So he mentions Motoman?
Odd wording for the "pay-offs" with "on occasion" contrasting with "many people"!
Odd wording for the "pay-offs" with "on occasion" contrasting with "many people"!
MarkvW said:
Yep, the wording loosely acknowledges confirms he's said on Opera and what the reasoned decision/FL/TH have said.
He dodged a lot of the details they were asking.
It was merely a, "Yes, that's true," to the public information.
The names involved are already known in documents.
FYI. New Julier Macur article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/11/s...ctant-step-in-a-sports-purification.html?_r=0
Herbstrong
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Fortyninefourteen said:
What lifetime ban could they give Motoman? Forbid him to come near any cyclist? That's somewhat harsh for an owner of a bike shop, isn't it? The only thing that sounds somewhat reasonable would be to retract his driving license. And that doesn't really make sense either.
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HSNHSN said:
Motoman can associate with lots of people, like Lance, but anybody registered with the UCI or any other WADA sanctioned sport cannot, in theory, be seen with the guy.. I recall USADA sanctioned "Motoman" but could not find him and did not know who he actually was. I could be wrong about that.
The case of an American Track and Field athlete medalling in London then praising a banned sports business manager because, "he's like family." DURING her medal-winning interview, during the Olympics, while the sports manager's ban was ongoing. It tells you how much power Nike has in Track and Field and how little anti-doping matters to the IOC and IAAF.
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Herbstrong said:
Carmichael deserved a ban the day after USADA was open for business. But, his transgressions predate USADA.
Wiesel, Och, Plant, very well deserve lifetime bans as well as jail time for fraud but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen.
Herbstrong said:
It would be sweeeeet if USADA went back and stripped all Weisel's results. And life-banned him too for good measure.
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Archibald said:
Not really especially when the "confession" comes more than a year after the Landis/Hamilton et al affidavits in the summer of 2012.
An analogy. A sees B shoot C and tells the police what he saw. B says to the police -"yep I shot C" As long as A has credibility, A's observation is just as strong as the admission by B insofar as evidence goes. Sure B's admission adds to what A saw (corroborates), but at the same time B's admission does not detract from what A saw. Ergo B's admission is old news.
In the Armstrong case USADA was certainly content with the credibility of what Landis/Hamilton and all the others said it their affidavits as to what they saw Ferrari do. So far no one has contradicted the affidavit evidence referred to in the Reasoned Decision viz a viz Ferrari.
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Sorry if it's been posted already:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...g-named-names-written-answers-doping/7532825/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...g-named-names-written-answers-doping/7532825/
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McLovin said:
If it had to do with Klöden, it sure didn't appear so in the movie. I never gave it any second thought. I just figured it all had to do with Johan's loyalty towards Wonderboy.
Anyway, it's an okay movie although we've seen the interviewees plenty of times elsewhere. I love the Ferrari footage though, where he times Armstrong at home with a stop watch and where he explains the ease with which he won the 05 Tour. He is a character.
Hemassist said:
Armstrong will choke and puke it all out before the end. Well, maybe not all of it. It will probably be something like the last episode of True Detective whereby those big enough to get caught in the net are caught but the really big fish are already out at sea and the small fry slip through. In this respect he's right, he's a scapegoat - the lone gunman.
He's hooped, there will be no redemption, nor should there be. Having said that he's merely a product of a system(s) that extend far, far, far beyond him. He played THE GAME (that rewards sociopathy) and won, and then he lost because he couldn't help himself enough to stop.
He should have taken up painting or chainsawing or cattle rustling or drug running (oh wait) in keeping with a great Texan (sociopathic) tradition.
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RobbieCanuck said:
Robbie posed an interesting question, and its been a bit of a slow day, so here is some further perspective. Perspective that ties directly to the current activities involving SCA.
Here are some extracts from Lance's original SCA deposition.
Given that his recent admission(s) about Ferrari, for example, are inconsistent with his testimony one would expect SCA attorney Tillotson to have a field day on the perjury evidence.
"...
Q. I haven't asked you, but given your past answers I know what it will be, but I need to ask you now. Did Doctor Ferrari ever suggest to you that you should use, take, or consider taking performance-enhancing drugs or substances?
A. Never. Absolutely not.
Q. Is there anything about your dealings with Doctor Ferrari over the decade or so that you've known him and dealt with him that would suggest to you that perhaps he was using or encouraging other athletes to use performance-enhancing drugs or substances?
A. No. In fact, to the contrary.
Q. Tell me what you mean by that when you to the contrary.
A. He's -- I know you're going to find this hard to believe, but he's, to me, totally clean, and totally ethical, believes in clean, fair sport, but produces great results with his athletes because he's -- he's so focused. But I never -- I never had a conversation with him regarding that.
…
Q. Of course. But, for example, for the 2005 Tour de France, you had no contact with Doctor Ferrari?
A. Of course not.
…
Q. But do you know -- some of his specific testimony regarding Doctor Ferrari telling (Simeoni) to use EPO and when to use EPO, do you know whether that's true or false from your own personal knowledge?
A. I wasn't there.
Q. Okay. If that was true, just posit with me for a second that was true, would you have severed your relationship with Doctor Ferrari if you knew that he had, in fact, recommended to another cycling athlete to use EPO?
A. If I was sitting in the room, and saw that happen --
..."
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Just to clarify his answer to the last question further
He ultimately says "Sure. Yeah"
As in, 'Yes, I would have severed my relationship with Doctor Ferrari if I knew that he had, in fact, recommended to another cyclist athlete to use EPO'
I could see one way that Lance could try and wriggle out of this lie. That would be for him to admit one lie, but not another.
In this case, he could claim that he had a doping exclusive relationship with Ferrari and that recommendations to another cyclist would be a breach.
However, the question from Tillotson was open and not specific to a point in time. Ferrari presumably had his own 'palmares' prior to the relationship with Lance, and his references such as Eddy & Axel Merckx would likely have confirmed how great he is at recommendations.
In other words, another Lance lie in his SCA deposition now confirmed by Lance himself.
Dave.
D-Queued said:
He ultimately says "Sure. Yeah"
As in, 'Yes, I would have severed my relationship with Doctor Ferrari if I knew that he had, in fact, recommended to another cyclist athlete to use EPO'
I could see one way that Lance could try and wriggle out of this lie. That would be for him to admit one lie, but not another.
In this case, he could claim that he had a doping exclusive relationship with Ferrari and that recommendations to another cyclist would be a breach.
However, the question from Tillotson was open and not specific to a point in time. Ferrari presumably had his own 'palmares' prior to the relationship with Lance, and his references such as Eddy & Axel Merckx would likely have confirmed how great he is at recommendations.
In other words, another Lance lie in his SCA deposition now confirmed by Lance himself.
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D-Queued said:
AAA care? Some judicial somebody/something in Texas? Nothing. Nobody.
I'm not disagreeing with you, and it would be great if something judicial happened.
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DirtyWorks said:
Unfortunately I am not familiar enough with what might occur, and what might happen. I have noted long ago that it remains in Lance's best interests to settle. Presumably he is playing the last of his legal technicality arguments.
With respect to people caring, or not, it is EXTREMELY refreshing that this thread hasn't filled up with nonsense, hyperbole and vitriol from a thousand interns over this discussion.
Given the history we have seen over the years, the silence is now deafening when such a major Lance lie is revealed.
So, to heck with whether the AAA cares or not. Based upon the lack of BS interference on this thread, it can only be concluded that Lance is finally waving the white flag.
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Vino attacks everyone said:
http://www.outsideonline.com/featur.../How-to-Fix-a-Flat--with-Lance-Armstrong.html
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fraserhughes said:
Inflating the tube with his mouth. Hmmm.....foreshadowing his time in cell block D?
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TourOfSardinia said:Lance doing some for the world of cycling at least!
Public Service Announcement: don't use your mouth to blow up tubes. It might explain a few things actually.
Interesting turn of events. He can be the champion of bike maintenance. The industry will just love him for that.
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DirtyWorks said:
He's trying to rehabilitate his character...**** him. Apologize to Greg, Mike, and Betsy...and many others, and then do a funny bike video. Until then, go **** yourself Lance.
fraserhughes said:
That bike is about as old as he is
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