Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[RobbieCanuck]

Not that I have read anything else but the headline (Yes I Feel Like I Won Those Races) in the link, but I'd probably feel the same way if I was in his shoes. I certainly wouldn't feel like a Tour winner if I was Klöden. Or Schleck.

I agree with you, if I was in Lance's shoes I too would think I won those races. I understand what he is saying when he says "we all played by the same rules" But what Lance ignores is several things,

1. Unlike the other riders he had the benefit of Ferrari's help and Ferrari really understood when and how to use the drugs to maximize their effect which gave the doper Lance an advantage over the other dopers. I am sure Ferrari helped other cyclists but clearly LA was his premier client.

2. Lance had the money to create the best and most efficient doping program, while the others did not have nearly the efficiency or sophistication in their programs (at least from what we know publicly)

3. We know scientifically that dope physiologically affects cyclists differently. Clearly Lance responded to dope physiologically as well as any athlete ever did, whereas others may not have benefitted to the same degree.

4. Lance's team-mates were also doped to the degree they could lead him up climbs without tiring - Hincapie for example who before dope couldn't climb a ladder but after dope the sky (no pun intended) was the limit.

 

[D-Queued]

Lance still saying he's a Tour winner.(video)

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...strong-Yes-I-Feel-Like-I-Won-Those-Races.html

It is, perhaps, somewhat amazing that Lance hasn't declared himself a winner of the Giro and Vuelta as well.

When you think you get to set the rules, you can declare anything you like.

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

It makes me happy to hear Armstrong is not changing. It means he still on a downward trajectory.

 

[neineinei]

In 30 years time he will be completley forgotten, and people who read the table of past TdF winners will wonder what war was going on in France 1999-2005 to leave a hole as big as that of WWII. That is his legacy; he had the same impact on the TdF winner table as a world war.

 

[Race Radio]

As expected judge dismissed Lance's attempt to block the SCA case

More failure

 

[Benotti69]

A great quote I just heard that could be applied to Armstrong;

He worships at the temple of his own narcissism

Original quote is from Marlon Brando talking about Burt Reynolds.

 

[Bosco10]

A great quote I just heard that could be applied to Armstrong;

He worships at the temple of his own narcissism

Original quote is from Marlon Brando talking about Burt Reynolds.

Marlon Brando said that? lol.. It takes one to know one.

 

[Cookster15]

The one positive thing I can say about Armstrong is he left no stone unturned. Unfortunately that extended to doping too. So for him to say it was a level playing field or everyone did it is wrong. He cheated better than everyone else. But because he knew others were cheating that helped protect him as fellow riders could not speak against him without possibly implicating themselves for their own doping.

I think Armstrong is already slowly being forgotton - but he knows this so he still loves air time in the media to promote himself. What a narcissist. To me he is now the emperor with no clothes. We all know it but he tries to pretend different.

 

[MarkvW]

Hown much will Lance pay to avoid deposition?

 

[Herbstrong]

Hown much will Lance pay to avoid deposition?

wasn't SCA seeking $15m?

 

[MarkvW]

wasn't SCA seeking $15m?

They'really asking for some things (like "sanctions") that they probably can't get, so my guess is that the number will be considerably less than the kitchen sink they're asking for.

My guess is that Lance will next try to get the arbitrators to limit the scope of the deposition to the facts surrounding the execution of the settlement agreement (avoiding all the sporting fraud stuff).

 

[Race Radio]

I expect Lance use his normal tactics, delay, delay, delay.

Lance will appeal to the Texas Supreme court. Delay the inevitable.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Will Lance's team mention how this may present an extreme 'hardship' on him if he has to testify?

 

[Race Radio]

Nice quote from SCA

"Mr. Armstrong engaged in rampant perjury and committed outrageous acts of witness intimidation in his lawsuit with SCA," SCA's attorney, Jeffrey Tillotson, told USA TODAY Sports Thursday. "With this opinion from the Court of Appeals, SCA will now proceed to have Mr. Armstrong punished for such conduct. "

 

[mewmewmew13]

WooYa!
I like Tillotson..he seems to possess a dry sardonic wit



I'm getting popcorn

 

[Race Radio]

Oh Brother.....Wonderboy just did an interview. Feels he won those races, everyone was doing (Everyone was doing blood bags?) and compares his blank years to the......no joke.....The War years that also don't have winners..

Says we should ask they guys he raced with......No Lance, we should ask Greg LeMond and Edwig van Hooydonk.

Says he won through diet and training, not drugs.

 

[BYOP88]

Seems all that Michelob Ultra is messing with his mind. I suggest he starts drinking Michelob Ultra Ultra Ultra lite.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/220189350/Opinion-SCA-case

Here is the judges opinion. Dismissed on jurisdiction and lance has to pay legal fees.

Some folks here thought that dragging this on will push SCA to settle. It won't. Every time Lance appeals, and loses, he has to pay SCA's legal fees......and his own.

Keep appealing Lance, Tillotson needs to put a pool in his vacation house.

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/220189350/Opinion-SCA-case

Here is the judges opinion. Dismissed on jurisdiction and lance has to pay legal fees.

Some folks here thought that dragging this on will push SCA to settle. It won't. Every time Lance appeals, and loses, he has to pay SCA's legal fees......and his own.

Keep appealing Lance, Tillotson needs to put a pool in his vacation house.

This is starting to get sweeter and sweeter.

Dave.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/220189350/Opinion-SCA-case

Here is the judges opinion. Dismissed on jurisdiction and lance has to pay legal fees.

Some folks here thought that dragging this on will push SCA to settle. It won't. Every time Lance appeals, and loses, he has to pay SCA's legal fees......and his own.

Keep appealing Lance, Tillotson needs to put a pool in his vacation house.

What I don't get is why Armstrong keeps throwing good money after bad on motions /appeals that any lawyer can see are going to fail, merely as a stalling tactic. Shouldn't the advice be - "The Texas Court of Appeal (TCA) does not have the jurisdiction to hear your appeal on this interlocutory issue Lance. Don't waste your money."

The TCA makes this pretty clear in their judgment that was the case and cited the appropriate law which one would have thought LA's lawyers would have read in advance of filing their appeal. It appears this is why the TCA ordered LA to pay costs, which includes the reasonable attorney fees of SCA, to slap his p##p## for what appeared to be a frivolous appeal.

IF Lance loses on the reconvened arbitration, THEN he may apply to the Texas District Court to overturn the arbitration award on a review, IF he has the grounds to do so.

But depending on the decision of the arbitration panel, he may not have any meritorious grounds to review the decision. I know that has never stopped Lance from making applications to the court before, but his track record in fighting USADA jurisdiction and now the right of the Arbitration Panel to reconvene and reconsider the case is pretty poor.

Running out of options!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Running out of options!

Fight Wonderboy! Fight! You are the real champion!!!

$$$$$$$$$

 

[MarkvW]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/220189350/Opinion-SCA-case

Here is the judges opinion. Dismissed on jurisdiction and lance has to pay legal fees.

Some folks here thought that dragging this on will push SCA to settle. It won't. Every time Lance appeals, and loses, he has to pay SCA's legal fees......and his own.

Keep appealing Lance, Tillotson needs to put a pool in his vacation house.

The order says that Lance has to pay the costs of the appeal. It doesn't say that Lance has to pay SCA's legal fees. Is there another order directing Lance to pay SCA's legal fees?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

The order says that Lance has to pay the costs of the appeal. It doesn't say that Lance has to pay SCA's legal fees. Is there another order directing Lance to pay SCA's legal fees?

I noticed that so I looked up the Texas rule and it states,

51.015. COSTS OF APPEAL. In the case of an appeal brought pursuant to Section 51.014(6), if the order appealed from is affirmed, the court of appeals shall order the appellant to pay all costs and reasonable attorney fees of the appeal; otherwise, each party shall be liable for and taxed its own costs of the appeal.

It may be that in Texas when the court orders costs it is implied it includes the attorney fees, but the rule does support your comment. Any Texas lawyers out there?

 

[Race Radio]

The order says that Lance has to pay the costs of the appeal. It doesn't say that Lance has to pay SCA's legal fees. Is there another order directing Lance to pay SCA's legal fees?

Um.....what it actually says is

It is ORDERED that appellee SCA PROMOTIONS, INC. recover its costs of this appeal from appellants LANCE ARMSTRONG AND TAILWIND SPORTS CORP

Do you really think that is just the cost of uploading the filing?......it isn't.

What are SCA's costs of the appeal? Legal fees. Filing fees. Maybe not gas for the private jet but Lance gotta pay.

Keep delaying lance. Delays are free for SCA

 

[MarkvW]

I noticed that so I looked up the Texas rule and it states,

51.015. COSTS OF APPEAL. In the case of an appeal brought pursuant to Section 51.014(6), if the order appealed from is affirmed, the court of appeals shall order the appellant to pay all costs and reasonable attorney fees of the appeal; otherwise, each party shall be liable for and taxed its own costs of the appeal.

It may be that in Texas when the court orders costs it is implied it includes the attorney fees, but the rule does support your comment. Any Texas lawyers out there?

Thanks! I did not know that!

51.014(6) applies to appeals of interlocutory orders. Didn't the Texas trial court enter a final order, though? I'm not sure.