Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[thehog]

Lance has a problem. The reason he couldn't go to arbitration and is settling his lawsuits is he doesn't want to testify. Or more to the point he can't testify due to the federal suit.

Lance did a lot more bad things than people are aware and he can't afford to expose himself to further risk by going on record.

Each interview he's given had a coded message. The one before last was a message to Hein. This one to Weisel.

I don't disagree he's trying to simply his life. That makes sense. But he's wrapped up in this thing for at least the next 4-6 years.

The prospect of criminal charges would be his biggest concern.

 

[MarkvW]

Lance has a problem. The reason he couldn't go to arbitration and is settling his lawsuits is he doesn't want to testify. Or more to the point he can't testify due to the federal suit.

Lance did a lot more bad things than people are aware and he can't afford to expose himself to further risk by going on record.

Each interview he's given had a coded message. The one before last was a message to Hein. This one to Weisel.

I don't disagree he's trying to simply his life. That makes sense. But he's wrapped up in this thing for at least the next 4-6 years.

The prospect of criminal charges would be his biggest concern.

Problem with your reasoning here is that Lance HAS to testify in the federal suit. This case is the reason why his best tactic (earlier) was to keep his mouth shut. Lance is apparently figuring that talking about his doping can't hurt his federal case.

Lance may take the Fifth regarding some of his cover-up stuff (his crude intimidation tactics), and that could hurt him a lot when he tries to that the statute of limitations should not be tolled because everybody should have known about his intimidation tactics.

I don't think Lance does "coded messages." He's just a little bull who always drives straight ahead.

 

[thehog]

Problem with your reasoning here is that Lance HAS to testify in the federal suit. This case is the reason why his best tactic (earlier) was to keep his mouth shut. Lance is apparently figuring that talking about his doping can't hurt his federal case.

Lance may take the Fifth regarding some of his cover-up stuff (his crude intimidation tactics), and that could hurt him a lot when he tries to that the statute of limitations should not be tolled because everybody should have known about his intimidation tactics.

I don't think Lance does "coded messages." He's just a little bull who always drives straight ahead.

Of course he does. And he's not going to compromise his position in a $1m lawsuit for the 100m suit.

That's why he wanted his depositions rolled into one appearance. He can't avoid playing his cards until he knows what the Feds have.

He's not talking about doping. Hardly. He keeps saying it was conservative and just the basic use. He's playing dumb on that front.

This is not a case about doping.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Lance better hide, though.

No don´t. If I would trust one guy to do harm to a bigger a§§hole with much deeper pockets than himself, it´s him.

Go Lance. (That´s the first time ever am cheering for Lance Armstrong)

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Always wondered if the filmmakers truly knew what they had captured.

Dave.

What did I miss? What happened between Basso and LA?

Thanks in advance for enlightening me...

P.S.: I liked the ESPN interview, unlike most of the clinic members. Even tough he tried to show himself in a good light, at least he didn´t gave answers that pleases everybody (good responses about cycling being the lone scapegoat, that he´d take Epo again in the same situation in the 90s, etc.)

 

[Le breton]

What did I miss? What happened between Basso and LA?

Thanks in advance for enlightening me...

/QUOTE]

Me 2.
Basso and LA. ( I guess they mean Ivan, not his sister )

 

[thehog]

What did I miss? What happened between Basso and LA?

Thanks in advance for enlightening me...

P.S.: I liked the ESPN interview, unlike most of the clinic members. Even tough he tried to show himself in a good light, at least he didn´t gave answers that pleases everybody (good responses about cycling being the lone scapegoat, that he´d take Epo again in the same situation in the 90s, etc.)

The deal was to help Basso's grandmother. Armstrong arranged for a Doctor to fly out and see her in Italy when she had cancer. So the story goes.

 

[DirtyWorks]

on the public relations front, I think he's really just testing.... A really clear moment for me was in the ESPN interview when he's reflecting on things in his other interviews that (I'm sure his PR people and their analytics have told him) 'resonated'. It's almost like he's trying a bunch of different tactics
....
It's almost like he's creating a brand around 'what Lance Armstrong knows'.... THEN come out with the tell-all. That will maximize his relevance

That's how I read the espn article. Modifying the messages to figure out how to turn public opinion to his advantage. Still the same lying liar, and legend in his own mind.

More interviews coming once the espn opinion is measured.

 

[Berzin]

The deal was to help Basso's grandmother. Armstrong arranged for a Doctor to fly out and see her in Italy when she had cancer. So the story goes.

A bit of fact-checking is in order here.

It wasn't Basso's grandmother, it was his mother. No doctor flew out to see her. She was seen by Italian specialists where she lived in Italy.

She unfortunately wound up succumbing to the disease in 2005.

As for the actual topic, during the 2004 Tour Basso had won an earlier mountain stage while alone with Armstrong and Riis was very happy. Basso had a phone chat with Armstrong about his personal situation with his mother, and Armstrong promised to help.

During a later mountain stage, Basso and Armstrong again were alone fighting for the finish. In the documentary "Overcoming", the insinuation is that Basso let Armstrong win in appreciation and deference to his promise of help. Riis' disappointment was palpable, if not a bit overwrought and over-dramatized, but it was never spoken of in the documentary.

 

[jens_attacks]

lance knew everything about his rivals, advantages or weakness
in my opinion it was the other way around, lance gifted to basso la mongie stage because he knew about his mother. it was a nice gesture. in 2004 pyrennees, lance was fantastically strong, in a mano a mano sprint on la mongie, ivan basso would have never ever won.
let's not make from lance a devil in every situation.

 

[sideshadow]

USPS wages via @KeithJamesMc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2803akn&s=5#.Uq7mdvuKaoo

Lance took more than the rest of his team combined in some years. Total ******, the guy who would make Hamilton pay out of his own pocket to 'finance' a bunch of Spanish dopers.

The more I think about it, the more I wish this guy loses every last cent and then some.

 

[D-Queued]

A bit of fact-checking is in order here.

It wasn't Basso's grandmother, it was his mother. No doctor flew out to see her. She was seen by Italian specialists where she lived in Italy.

She unfortunately wound up succumbing to the disease in 2005.

As for the actual topic, during the 2004 Tour Basso had won an earlier mountain stage while alone with Armstrong and Riis was very happy. Basso had a phone chat with Armstrong about his personal situation with his mother, and Armstrong promised to help.

During a later mountain stage, Basso and Armstrong again were alone fighting for the finish. In the documentary "Overcoming", the insinuation is that Basso let Armstrong win in appreciation and deference to his promise of help. Riis' disappointment was palpable, if not a bit overwrought and over-dramatized, but it was never spoken of in the documentary.

It was the Alpe d'Huez TT, and Basso was clearly reining himself in.

In the documentary, Riis was almost gleefully projecting a win.

After the TT, he was one upset dude.

Basso was gifted the stage on his mother's (or grandmother's) birthday as a present for his mother.

There was a private meeting between Basso and Lance, after which I believe Basso said something about 'he is going to help us' when asked by Riis what had happened.

The narration did not have to underscore that the 'fix was in'.

Dave.

 

[coinneach]

I can barely remember all the detail

BUT I'd love to see it again, with a new commentary about what was actually going on at the time...anyone else up for that?

 

[roundabout]

USPS wages via @KeithJamesMc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2803akn&s=5#.Uq7mdvuKaoo

Lance took more than the rest of his team combined in some years. Total ******, the guy who would make Hamilton pay out of his own pocket to 'finance' a bunch of Spanish dopers.

The more I think about it, the more I wish this guy loses every last cent and then some.

Vande Velde had a good agent

 

[thehog]

USPS wages via @KeithJamesMc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2803akn&s=5#.Uq7mdvuKaoo

Lance took more than the rest of his team combined in some years. Total ******, the guy who would make Hamilton pay out of his own pocket to 'finance' a bunch of Spanish dopers.

The more I think about it, the more I wish this guy loses every last cent and then some.

You can link it like this.

Poor old Boonen! 30k!

 

[roundabout]

Mad Max for 50k was a bargain

 

[Coolair2970]

It was the Alpe d'Huez TT, and Basso was clearly reining himself in.

In the documentary, Riis was almost gleefully projecting a win.

After the TT, he was one upset dude.

Basso was gifted the stage on his mother's (or grandmother's) birthday as a present for his mother.

There was a private meeting between Basso and Lance, after which I believe Basso said something about 'he is going to help us' when asked by Riis what had happened.

The narration did not have to underscore that the 'fix was in'.

Dave.

You might be right about Basso reining himself in, but I was at that mountain that day and Lance also had all the help in the world.

There was an estimated 1 million people on the 14 km rider and I can tell all it was a very hot day. 35 degrees celsius all day and not a wind.

The road only opened for the riders in the last minute a nobody had as many police bike and follow cars as Lance.

I saw Ullrich and Basso being stopped by spectators because the road was blocked and they had to slow down a lot not to hit anybody.

Normally I agree that Basso wouldn't loose as much time on the Alpe as he did, but all the spectators could have slowed him down.

 

[Coolair2970]

I can barely remember all the detail

BUT I'd love to see it again, with a new commentary about what was actually going on at the time...anyone else up for that?

wrong movie

 

[MonkeyFace]

You can link it like this.

Poor old Boonen! 30k!

I saw that,too. No wonder why Boonen got the f out of dodge as fast as he did.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

I saw that,too. No wonder why Boonen got the f out of dodge as fast as he did.

And people wonder if there's still doping?

Look at that list. A bit skewed in LA's favour, but I'm sure the rough pay structure is the same as on any team.

Imagine this: You're young and talented. Get picked up for the same money you could make being a good brick-layer back home in East Bumble. The guys around you are making SO much more, but you know you can be at least as strong as them...

 

[hrotha]

Hello, he was a neo pro.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

That was my point.

 

[hrotha]

I wasn't replying to you, your post wasn't there yet when I clicked on the reply button. It was more for Monkey and Hog.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

I figured it wasn't for me, but I didn't mind reiterating.

Cheers.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Robbie Ventura made more than Boonen