Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[sittingbison]

What about musical integrity?

that would be in the "musical integrity...or lack of" thread in the cafe

ps nice one Granville57

 

[Benotti69]

It is now

As DrMas has not bothered I will represent pedantism and point out that that looks like a Raven........

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Plus Sheryl did a 1 hour 26m for d'Huez!

I have a bit of a soft spot for Ms Crowe.

I don't like much of her music, but there are a few classics out there, including the Alpe D'Huex tribute number "Every day is a winding road".

If fact, it was Shezza who got me into cycling properly at the end of 2008. I'd injured myself once too often rowing earlier in the year and had to give it up. I was a mediocre age-group non-entity in search of a challenge. At a summer BBQ I got p*ssed with a mate who'd recently got into cycling and he made the profound observation: "If Sheryl Crowe can climb Alpe D'Huez in under 90 minutes then so can we." With these words, the die was well and truly cast!

Off-topic obviously, but I did my first ascent of the Alpe shaking from a caffeine overdose, so the Clinic seems a sensible place for the anecdote!

 

[ferryman]

I have a bit of a soft spot for Ms Crowe.

I don't like much of her music, but there are a few classics out there, including the Alpe D'Huex tribute number "Every day is a winding road".

If fact, it was Shezza who got me into cycling properly at the end of 2008. I'd injured myself once too often rowing earlier in the year and had to give it up. I was a mediocre age-group non-entity in search of a challenge. At a summer BBQ I got p*ssed with a mate who'd recently got into cycling and he made the profound observation: "If Sheryl Crowe can climb Alpe D'Huez in under 90 minutes then so can we." With these words, the die was well and truly cast!

Off-topic obviously, but I did my first ascent of the Alpe shaking from a caffeine overdose, so the Clinic seems a sensible place for the anecdote!

And your time was....

 

[movingtarget]

Armstrong related so I thought this was the best place for it. Nothing new but watchable.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3925528.htm

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Off-topic obviously, but I did my first ascent of the Alpe shaking from a caffeine overdose, so the Clinic seems a sensible place for the anecdote!

And your time was....

Caffeine doped time...?

 

[Ferminal]

Armstrong related so I thought this was the best place for it. Nothing new but watchable.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3925528.htm

lol that is embarrassing, getting Mick Rogers confused with CJL Rogers aside.

What is this "Armstrong problem". Whatever Armstrong is has all been said and done, I'm not sure many people care one way or the other. The Armstrong problem from a fan of the sport perspective was gone the day he retired. Him eventually getting his dues is icing on the cake for many (myself included) who thinks the guy is/was a sociopath.

There seems to be a universal attempt to paint any doping problem as an Armstrong problem. They wheel out a current rider who says it has all changed, and one of the greatest supporters of the Armstrong myth who says it has all changed, which even at face value fails to recognise Armstrong doping in 2009 (I mean he's right, he told Oprah he didn't do it). What kind of value are we supposed to put in the words of Mike Turtur, who for years said whatever was necessary to protect his "investment". Either Turtur was a moron who thought Armstrong was clean all along, or he was willfully deceptive. Yet it wouldn't happen again, Mike's inside knowledge is spot on this time; or he is sorry and only covered up doping once...err twice... and would never do it again, trust him.

To me it seems like a variation on what Walsh said. If you raise the possibility of doping it's because you were caught out by Armstrong, because only just 18 months ago we learned the doping occurs in cycling and now we don't know who to trust. At least this is how omerta is trying to control the message today. You don't really think we are doping, you just don't know if the "Armstrong problem" has disappeared, but don't worry it has, that was in the past.

 

[movingtarget]

lol that is embarrassing, getting Mick Rogers confused with CJL Rogers aside.

What is this "Armstrong problem". Whatever Armstrong is has all been said and done, I'm not sure many people care one way or the other. The Armstrong problem from a fan of the sport perspective was gone the day he retired. Him eventually getting his dues is icing on the cake for many (myself included) who thinks the guy is/was a sociopath.

There seems to be a universal attempt to paint any doping problem as an Armstrong problem. They wheel out a current rider who says it has all changed, and one of the greatest supporters of the Armstrong myth who says it has all changed, which even at face value fails to recognise Armstrong doping in 2009 (I mean he's right, he told Oprah he didn't do it). What kind of value are we supposed to put in the words of Mike Turtur, who for years said whatever was necessary to protect his "investment". Either Turtur was a moron who thought Armstrong was clean all along, or he was willfully deceptive. Yet it wouldn't happen again, Mike's inside knowledge is spot on this time; or he is sorry and only covered up doping once...err twice... and would never do it again, trust him.

To me it seems like a variation on what Walsh said. If you raise the possibility of doping it's because you were caught out by Armstrong, because only just 18 months ago we learned the doping occurs in cycling and now we don't know who to trust. At least this is how omerta is trying to control the message today. You don't really think we are doping, you just don't know if the "Armstrong problem" has disappeared, but don't worry it has, that was in the past.

The best comment was saved till last. Some good people are trying to fix things and you have to be naive to think that doping does not occur in most sports. Maybe not in curling if that is actually a sport. Looks more like cleaning to me. But the attitudes of some of the younger riders is odd. If they were angry I could understand it but by matter of factly stating that the sport is much cleaner it's almost like like are mouthing a press release or something. Even the assertions that doping controls are more effective now is open to debate. I'm not sure what to make of Turtur. He is either a consummate liar or a complete fool. Possibly a bit of both.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The best comment was saved till last. Some good people are trying to fix things and you have to be naive to think that doping does not occur in most sports. Maybe not in curling if that is actually a sport. Looks more like cleaning to me.

I did that kind of research a couple of years ago, but here's something from June 2013:

A member of the Canadian team that won silver at the men’s world curling championships has been suspended for two years after testing positive for a banned substance.

Matt Dumontelle, the alternate on Brad Jacobs’s rink, tested positive for the banned substance methandienone, an anabolic steroid, in a test following the world gold-medal game.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...st-rink-suspended-for-doping/article12948139/

But it gets even better:

Jim Armstrong, a member of the Canadian Curling Hall of Fame and skip of Canada's 2010 Paralympic gold medal team, will be suspended for 18 months after failing a drug test in December.

http://deadspin.com/5893881/what-is-going-on-with-all-the-doping-in-wheelchair-curling

 

[ralphbert]

Ha ha roller doper. Hilarious.

 

[Dallas_]

Ha ha roller doper. Hilarious.

Sitting on the sidelines, reading the SC discussion, reinforces my current and future actions:

.
I will never enter a bike shop selling Trek.

Oakley sunglasses will never be an option to buy.

Even though I like a couple of her songs, me buying her music will never happen.

The largest sporting goods retailer in my town has a Livestrong stand. Never stepping
through their doors again.

What goes around comes around.
.

Do you support the enablers !! --> ?
.

cheers from the junior member of clinic 12

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

And your time was....

77:15 (to the Tour finish) on a 1997 Rockhopper MTB (on 1.5 inch slicks) weighing in at 13kg!

Last summer's effort on a carbon road bike was 10 minutes faster. This gets into the top third on Strava, which I like to think isn't bad for someone nearer 50 than 40 with a back less resilient than balsa wood and jelly.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

But it gets even better:


Jim Armstrong, a member of the Canadian Curling Hall of Fame and skip of Canada's 2010 Paralympic gold medal team, will be suspended for 18 months after failing a drug test in December.

http://deadspin.com/5893881/what-is-...lchair-curling

Can we conclusively state everybody with the name Armstrong dopes?

 

[movingtarget]

I did that kind of research a couple of years ago, but here's something from June 2013:



But it gets even better:

Dear God if Curling is that competitive and cutthroat what hope for endurance sports !

 

[Stingray34]

I got to the top of the Alpe in just under 14 hours. Should I kill myself? Should I apologise to the 16 prostitutes I pleasured on the way up...er, he he.

 

[Stingray34]

Can we conclusively state everybody with the name Armstrong dopes?

One small step for man, one giant leap for Ferrari clients.

 

[veganrob]

I got to the top of the Alpe in just under 14 hours. Should I kill myself? Should I apologise to the 16 prostitutes I pleasured on the way up...er, he he.

So you were keeping it up while you were getting down!

My man.

 

[mybike45]

Don't forget nike, Giro, yellow wrist bands.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I will never enter a bike shop selling Trek.

Never say never. What happens if you enter a shop in the belief it doesn't sell Treks but it does? Doubtless you'll exit asap, but this wouldn't change the fact that the statement above was a lie and we'd all have to conclude you were a doper, an alcoholic and in love with Lance Armstrong. (All these have been concluded from Wiggo's inconsistent statements, so you do need to be careful.)

 

[gooner]

Interview with Lance on USA TODAY.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2014/01/16/lance-armstrong-doping-confession/4509971/?

 

[neineinei]

Interview with Lance on USA TODAY.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2014/01/16/lance-armstrong-doping-confession/4509971/?

I said I'm sorry and I meant it.

But then, the next minute, he didn't mean it anymore.

Haven't seen any press coverage of the stop at Simeonis at the apology tour. Lance might still be kissing his *** every day.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Don't forget nike, Giro, yellow wrist bands.

And air, too. I have it on good authority Lance 'won' every last one of those TdFs using air. If we all stop using it, they'll have to go out of bidness.

 

[frenchfry]

You're starting to rant and ramble. Slow down my friend.

I'll ask again. What is it you were expecting her to do? and what would have you've done in the same situation?

Is it really too much to ask for people to have a minimum of moral values? Which apparently Crow doesn't.

 

[Race Radio]

Is it really too much to ask for people to have a minimum of moral values? Which apparently Crow doesn't.

Shhhh, we are not supposed to talk about Ms Crow anymore.

Perfectly fine to call Kristen a drug mule or Stephanie a liar but Crow is off limits. So what if she said nothing while Armstrong stole $7,000,000 from SCA? So what if she was one of the few who were there for the transfusions? Who cares if she knew leMond, Betsy, Tyler, and Floyd were telling the truth but let them fry?

She sold records and that makes her off limits.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Shhhh, we are not supposed to talk about Ms Crow anymore.

Perfectly fine to call Kristen a drug mule or Stephanie a liar but Crow is off limits. So what if she said nothing while Armstrong stole $7,000,000 from SCA? So what if she was one of the few who were there for the transfusions? Who cares if she knew leMond, Betsy, Tyler, and Floyd were telling the truth but let them fry?

She sold records and that makes her off limits.

Hoggie and Sheryl Crow +\- Lance Armstrong and Sally Jenkins.

It is what it is.