Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[DirtyWorks]

I bet he doesn't, he probably just feels hate to those who placed him there.

Exactly. In the friendliest terms possible, "Why do they hate winners like me? Let them go be losers that follow dumb rules and leave me and my greatness alone."

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Raceradio used to say " It's not my fault that your hero is going to jail" to the lance supporters, so RR is he going to jail?. Not being a wise *** or sorry if it comes off as snarky.

 

[ebandit]

ask yersel?

Raceradio used to say " It's not my fault that your hero is going to jail" to the lance supporters, so RR is he going to jail?. Not being a wise *** or sorry if it comes off as snarky.

zam? do you think lance deserves jail..............i feel although he has done enough to earn such a stay what purpose would be served?

losing his $ and being a sporting pariah seems adequate justice to myself

Mark L

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I don't think he deserves jail time unless perjury is jail going offense.

 

[MarkvW]

I don't think he deserves jail time unless perjury is jail going offense.

Nothing criminal appears to be on the horizon at this time.

 

[frenchfry]

Best Tim interview!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/lance-s-lawyer-armstrong-didn-t-betray-me-gfgtoT86RXCF6Ig0Sa03Hw.html

I had to have a shower after watching that, there was slime oozing out of my computer.

The interviewer was great, no (baby cat)footing there.

 

[Race Radio]

Raceradio used to say " It's not my fault that your hero is going to jail" to the lance supporters, so RR is he going to jail?. Not being a wise *** or sorry if it comes off as snarky.

There is an open and ongoing criminal investigation into Lance for obstruction, Witness intimidation, and intimidation. This is separate from the Birotte case that was shut down due to political interference. I don't know if it will ever result in charges

 

[Benotti69]

Is it just me, or is the video on that page dead?

Yep, dead now.

 

[MarkvW]

So a federal criminal investigation of Lance isn't just "open!" It's "ongoing!"

No facts to support that.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So a federal criminal investigation of Lance isn't just "open!" It's "ongoing!"

No facts to support that.

Well, an investigation was opened this time last year.

According to the source, who agreed to speak on the condition that his name and position were not used because of the sensitivity of the matter, "Agents are actively investigating Armstrong for obstruction, witness tampering and intimidation."

An email to an attorney for Armstrong was not immediately returned.

Unless you have something to show it has been shut-down then one can conclude it is ongoing.

 

[MarkvW]

Well, an investigation was opened this time last year.

Unless you have something to show it has been shut-down then one can conclude it is ongoing.

One can conclude anything one wants, but one should not assume that investigations remain ongoing forever.

It's most likely that whatever investigation has been done has already been terminated or submitted to the US Attorney. I can't imagine what more investigation the feds need to do to decide whether or not they can make a case against Lance Armstrong. It's not like Armstrong's obstructing acts were particularly difficult to investigate.

Obstructing also has a five year statute of limitations, and there's likely no room for "tolling," or RICO, or "conspiracy" extensions.

It would also be very unusual for an obstruction prosecution to parallel a civil case where the feds are seeking a lot of money. It is inappropriate and unwise to use a criminal case as a wedge to seek money in a civil case, or to appear to do so.

The public announcement of the termination of Birotte's criminal investigation was unusual. You shouldn't expect anything similar from another investigation. One of the problems with Birotte's case that prompted his announcement might have been leaks. There is some reason to believe that the investigators in Birotte's case may not have been professional. Remember the statements in the media that some people involved in the investigation were surprised by Birotte's decision and thought there was enough evidence to go further--such statements should never have been made.

The only way anyone would know whether an investigation is closed or open would be if that person had access to the FBI case files or could identify a recent investigative act (contacting a person, summoning a person to a GJ, etc.). Otherwise, we're simply looking at a "Tuesday" kind of announcement. Or maybe the person making the claim is just trying to aggravate Lance Armstrong.

There might be an investigation right now or there might not. (Sorry about the gray area, Dr. Maserati). The facts point more to the latter than to the former.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

One can conclude anything one wants, but one should not assume that investigations remain ongoing forever.

No-one did, Mark.

It's most likely that whatever investigation has been done has already been terminated or submitted to the US Attorney. I can't imagine what more investigation the feds need to do to decide whether or not they can make a case against Lance Armstrong. It's not like Armstrong's obstructing acts were particularly difficult to investigate.

Obstructing also has a five year statute of limitations, and there's likely no room for "tolling," or RICO, or "conspiracy" extensions.

It would also be very unusual for an obstruction prosecution to parallel a civil case where the feds are seeking a lot of money. It is inappropriate and unwise to use a criminal case as a wedge to seek money in a civil case, or to appear to do so.

The public announcement of the termination of Birotte's criminal investigation was unusual. You shouldn't expect anything similar from another investigation. One of the problems with Birotte's case that prompted his announcement might have been leaks. There is some reason to believe that the investigators in Birotte's case may not have been professional. Remember the statements in the media that some people involved in the investigation were surprised by Birotte's decision and thought there was enough evidence to go further--such statements should never have been made.

The only way anyone would know whether an investigation is closed or open would be if that person had access to the FBI case files or could identify a recent investigative act (contacting a person, summoning a person to a GJ, etc.). Otherwise, we're simply looking at a "Tuesday" kind of announcement. Or maybe the person making the claim is just trying to aggravate Lance Armstrong.

There might be an investigation right now or there might not. (Sorry about the gray area, Dr. Maserati). The facts point more to the latter than to the former.

But you didn't provide any facts. Just a long sermon.

There was an investigation opened this time last year, we have no "facts" to work out if it is closed, just your assumptions - which ultimately are in line with RRs post concluding that "I don't know if it will ever result in charges".

 

[Hugh Januss]

No-one did, Mark.


But you didn't provide any facts. Just a long sermon.

There was an investigation opened this time last year, we have no "facts" to work out if it is closed, just your assumptions - which ultimately are in line with RRs post concluding that "I don't know if it will ever result in charges".

Yes, but he wins on word content.

 

[DirtyWorks]

zam? do you think lance deserves jail..............i feel although he has done enough to earn such a stay what purpose would be served?

losing his $ and being a sporting pariah seems adequate justice to myself

Mark L

Well, he's not losing all the money. The judicial system is not set up to take everything and leave him in a rented double-wide in Plano.

The jail time question is a sociological one and probably not appropriate to the thread.

I'd prefer a felony conviction and some jail time. It has lingering effects.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Did you guys see this(pretty funny), really looking forward to this book:


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/s...e-for-lance-armstrong.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

His former sponsors — including Oakley, Trek Bicycle Corporation, RadioShack and Nike — have left him scrambling for money. He considers them traitors. He says Trek’s revenue was $100 million when he signed with the company and reached $1 billion in 2013.

“Who’s responsible for that?” he asks, before cursing and saying, “Right here.” He pokes himself in the chest with his right index finger. “I’m sorry, but that is true. Without me, none of that happens.”

He sure didn't think of them this way when they were on his ball, and paying him though. This is what happens when you lie.....don't lie Wonderboy.

 

[Fatclimber]

Did you guys see this(pretty funny), really looking forward to this book:


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/s...e-for-lance-armstrong.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

....

Nice read. Too bad the access and the J.T. Neal tapes couldn't have gone to someone like Coyle though. When was it armstrong said he first started doping, '99 or '96? Pffft.

Nice quote: "What we did was tread the fine line of dropping dead on your bike and winning"

 

[Race Radio]

One can conclude anything one wants, but one should not assume that investigations remain ongoing forever.

It's most likely that whatever investigation has been done has already been terminated or submitted to the US Attorney. I can't imagine what more investigation the feds need to do to decide whether or not they can make a case against Lance Armstrong. It's not like Armstrong's obstructing acts were particularly difficult to investigate.

Obstructing also has a five year statute of limitations, and there's likely no room for "tolling," or RICO, or "conspiracy" extensions.

It would also be very unusual for an obstruction prosecution to parallel a civil case where the feds are seeking a lot of money. It is inappropriate and unwise to use a criminal case as a wedge to seek money in a civil case, or to appear to do so.

The public announcement of the termination of Birotte's criminal investigation was unusual. You shouldn't expect anything similar from another investigation. One of the problems with Birotte's case that prompted his announcement might have been leaks. There is some reason to believe that the investigators in Birotte's case may not have been professional. Remember the statements in the media that some people involved in the investigation were surprised by Birotte's decision and thought there was enough evidence to go further--such statements should never have been made.

The only way anyone would know whether an investigation is closed or open would be if that person had access to the FBI case files or could identify a recent investigative act (contacting a person, summoning a person to a GJ, etc.). Otherwise, we're simply looking at a "Tuesday" kind of announcement. Or maybe the person making the claim is just trying to aggravate Lance Armstrong.

There might be an investigation right now or there might not. (Sorry about the gray area, Dr. Maserati). The facts point more to the latter than to the former.

The investigation is ongoing and Wonderboy's actions in the last 2 years add to the possibility to charges. You may think Wonderboy has been quite, far from it.

 

[Oldman]

The investigation is ongoing and Wonderboy's actions in the last 2 years add to the possibility to charges. You may think Wonderboy has been quite, far from it.

You mean quiet,right? He's been quite an a*s but Mark would be deaf and blind not to hear the constant revisionist lobbying. That can only mean he is not escaping that Hard Place and the Rock is heavier than he can lift.

 

[Race Radio]

You mean quiet,right? He's been quite an a*s but Mark would be deaf and blind not to hear the constant revisionist lobbying. That can only mean he is not escaping that Hard Place and the Rock is heavier than he can lift.

4 1/2 hours in the rain today, brain is fried.

Behind the scenes lance is up to his old tactics

 

[Race Radio]

Did you guys see this(pretty funny), really looking forward to this book:


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/s...e-for-lance-armstrong.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1



He sure didn't think of them this way when they were on his ball, and paying him though. This is what happens when you lie.....don't lie Wonderboy.

Hendershot.....finally

 

[TexPat]

Nice read. Too bad the access and the J.T. Neal tapes couldn't have gone to someone like Coyle though. When was it armstrong said he first started doping, '99 or '96? Pffft.

Nice quote: "What we did was tread the fine line of dropping dead on your bike and winning"

In all honesty, I've hardly led a sheltered life. Still, I cannot believe how little I knew about the background story in pro cycling. The more I know the more I'm disappointed by my own naïveté.

What a mess it is. Perhaps this is why I cannot get away from watching it unfold.
Good article. Thanks for the link.

 

[Race Radio]

In all honesty, I've hardly led a sheltered life. Still, I cannot believe how little I knew about the background story was in pro cycling. The more I know the more I'm disappointed by my own naïveté.

What a mess it is. Perhaps this is why I cannot get away from watching it unfold.
Good article. Thanks for the link.

Was talking to a friend last week and he was talking about when he first moved to Europe as a Pro and was at the Challenge Mallorca. He said it surprised him that all the staff looked like they belonged in prison, always a surprise to Americans. Cycling appears to be filled with carnies.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Hendershot.....finally

Ya, its good stuff by Juliet - while I didn't know his story he was well connected and yet no-one queried him, even though he is still in Colorado.

 

[mewmewmew13]

In all honesty, I've hardly led a sheltered life. Still, I cannot believe how little I knew about the background story was in pro cycling. The more I know the more I'm disappointed by my own naïveté.

What a mess it is. Perhaps this is why I cannot get away from watching it unfold.
Good article. Thanks for the link.

Yeah! The wealth of information that is coming through the pipeline at a fairly rapid pace...
a few 'backstories' here for sure

 

[mewmewmew13]

Was talking to a friend last week and he as talking about when he first moved to Europe as a Pro and was at the Challenge Mallorca. He said it surprised him that all the staff looked like they belonged in prison, always a surprise to Americans. Cycling appears to be filled with carnies.

and Lance fit in perfectly and seamlessly