Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[D-Queued]

Robbie Ventura made more than Boonen

But was the only rider to see a consistent year-over-year decline in salary.

Guess that qualified him to displace Frankie on Versus.

Commentary that could often be charitably described as 'fawning idiot', which somehow seems to align with the differential treatment on salary.

Dave.

 

[Morbius]

That list looks like clear evidence of team-wide doping.
There was no need to pay much to hang on to key domestiques as they could always make another one.

 

[Fatclimber]

Enlightening

Big George very overpaid. Gold Medal winner Eki didn't seem to rate very high along with Z, but I guess Z had yet to display his potential.

Where's Acevedo's name, was he paid under the table? (New accounting conspiracy)

 

[roundabout]

It's a document from 2003 as far as I can tell. Azevedo joined in 2004.

 

[blackcat]

Big George very overpaid. Gold Medal winner Eki didn't seem to rate very high along with Z, but I guess Z had yet to display his potential.

Where's Acevedo's name, was he paid under the table? (New accounting conspiracy)

USPS always arbitraged their salary budget by getting Spaniards as the key domestiques. or portuguese. if the correct riders who came along from colombia and had a culture fit, ie. they brought all the bring your own blow to Yellow Rose, they would have been in too.

 

[blackcat]

USPS wages via @KeithJamesMc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2803akn&s=5#.Uq7mdvuKaoo

Lance took more than the rest of his team combined in some years. Total ******, the guy who would make Hamilton pay out of his own pocket to 'finance' a bunch of Spanish dopers.

The more I think about it, the more I wish this guy loses every last cent and then some.

was kierkegaard writing fear and trembling on the postal bus?

oh, that was michael barry, sry

 

[blackcat]

USPS wages via @KeithJamesMc.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2803akn&s=5#.Uq7mdvuKaoo

Lance took more than the rest of his team combined in some years. Total ******, the guy who would make Hamilton pay out of his own pocket to 'finance' a bunch of Spanish dopers.

The more I think about it, the more I wish this guy loses every last cent and then some.

did Klinger's 50k all go on that tribal face tattoo?

 

[blackcat]

Vande Velde had a good agent

or a good lactic acid test if we believe JV. that is "if".

more like some good acid

 

[blackcat]

What did I miss? What happened between Basso and LA?

Thanks in advance for enlightening me...

P.S.: I liked the ESPN interview, unlike most of the clinic members. Even tough he tried to show himself in a good light, at least he didn´t gave answers that pleases everybody (good responses about cycling being the lone scapegoat, that he´d take Epo again in the same situation in the 90s, etc.)

Basso would fall down and play dead on a climb.

It makes sense that Riis knew what watts Basso was doing, and his faux dropping.

 

[blackcat]

The deal was to help Basso's grandmother. Armstrong arranged for a Doctor to fly out and see her in Italy when she had cancer. So the story goes.

mom, not grandmom

(i think. will stand corrected if not right however)

 

[MonkeyFace]

Hello, he was a neo pro.

Neo pro who finished 3rd at Paris Roubiax. Everyone knew how strong he was. Someone doesn't accidentally get third in PR. Brunyeel likely knew that he was stronger than Hincapie from the beginning.

 

[Fatclimber]

That list looks like clear evidence of team-wide doping.
There was no need to pay much to hang on to key domestiques as they could always make another one.

Yes, very humorous. They may as well just put 4-5 "John Doe's" on the TDF roster, to be filled with Western European riders. Then 1 token American, aside from la & George.

I wonder if Hog was in charge of background checks for potential teammates to verify lack of character or if lance did that himself. I am impressed at how much some got at the expense of their souls.

Something to think about:

In '04, Z's salary was 1.4% of Armstrong's. In '05 Z beat lance in the TDF TT in his first year at CSC. My goodness how dope distorts things.

 

[Ferminal]

Neo pro who finished 3rd at Paris Roubiax. Everyone knew how strong he was. Someone doesn't accidentally get third in PR. Brunyeel likely knew that he was stronger than Hincapie from the beginning.

So they were going to tear up his existing contract in April 2002 because he finished third in P-R?

 

[MonkeyFace]

So they were going to tear up his existing contract in April 2002 because he finished third in P-R?

Renegotiate it or just let him go. Paying someone 1/20th what they are worth only creates resentment, which will prevent a resigning from ever happening or any real commitment to doing domestique work.

 

[manafana]

The Armstrong salary things reminds me alot of guys in yank sports eating up all the cap space to pay rest of the team peanuts.

 

[42x16ss]

when i saw Overcoming on its release, i was already in confirmation bias phase. I did not think that Basso could possibly fall over like one of don king's boxers in a fixed vegas fight.

say it aint so joe

Yeah, I remember the '04 Tour well. I remember watching Basso and Sastre ganging up on Armstrong and thinking "Wow, this may finally be the year!"

Going back and watching Overcoming now, I realise just how wrong I was. I'd love to know what was discussed in the phone call the night before Armstrong's stage win

 

[skidmark]

Renegotiate it or just let him go. Paying someone 1/20th what they are worth only creates resentment, which will prevent a resigning from ever happening or any real commitment to doing domestique work.

Has this ever happened in cycling mid-year? I truly don't know, but it seems like it would be terrible business to renegotiate a contract mid-year. That's why contracts exist, to prevent uncertainty throughout a year.

 

[Ferminal]

Has this ever happened in cycling mid-year? I truly don't know, but it seems like it would be terrible business to renegotiate a contract mid-year. That's why contracts exist, to prevent uncertainty throughout a year.

Even if there was mutual agreement to void the contract, it would also mean not racing for months nor earning any salary e.g. Petacchi.

 

[MonkeyFace]

Has this ever happened in cycling mid-year? I truly don't know, but it seems like it would be terrible business to renegotiate a contract mid-year. That's why contracts exist, to prevent uncertainty throughout a year.

You could probably get a sponsor just because of Boonen. The best belgium classsics rider since Museeuw and better than Museeuw.

 

[Benotti69]

You could probably get a sponsor just because of Boonen. The best belgium classsics rider since Museeuw and better than Museeuw.

That is why he Bruyneel kept Boonen

Bruyneel and USPS weren't interested in anything apart from 3 weeks in July so Boonen did the smart thing. But i doubt in 2002 Boonen brought sponsors to USPS.

 

[86TDFWinner]

LOL, Saw this & had to laugh(sorry if it's been posted before), what a huge fraud he was from the beginning\(love the lady in the bieginning who says" Wonderboy is the greatest cheater in cycling history"):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsOzifZigaY

 

[MonkeyFace]

That is why he Bruyneel kept Boonen

Bruyneel and USPS weren't interested in anything apart from 3 weeks in July so Boonen did the smart thing. But i doubt in 2002 Boonen brought sponsors to USPS.

You are entitled to your opinion, just like I am. I remember Musseuw talking about handing over the reigns after the race. Boonen didn't even initially ride the race for himself. He likely had a very good chance at 2nd place had he started the race as team captain. Also, USPS didn't own the team. Tailwind Sports did. In my opinion, Tailwind could have found another sponsor with what Boonen did as a neo-pro. It was even then apparent that Boonen would win the race eventually and likely more than once. PR is an older man's race that people mature into so a 22 year old place well shows a lot.

 

[Pazuzu]

...(love the lady in the beginning who says" Wonderboy is the greatest cheater in cycling history"):

That'd be New York Times sports journalist Juliet Macur. She has a book on Armstrong coming out in February or March. One can only hope she does a better job than Reed Albergotti and Vanessa O’Connell (in Wheelman) in adding some insight into exactly why Birotte dropped the federal investigation.

My favorite quote from the movie was the guy who stated that Lance's biggest mistake was turning his back on Floyd Landis in 2009.
Payback's a b!tch'!

 

[86TDFWinner]

That'd be New York Times sports journalist Juliet Macur. She has a book on Armstrong coming out in February or March. One can only hope she does a better job than Reed Albergotti and Vanessa O’Connell (in Wheelman) in adding some insight into exactly why Birotte dropped the federal investigation.

My favorite quote from the movie was the guy who stated that Lance's biggest mistake was turning his back on Floyd Landis in 2009.
Payback's a b!tch'!

Great post! However, are you saying to stay away from reading Wheelman?

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

PR is an older man's race that people mature into so a 22 year old place well shows a lot.

Martijn Maaskant disagrees
Or he's the exception that proves the rule, of course