Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Oldman]

Good to see things 'getting done' in their usual, speedy fashion. When is the typical point that investigators decide there's not enough evidence to proceed and drop it and not release any information, 5 years? Almost there.

A lot of what Travis found was no doubt confirmed by Interpol and other nations cooperation. That they each work out their legalities carefully would seem to be important. Getting a sporting conviction in Spain has appeared to be a near impossibility although the IOC expects them to clean up their act.

 

[Fatclimber]

A lot of what Travis found was no doubt confirmed by Interpol and other nations cooperation. That they each work out their legalities carefully would seem to be important. Getting a sporting conviction in Spain has appeared to be a near impossibility although the IOC expects them to clean up their act.

Yes I remember reading Novitsky was dealing with authorities abroad. I like your theory about carefully getting things in order, despite not believing that's what's going on. I don't know what better of a smoking gun you could ask for than possession of guilty individuals bags of blood, but even with that they couldn't do anything in '06. That's the precedent for me.

 

[Athame]

__________"It was an unfortunate era… and, you know,
__________nobody’s stood up to claim them.”


Armstrong with a nice little slighted and nuanced reference to the riders
closest to him in overal gc during his 99-05 reign.

 

[ustabe]

The fallow nature of Lance's 'Forgive Me' roadshow:

http://theouterline.com/?p=396

I think the F-word you want is flaccid.

 

[ustabe]

__________"It was an unfortunate era… and, you know,
__________nobody’s stood up to claim them.”


Armstrong with a nice little slighted and nuanced reference to the riders
closest to him in overal gc during his 99-05 reign.

"But others were doing it too," never works on the cop who stops you for speeding, or the the judge. Same with USADA.

 

[Stingray34]

I think the F-word you want is flaccid.

I think I meant to write 'callow' but was thinking of 'effing callow' and I tend to be a bit of a spooner. But yes, flaccid will do nicely.

 

[frenchfry]

"But others were doing it too," never works on the cop who stops you for speeding, or the the judge. Same with USADA.

Indeed the final judgment won't be made by his remaining fanboys, but rather by those who are totally conscious of why the initial lifetime ban was imposed.

Unless UCI is coerced into making a political statement in order to justify some sort of T&R commission. I hope they aren't weak enough to do something stupid.

 

[blackcat]

"But others were doing it too," never works on the cop who stops you for speeding, or the the judge. Same with USADA.

unless you are hot, and a chick

 

[blackcat]

I think I meant to write 'callow' but was thinking of 'effing callow' and I tend to be a bit of a spooner. But yes, flaccid will do nicely.

an empty land worked fine for me

 

[86TDFWinner]

"But others were doing it too," never works on the cop who stops you for speeding, or the the judge. Same with USADA.

The problem with Wonderboy though is, he still hangs on this way of thinking.

 

[MarkvW]

"But others were doing it too," never works on the cop who stops you for speeding, or the the judge. Same with USADA.

The sport needs to catch its token dopers so that after each inevitable big scandal it can proclaim that "we've turned the corner," "it's a new era," and "we have to give the young riders a chance."

It's ridiculous to focus the doping blame on individual riders when T-Mobile, Rabobank, USPS, Phonak, Liberty Seguros, Festina, Gerolsteiner, (and on and on and on) demonstrate that doping, like the "sport" itself, is a team endeavor.

Teams pressure riders to dope and we keep ragging on the riders? Come on now! Pro riders are powerless eunuchs. Most of them depend upon cycling for their total future livelihood and life-goals, and the teams exploit that to the maximum. The doping cyclists are obvious victims in this scenario. The over-controlling Lance Armstrong is a rare exception that proves the rule.

Catch a doper, ban his or her team.

 

[Oldman]

The sport needs to catch its token dopers so that after each inevitable big scandal it can proclaim that "we've turned the corner," "it's a new era," and "we have to give the young riders a chance."

It's ridiculous to focus the doping blame on individual riders when T-Mobile, Rabobank, USPS, Phonak, Liberty Seguros, Festina, Gerolsteiner, (and on and on and on) demonstrate that doping, like the "sport" itself, is a team endeavor.

Teams pressure riders to dope and we keep ragging on the riders? Come on now! Pro riders are powerless eunuchs. Most of them depend upon cycling for their total future livelihood and life-goals, and the teams exploit that to the maximum. The doping cyclists are obvious victims in this scenario. The over-controlling Lance Armstrong is a rare exception that proves the rule.

Catch a doper, ban his or her team.

We debated the tactic of banning the teams or making them pay massive fines. I like the latter...the cash goes into an escrow account until the matter is resolved with the rider sitting out. The team and rider each would post a share of the fine....

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I was reading Wheelmen last night and came across the anecdote where according to Landis, Lance drove the lads to the strip club and then disappeared into a back room with two of them plus a couple of lines of white powder that looked suspiciously like Cocaine.

Lance was quite the lad in his heyday.

 

[blackcat]

Lance was quite the lad in his heyday.

as if that behaviour has stopped.

it just stopped with matthew mconnaughey, cos mconnaughey sees him now as damaged good and not a character to be hanging with fellow meretriciouc celeb types

 

[Maxiton]

The sport needs to catch its token dopers so that after each inevitable big scandal it can proclaim that "we've turned the corner," "it's a new era," and "we have to give the young riders a chance."

It's ridiculous to focus the doping blame on individual riders when T-Mobile, Rabobank, USPS, Phonak, Liberty Seguros, Festina, Gerolsteiner, (and on and on and on) demonstrate that doping, like the "sport" itself, is a team endeavor.

Teams pressure riders to dope and we keep ragging on the riders? Come on now! Pro riders are powerless eunuchs. Most of them depend upon cycling for their total future livelihood and life-goals, and the teams exploit that to the maximum. The doping cyclists are obvious victims in this scenario. The over-controlling Lance Armstrong is a rare exception that proves the rule.

Catch a doper, ban his or her team.

Ditto this.

 

[thehog]

Ditto this.

Lance still doing what's right. Good on him. The Gulf Stream is gone so he deserves to hold onto this $12m.

The day before New Year’s Eve, Armstrong and Tailwind’s attorneys filed separate motions to stay the arbitration proceedings.

Armstrong and Tailwind claim that SCA gave up its right to that money in 2006, when they resolved following two years’ worth of litigation.

In 2004 SCA went to court in an attempt to keep from paying the bonus money when the cyclist’s friends and associates began going public with their doping allegations, which Armstrong finally copped to at the beginning of 2013 during his sitdown with Oprah Winfrey. During that courthouse tussle, Armstrong told SCA attorney Jeff Tillotson under oath that “I race the bike straight up fair and square.” That proved to be anything but the truth.

Just as the arbitration panel was preparing to rule, SCA, Armstrong and Tailwind settled their dispute, signing a compromise settlement agreement on February 8, 2006, that says, in part, that “no party my challenge, appeal or attempt to set aside the Arbitration Award.” As far as Armstrong’s attorneys are concerned, that’s the end of the story — and the end of the lawsuit.

But in a ruling signed on October 29 and made public Monday, attorneys Richard Faulkner and Richard Chernick disagree, calling the settlement agreement little more than “the private equivalent of temporary ‘cease-fire.’” Wrote Faulkner and Chernick, “Hostilities between these parties resumed and continued as anticipated albeit at varying intensity. … The ability of both tribunals to address and determine disputes within the parameters of the parties’ agreements is unquestioned.”

In a dissenting opinion signed December 17, Lyons wrote that the three-member arbitration panel does not have the jurisdiction to “re-decide claims that were resolved seven years ago.” Notes Lyon, “What Armstrong did, if true, is morally reprehensible, but the law does not allow this Panel to address it at this time.”

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...ing-06-agreement-that-paid-him-millions.html/

 

[ChewbaccaD]

"But in court documents filed Monday, Armstrong’s attorneys reveal that two members of a three-arbitrator panel voted at the end of October to reconvene in order to address SCA’s claims related to Armstrong’s 2002, ’03 and ’04 Tour de France victories."

"But in a ruling signed on October 29 and made public Monday, attorneys Richard Faulkner and Richard Chernick disagree, calling the settlement agreement little more than “the private equivalent of temporary ‘cease-fire.’” Wrote Faulkner and Chernick, “Hostilities between these parties resumed and continued as anticipated albeit at varying intensity. … The ability of both tribunals to address and determine disputes within the parameters of the parties’ agreements is unquestioned.”

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...ing-06-agreement-that-paid-him-millions.html/

Hey MarkvW, those footsteps are getting closer and closer. Your suggestion that the SCA case was ironclad, shut, nobody gonna' ever open it again looks more and more like just about every proclamation you make, that being just plain wrong. Don't think I forgot. You're gonna take one on the chin when this all fleshes out, as will the others here who proclaimed that the extrensic fraud alleged was insufficient to have this settlement agreement re-opened.

 

[Athame]

... a rare exception that proves the rule.

__________________ hu?

 

[thehog]

"But in court documents filed Monday, Armstrong’s attorneys reveal that two members of a three-arbitrator panel voted at the end of October to reconvene in order to address SCA’s claims related to Armstrong’s 2002, ’03 and ’04 Tour de France victories."

"But in a ruling signed on October 29 and made public Monday, attorneys Richard Faulkner and Richard Chernick disagree, calling the settlement agreement little more than “the private equivalent of temporary ‘cease-fire.’” Wrote Faulkner and Chernick, “Hostilities between these parties resumed and continued as anticipated albeit at varying intensity. … The ability of both tribunals to address and determine disputes within the parameters of the parties’ agreements is unquestioned.”

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...ing-06-agreement-that-paid-him-millions.html/

Hey MarkvW, those footsteps are getting closer and closer. Your suggestion that the SCA case was ironclad, shut, nobody gonna' ever open it again looks more and more like just about every proclamation you make, that being just plain wrong. Don't think I forgot. You're gonna take one on the chin when this all fleshes out, as will the others here who proclaimed that the extrensic fraud alleged was insufficient to have this settlement agreement re-opened.

Appears to me that if Armstrong does not settle with SCA he's open to a defamation suit?

12m might not be enough to settle this baby.

SCA boiled its case down to two points: first, that Armstrong told a "critical" lie under oath in saying that he had "never, ever" used performance-enhancing drugs in his entire career. Second, that the defendants allegedly assured SCA and the arbitrators that if Armstrong had cheated, and was subsequently stripped of his Tour titles, he would be obligated to refund the prize money paid by SCA.

"This lawsuit is being brought because the first statement was a deliberate lie perpetuated by Mr. Armstrong and his cohorts in order to win the Tour de France races and, now that he has been exposed and stripped of those titles, it is time to make him live up to what he said in the second statement," the complaint stated. Armstrong also attacked anyone who questioned him about doping, causing SCA to lose substantial amounts of business and suffer damage to its reputation, the insurer claimed.

"Mr. Armstrong's camp immediately denounced SCA as 'shameless,' untruthful, and a cheat," its complaint stated. "In an effort to intimidate SCA by hurting its business, Mr. Armstrong and defendant Tailwind (aided by Bill Stapleton) took out an advertisement to publicly humiliate SCA and to proclaim Mr. Armstrong's innocence in connection with any drug use." (Parentheses in complaint.)

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/01/06/64273.htm

 

[Race Radio]

Bad few days for Lance.

What was supposed to be a 1/2 hearing for the Qui Tam Case yesterday turned into 3 hours. Knaggs and Stapleton's lawyer was begging to let them out of the case because it would take a lot of their time and cost them a lot of money Judge said no way. Might be more on the list....not fewer.

Judge clearly indicated in his questioning that the Government has a very good case. Even asked lance's lawyer why they would think any different.

SCA case is also going badly. Despite the efforts of lance's lawyer it is going to Arbitration. Not good.

In the recent reports there was reference to an add taken out by CSE/Stapleton in an effor to smear SCA. Here it is

http://www.scribd.com/doc/197155538/SCA-Sports-BusinessJournalAd-Lance

Nice to see Lance is not the only one in trouble

 

[mewmewmew13]

nice to see things come to fruition

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...uiry-to-press-on-without-Lance-Armstrong.html

The UCI commission will be launched tomorrow. This article says that Bruyneel, Armstrong, Verbruggen, and McQuaid will likely not participate.

Lance said this on Twitter

@lancearmstrong
I can also confirm that neither myself nor anyone on my team has been contacted by the UCI or the independent commission. cc @Telegraph

@lancearmstrong
To @Telegraph and @ben_rumsby, my position remains unchanged. i plan on cooperating openly & honestly w/ ANY UCI commission that contacts me

Again lance is playing the semantics game. His representatives have reached out to the UCI but he can pretend there has been no communication.

He is looking for special treatment but will not get it from the UCI. He will also have to deal not with the UCI but with USADA. Despite his claims to the contrary he will back out at the last minute, claim he cannot get a fair deal, and cry victim.

 

[mewmewmew13]

So we should expect another USADA smear campaign from Lance and crew…*sigh* …tiresome narcissist tactics

 

[Scott SoCal]

Bad few days for Lance.

What was supposed to be a 1/2 hearing for the Qui Tam Case yesterday turned into 3 hours. Knaggs and Stapleton's lawyer was begging to let them out of the case because it would take a lot of their time and cost them a lot of money Judge said no way. Might be more on the list....not fewer.

Judge clearly indicated in his questioning that the Government has a very good case. Even asked lance's lawyer why they would think any different.

SCA case is also going badly. Despite the efforts of lance's lawyer it is going to Arbitration. Not good.

In the recent reports there was reference to an add taken out by CSE/Stapleton in an effor to smear SCA. Here it is

http://www.scribd.com/doc/197155538/SCA-Sports-BusinessJournalAd-Lance

Nice to see Lance is not the only one in trouble

Seeing Stapleton fall would be awesome. Weisel falling would be better, but I ant gonna quibble.

 

[86TDFWinner]

So we should expect another USADA smear campaign from Lance and crew…*sigh* …tiresome narcissist tactics

'Fraid so, and you're right.