.html
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/tour-defends-paying-lance-20130123-2d7id.html
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/northern/2013/01/17/ten-australian-questions-for-the-cancer-jesus/
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/41832/armstrong-s-tdu-fees-could-be-reviewed

 

[Cycle Chic]

Lance Mountain Biking

Check Lance out in this video mountain biking...so this is a naturally talented bike rider is it ???? what a wuss...scroll to 1 minute...after Betsy and Frankie talking.

http://www.vancouversun.com/videos/...ODqWvC-8fFTrywXCC2Xi82-nOO&utm_source=taboola


ehh !!! my 12 year old niece could come down there faster and better than our Wonderboy.

Obviously didnt think Aspen mountain warranted taking any PED's.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

So you think the majority of the blame attaches to LA, when there's clearly corruption at the highest levels of the sport's administration? Now that's naive.

I'm no Lance apologist - I disliked him well before any doping allegations surfaced. But if everyone is as satisfied with his head as you appear to be, we'll be decrying another Lance all too soon.

You fail to understand that the crux of the largest scandal in sports history is a conspiracy. The principal of that conspiracy was Lance Armstrong and not corrupt administration officials. They played a peripheral role outside the conspiracy, by being passive, wilfully blind and obtuse to the cries of scandal.

USADA's reasoned decision clearly articulated the nature and extent of the conspiracy with evidence and not speculation and conjecture about corrupt administration officials. USADA does not name the UCI, the TDF or Cycling USA as parties to the conspiracy. It names Bruyneel, Ferrari etal.

However, that does not mean to say as you suggest that the general administration of cycling is not corrupt. But show me the evidence first as opposed to your speculation. Obviously a good place to start would be with LA's "donation" to the UCI following the TDSuisse positive test, where Hamilton says LA "made it go away"