Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[DirtyWorks]

Things starts to get interesting again. One of the guys Wonderboy missed, is Ochowicz. Would be interesting to know why that is the case.

Och and Wiesel were pals at some point. He served as president of the USA Cycling Board of Directors from 2002–2006 and Thom owned the federation by then. Och is still making money for the federation and the federations protect themselves first.

I have no idea what the situation is like now that the fraud story is finally implicating federation-level assistance.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Things starts to get interesting again. One of the guys Wonderboy missed, is Ochowicz. Would be interesting to know why that is the case.

Pretty sure its Mutually Assured Distruction.

 

[Fatclimber]

Yes and Emma has already admitted to this on numerous occasions. Where have you guys been...

Apologies, yes it's all coming back to me now. It's been going on for such a long time I'm happy to say the minute details and the level of importance is fading away.

 

[hektoren]

For the life of me I can't understand why ANYTHING uttered by the uniballer should be of interest to anyone other than parties with a vested financial interest in his downfall. I lost interest in him years ago, and absolutely nothing he says or does will change my mind. He is the epitome of a psychopath, and for caring, nurturing people all over the world, with at least half an ounce of empathy intact he's less than pocket-lint. Good riddance!

 

[DirtyWorks]

For the life of me I can't understand why ANYTHING uttered by the uniballer should be of interest to anyone ...

Because it's not *just* about Wonderboy. This is a multi-level, international, sports fraud that suggests the UCI was picking winners. So many people intimately involved in the fraud have gotten away with it, and far wealthier for it than just Armstrong.

The broader point being Armstrong's story is a symptom and his sanction was not a cure. The sports administration side of the sport is almost unchanged.

 

[TrackCynic]

It's also important because the people behind all of this are still heavily involved in, and controlling, our sport. Even at juniors' level, for god's sake. If you think Lance was a lone wolf in all this you are HIGHLY mistaken - the same people are still out there giving "guidance" to development teams.

 

[hektoren]

Because it's not *just* about Wonderboy. This is a multi-level, international, sports fraud that suggests the UCI was picking winners. So many people intimately involved in the fraud have gotten away with it, and far wealthier for it than just Armstrong.

The broader point being Armstrong's story is a symptom and his sanction was not a cure. The sports administration side of the sport is almost unchanged.

Well, AFAIK, Bruyneel, Ferrari, Fuentes, del Moral et al have all hade their comeuppance, regardless of anything stated "under oath" by Armstrong (as if anything uttered by him under oath today is different from and has more credence than any of his previous statements made under oath. He's still a pathological liar, and will remain so) . As for Ochowitz, Armstrong has kept mum, so the final verdict is still out. There's just not anything new here. Tom Weisel will weasel his way out of anything but he's nevertheless regarded as a liability within cycling these days (since setting up the Floyd Fairness Fund in 2006), so what's new? Motoman? Emma O'Reilly? Hardly newsworthy anymore.
No. Armstrong "spilling the beans" is as newsworthy as the final proof that a bear ****s in the woods. Move on! Nothing interesting here.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Move on! Nothing interesting here.

I agree that no new ground was covered. But, what are we moving onto? The sports federation hasn't changed a bit. The first half of Cookson's last speech to Sport Accord may as well have been written by McQuaid.

 

[D-Queued]

Well, AFAIK, Bruyneel, Ferrari, Fuentes, del Moral et al have all hade their comeuppance, regardless of anything stated "under oath" by Armstrong (as if anything uttered by him under oath today is different from and has more credence than any of his previous statements made under oath. He's still a pathological liar, and will remain so) . As for Ochowitz, Armstrong has kept mum, so the final verdict is still out. There's just not anything new here. Tom Weisel will weasel his way out of anything but he's nevertheless regarded as a liability within cycling these days (since setting up the Floyd Fairness Fund in 2006), so what's new? Motoman? Emma O'Reilly? Hardly newsworthy anymore.
No. Armstrong "spilling the beans" is as newsworthy as the final proof that a bear ****s in the woods. Move on! Nothing interesting here.

I recall that Motoman was approached to confirm his involvement and denied, denied, denied.

Thus, for me at least, this is new.

Dave.

 

[Samson777]

Och and Wiesel were pals at some point. He served as president of the USA Cycling Board of Directors from 2002–2006 and Thom owned the federation by then. Och is still making money for the federation and the federations protect themselves first.

I have no idea what the situation is like now that the fraud story is finally implicating federation-level assistance.

Hmm yes okay, thanks for input. That is one possible explanation I guess. It just seemed like something to notice, when wonderboy out so many and then still Och get a free pass.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Armstrong has not paid or offered to pay someone to keep his or others' doping a secret," he stated. "However, Armstrong has, on occasion, provided benefits or made contributions to many people and institutions, some of whom may have been aware of, or suspected Armstrong's use of performance-enhancing drugs and banned methods

He never extended his benefits to Flandis

Morally, there is a very thin line between offering someone money for keeping your secret versus threatening to take their livelihood and drive them out of their profession if they don't.

For the life of me I can't understand why ANYTHING uttered by the uniballer should be of interest to anyone other than parties with a vested financial interest in his downfall....

Because more than a few of us would like to see him submitting a change-of-address with the USPS to his new home in the Iron Bar Hotel, and a lie-filled sworn statement that the SOL still is running on could be just the ticket. The more he testifies, the greater the exposure.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Hmm yes okay, thanks for input. That is one possible explanation I guess. It just seemed like something to notice, when wonderboy out so many and then still Och get a free pass.

Not just Och! Wiesel, Johnson, Plant, and more.

 

[hektoren]

I agree that no new ground was covered. But, what are we moving onto? The sports federation hasn't changed a bit. The first half of Cookson's last speech to Sport Accord may as well have been written by McQuaid.

That's another ballgame entirely, and not one that's dependent on the unaballer's testimony. What he's got to say is boring, boring, boring. We know he was dirty. We know most of the enablers. Follow the money and you'll get the rest of the story. Boring. Now, if Cookson, Wada, and the current crop of cronies don't follow suit and make serious inroads on the doping scene as of today we've got a problem. Agreed. And the Blood Passport, doping tests and the whole shebang today is definitely not a perfect system. It's more like a system where you have to be seriously stoopid to get caught. Nevertheless, with all due respect to fellow forum-minders: Can we get past Armstrong already? He's a dead duck. He'll never compete again, and I for one don't want to see his ugly mug in any article on cyclingnews from here to kingdom come.

 

[Berzin]

Move on! Nothing interesting here.

There is plenty here that is new.

This is the first time Armstrong has unequivocally thrown his direct doping enablers under the bus. First time he mentioned that Ferrari supplied/aided and abetted his doping, and that Bruyneel knew about his doping program.

 

[Granville57]

For the life of me I can't understand why ANYTHING uttered by the uniballer should be of interest to anyone...

But you clicked on the Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3.

 

[D-Queued]

Morally, there is a very thin line between offering someone money for keeping your secret versus threatening to take their livelihood and drive them out of their profession if they don't.


Because more than a few of us would like to see him submitting a change-of-address with the USPS to his new home in the Iron Bar Hotel, and a lie-filled sworn statement that the SOL still is running on could be just the ticket. The more he testifies, the greater the exposure.

Say it isn't so!

I've already used up fingers and toes trying to count the people I know of. Can't be more than a few others, can there?

...speaking of which, where was Stephanie on this recent list?

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

There is plenty here that is new.

This is the first time Armstrong has unequivocally thrown his direct doping enablers under the bus. First time he mentioned that Ferrari supplied/aided and abetted his doping, and that Bruyneel knew about his doping program.

This is the first time he has publicly thrown people under the bus. I am surprised that he tossed Ferrari.

 

[MarkvW]

Morally, there is a very thin line between offering someone money for keeping your secret versus threatening to take their livelihood and drive them out of their profession if they don't.


Because more than a few of us would like to see him submitting a change-of-address with the USPS to his new home in the Iron Bar Hotel, and a lie-filled sworn statement that the SOL still is running on could be just the ticket. The more he testifies, the greater the exposure.

I'd say that the more he testifies, the more his lawyers have told him that the coast is clear (for criminal prosecution).

 

[gooner]

This is the first time he has publicly thrown people under the bus. I am surprised that he tossed Ferrari.

He already did a bit with Ferrari when he spoke about him to Matt Lawton at the time of the Emma O'Reilly meeting.

 

[MarkvW]

He already did a bit with Ferrari when he spoke about him to Matt Lawton at the time of the Emma O'Reilly meeting.

Seems to me that this could have significant consequences to Ferrari's medical license. I doubt the Doctor could come up with a prescription for the dope he delivered to Lance.

 

[Archibald]

Move on! Nothing interesting here.

But you clicked on the Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3.

was just thinking this... just why does he/she keep returning to post on this?


I think it is interesting that he's now provided the direct link between those who testified against him in the reasoned decision and what was going on. Helps turn a "reasoned" decision into actual fact, no?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

There is plenty here that is new.

This is the first time Armstrong has unequivocally thrown his direct doping enablers under the bus. First time he mentioned that Ferrari supplied/aided and abetted his doping, and that Bruyneel knew about his doping program.

What difference does it make of LA outs him or Landis and Hamilton do which was done eons ago.

All of the stuff in the LA affidavit material is already in the affidavits of Landis and Hamilton, in the Reasoned Decision, was part of the allegations made by the USADA against Ferrari in his own case and is contained in the allegations in the Qui Tam claim filed by Landis and supported by the DOJ.

There is nothing here that is new other than what was previously said by Landis and Hamilton is now coming out of Armstrong's mouth. Same $h!t difference messenger and one with a lot less credibility than Landis/Hamilton.

 

[D-Queued]

What difference does it make of LA outs him or Landis and Hamilton do which was done eons ago.

All of the stuff in the LA affidavit material is already in the affidavits of Landis and Hamilton, in the Reasoned Decision, was part of the allegations made by the USADA against Ferrari in his own case and is contained in the allegations in the Qui Tam claim filed by Landis and supported by the DOJ.

There is nothing here that is new other than what was previously said by Landis and Hamilton is now coming out of Armstrong's mouth. Same $h!t difference messenger and one with a lot less credibility than Landis/Hamilton.

Well, he almost admitted witness intimidation.

Almost.

Dave.

 

[McLovin]

Don't know if it's been discussed here. I saw last night the Armstrong Lie and when Contador attacked on little Bernard, Bruyneel started cursing. The director make it look like he was angry because that attack made Schlecks put time on Armstrong. Wasn't it actually because they dropped Kloden? It would be more logical. I guess it's a movie made for us people so they put it like it has to be for them.

 

[42x16ss]

Seems to me that this could have significant consequences to Ferrari's medical license. I doubt the Doctor could come up with a prescription for the dope he delivered to Lance.

You would have thought that after the last time Ferrari was dragged into a courtroom and Simeoni spilled the beans but sadly, it never happened.

Something tells me that losing his medical licence wouldn't stop Ferrari anyway...