Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[sittingbison]

Gentle(wo)men,
lets keep it on track, stop the trolling and keep it civil and inpersonal please

cheers
bison

 

[mewmewmew13]

It's starting to feel like the kindergarten is imploding..

I'm becoming unhinged...and laughing wildly. This is an effing forum!


Life begins and ends outside of here...REALLY

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Well that's easy for you to say, Robbie, having been so much closer to the ground when it was all going down ... than Emma ever was.

FFS ... retirement and 'chat' rooms ... what a deadly mix.

The USADA report is a comprehensive account of what went on. One does not have had to have been closer to the ground than Emma to understand what was going on. Emma was not present when Hamilton, Danielson, Hincapie and Landis etal were doping with Lance. My recall she is not even mentioned in the affidavits of the cyclists themselves. Her story is related but different than those of the cyclists. So why you think Emma has some cred that the others don't is illogical.

I didn't know you were retired, ffs? How is that going for you? Sounds like it might be killing you?


Edit. The more I listen to Betsy Andreu in the Newstalk interview responding to Emma's interview with the same radio program, the more I believe Emma has now become a shill for Armstrong's pathetic attempts to reconstruct his reputation by using Emma. This is a standard Armstrong tactic, and a skunk does not grow new stripes.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Emma's interview is a trainwreck.
She is trying so hard not to blame Lance..so she constantly bashes herself..

Definitely bending backwards to make herself look bad but rounding Armstrong and others into a big group hug...Hincapie, JOHAN, Tyler...gheezus

"You could see a bit of sincerity when my name came up..." that is a little weird to me..looking for some approval from Lance..

She keeps talking about her bond with Lance..

It is a really confusing gushing of statements...
the interviewer is constantly sounding at a loss...to understand her..

Hopefully, she's not seeking to replay something before whatever current time/energy she spending on Armstrong ends. Because we all know it will.

She is where she is with it. We can only wish her well. The same can be said about so many of Wonderboy's victims.

I have to go meditate some more.. Serenity now!!!

 

[Benotti69]

This should give an insight into the type of people around Armstrong who were necessary and instrumental in carrying out his agenda.

Whatever she faced when she was being attacked, it all seems to have been forgotten.

What she was really crying out was for Lance to like her, like a typical teenage cheerleader when the captain of the football team dumps her for an even prettier tramp.

Ema O"Reilly is officially boring, along with David Walsh, Paul Kimmage and all the rest.

How old are you? 6

 

[Benotti69]

I had a listen as well. Father Bob?

And Emma was right. Walsh has become the story. For his own personal gain. He's not a very nice character is our David.

I think everyone's pain is their own. Allow them to do what they need to do. She'll learn soon enough, if it is to be. No one needs to be told.

I dont have a problem with Walsh doing tours around his Armstrong book and making money out of it. He has always in interviews lauded Swart, Betsy, Emma and others who spoke out.

Should JK Rowling not have earned billions form her writing? At least Walsh's is journalistic and helped rid a sport of a pariah!

 

[thehog]

I dont have a problem with Walsh doing tours around his Armstrong book and making money out of it. He has always in interviews lauded Swart, Betsy, Emma and others who spoke out.

Should JK Rowling not have earned billions form her writing? At least Walsh's is journalistic and helped rid a sport of a pariah!

JK Rowling writes fantasy books. As probably does Walsh. He has the right to earn money, of course. But it's well established that he allows that fact get in the way of producing a factual account rather now he is writing purely for sales & money.

He's basically become Stock-Aiken-Waterman in written form. I'm not sure his accounts of the Armstrong are entirely factual. SDS was poorly written and will be made into movie. Go figure that one out.

I'm sure David is donating a portion of his books/movies etc. to the fight against anti-doping

 

[Benotti69]

JK Rowling writes fantasy books. As probably does Walsh. He has the right to earn money, of course. But it's well established that he allows that fact get in the way of producing a factual account rather now he is writing purely for sales & money.

He's basically become Stock-Aiken-Waterman in written form. I'm not sure his accounts of the Armstrong are entirely factual. SDS was poorly written and will be made into movie. Go figure that one out.

I'm sure David is donating a portion of his books/movies etc. to the fight against anti-doping

Walsh got it right with Armstrong. This thread is about Armstrong.

Walsh doesn't have to donate to anti doping. He did his job on Armstrong. He did it reasonably well. He deserves kudos for it.

Trolling Walsh on his Armstrong stuff is doing the work of Armstrong

 

[sniper]

Walsh got it right with Armstrong. This thread is about Armstrong.

Walsh doesn't have to donate to anti doping. He did his job on Armstrong. He did it reasonably well. He deserves kudos for it.

agreed.
but i need a sick bicket everytime i see him selling the story on twitter, taking praise left and right whilst defending sky.

Trolling Walsh on his Armstrong stuff is doing the work of Armstrong

by defending obvious dopers now whilst scapegoating lance, walsh is doing a lot of work for armstrong himself.
i must admit that thanks to the joint efforts of sky and walsh (and vaughters) my own view of lance has softened considerably.

 

[Oldman]

agreed.
but i need a sick bicket everytime i see him selling the story on twitter, taking praise left and right whilst defending sky.
by defending obvious dopers now whilst scapegoating lance, walsh is doing a lot of work for armstrong himself.
i must admit that thanks to the joint efforts of sky and walsh (and vaughters) my own view of lance has softened considerably.

it's obvious that Walsh needs Lance and Lance needs...anyone to listen to them. That's how they'll make money sustaining a dialogue even if it is artificial.
Best to ignore the background chatter and watch what shakes out legally if you don't want to go crazy.

 

[MarkvW]

Perversely enough, Lance's Internet haters are doing the "work of Lance" by keeping Lance from being forgotten. Being forgotten reduces Lance to unimportance. The rehabilitation of a forgotten person is an insignificant act.

For Lance, it is better to be hated than forgotten.

 

[andy1234]

Perversely enough, Lance's Internet haters are doing the "work of Lance" by keeping Lance from being forgotten. Being forgotten reduces Lance to unimportance. The rehabilitation of a forgotten person is an insignificant act.

For Lance, it is better to be hated than forgotten.

Armstrong's incessant opponents need him, in order to stay relevant.
When he is forgotten, they will be too.

 

[thehog]

Walsh got it right with Armstrong. This thread is about Armstrong.

Walsh doesn't have to donate to anti doping. He did his job on Armstrong. He did it reasonably well. He deserves kudos for it.

Trolling Walsh on his Armstrong stuff is doing the work of Armstrong

Walsh got it right about Armstrong because getting it right about anyone in the peloton at the time was like shooting fish in a barrel!

It wasn't like he solved some great untold mystery. His determination was impressive and life would have been easier to be pretend Armstrong was clean. But not being American made Walsh's job very easy.

As Walsh is today with UK riders and teams. You can't bite the hand that feeds. Especially in a sport where there are little to no cycling journalist writing for major newspapers. Fickle industry with zero job security.

Walsh knows because he was absent from the Tour for 9 years.

 

[Benotti69]

agreed.
but i need a sick bicket everytime i see him selling the story on twitter, taking praise left and right whilst defending sky.

I have expressed same in the sky and walsh threads.

by defending obvious dopers now whilst scapegoating lance, walsh is doing a lot of work for armstrong himself.
i must admit that thanks to the joint efforts of sky and walsh (and vaughters) my own view of lance has softened considerably.

My stance on Armstrong has not softened. My stance will soften when he passes from this planet.

Walsh got it right on Armstrong. He got it right on Smith De Bruin.

Walsh got it wrong on lots of other things and he is making a huge error on sky.

This is the Armstrong thread and i repeat, Walsh got it right on Armstrong. He did it with the help of others and is quick to acknowledge that.

If and when Walsh sees the light on Sky, he may do an 'Armstrong' on them and include JV in that. I do hope so.

 

[Benotti69]

Walsh got it right about Armstrong because getting it right about anyone in the peloton at the time was like shooting fish in a barrel!

Hog, you have become the 'Polish and Flicker' of the clinic. Congrats.

It wasn't like he solved some great untold mystery. His determination was impressive and life would have been easier to be pretend Armstrong was clean. But not being American made Walsh's job very easy.

As Walsh is today with UK riders and teams. You can't bite the hand that feeds. Especially in a sport where there are little to no cycling journalist writing for major newspapers. Fickle industry with zero job security.

Walsh knows because he was absent from the Tour for 9 years.

Amazing how so few wanted to shoot the fish in the barrel. Walsh would still be chief sports writer of the ST whether he went after Wonderboy or not.

Those fish are still in the barrel and still so few are shooting because of snakes like Vaughters and Brailsford telling the hacks and fans that these fish are not the fish you are looking for.

SSDD.

 

[Benotti69]

Armstrong's incessant opponents need him, in order to stay relevant.
When he is forgotten, they will be too.

Armstrongs incessants fans need him and will continue to post where he is discussed..................he will remain in their heart of hearts

 

[gooner]

I have expressed same in the sky and walsh threads.



My stance on Armstrong has not softened. My stance will soften when he passes from this planet.

Walsh got it right on Armstrong. He got it right on Smith De Bruin.

Walsh got it wrong on lots of other things and he is making a huge error on sky.

This is the Armstrong thread and i repeat, Walsh got it right on Armstrong. He did it with the help of others and is quick to acknowledge that.

If and when Walsh sees the light on Sky, he may do an 'Armstrong' on them and include JV in that. I do hope so.

Fair points on Walsh.

Agree, even if anyone disagrees with his opinion on Sky, revisionism shouldn't come into it to criticise his work elsewhere.

 

[thehog]

Hog, you have become the 'Polish and Flicker' of the clinic. Congrats.



Amazing how so few wanted to shoot the fish in the barrel. Walsh would still be chief sports writer of the ST whether he went after Wonderboy or not.

Those fish are still in the barrel and still so few are shooting because of snakes like Vaughters and Brailsford telling the hacks and fans that these fish are not the fish you are looking for.

SSDD.

Sure. But you missed the point why so many didn't shoot the fish in the barrel.

Doping was rampant at the time. Even with substandard testing there were multiple positives and the police were busting cyclists every other week.

If you wrote for a cycling magazine with a monthly circulation of 30,000 you're not going to write anything else but what expected. Not just from Armstrong but from the UCI and race owners. Access is king in this sport. If you weren't speaking to the best riders then you didn't have a job.

In journalistic terms the real hero was Damien Ressiot. He wrote about several riders and broke the UCI/Armstrong EPO story. Bassons, Gauomont also revealed more about doping in the sport than Walsh ever did. Walsh gave up for nine years and only came back to cash in on Armstrong & Sky.

 

[gooner]

Sure. But you missed the point why so many didn't shoot the fish in the barrel.

Doping was rampant at the time. Even with substandard testing there were multiple positives and the police were busting cyclists every other week.

If you wrote for a cycling magazine with a monthly circulation of 30,000 you're not going to write anything else but what expected. Not just from Armstrong but from the UCI and race owners. Access is king in this sport. If you weren't speaking to the best riders then you didn't have a job.

In journalistic terms the real hero was Damien Ressiot. He wrote about several riders and broke the UCI/Armstrong EPO story. Bassons, Gauomont also revealed more about doping in the sport than Walsh ever did.

Walsh gave Emma, Betsy and co. a platform for their story. I didn't see many queue up to do it. In his own work he got the dates that Lance was visiting Ferrari.

Agree about Ressiot, I feel definitely in the English speaking media he hasn't got enough recognition as an journalist for that story. It's simply referred to as the "L'Equipe story". I'd even go as far as saying the same for Pierre Ballester. The makers of the Armstrong documentaries should have also asked for their contributors.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Perversely enough, Lance's Internet haters are doing the "work of Lance" by keeping Lance from being forgotten. Being forgotten reduces Lance to unimportance. The rehabilitation of a forgotten person is an insignificant act.

For Lance, it is better to be hated than forgotten.

Bingo. I couldn't have stated it better myself.

 

[MarkvW]

Sure. But you missed the point why so many didn't shoot the fish in the barrel.

Doping was rampant at the time. Even with substandard testing there were multiple positives and the police were busting cyclists every other week.

If you wrote for a cycling magazine with a monthly circulation of 30,000 you're not going to write anything else but what expected. Not just from Armstrong but from the UCI and race owners. Access is king in this sport. If you weren't speaking to the best riders then you didn't have a job.

In journalistic terms the real hero was Damien Ressiot. He wrote about several riders and broke the UCI/Armstrong EPO story. Bassons, Gauomont also revealed more about doping in the sport than Walsh ever did. Walsh gave up for nine years and only came back to cash in on Armstrong & Sky.

Yes. IIRC Ressiot was the guy whose reporting brought Rasmussen down.

 

[Benotti69]

Sure. But you missed the point why so many didn't shoot the fish in the barrel.

Doping was rampant at the time. Even with substandard testing there were multiple positives and the police were busting cyclists every other week.

If you wrote for a cycling magazine with a monthly circulation of 30,000 you're not going to write anything else but what expected. Not just from Armstrong but from the UCI and race owners. Access is king in this sport. If you weren't speaking to the best riders then you didn't have a job.

In journalistic terms the real hero was Damien Ressiot. He wrote about several riders and broke the UCI/Armstrong EPO story. Bassons, Gauomont also revealed more about doping in the sport than Walsh ever did. Walsh gave up for nine years and only came back to cash in on Armstrong & Sky.

Yeah but Hog, you are forgetting that Walsh cost his newspaper a cool million sterling.

He called Emma's testimony 'this is christmas'....why would it not be christmas to other journalists. What a way to make a name for yourself, busting the golden goose as a fraud!

Walsh started in '99 on the Armstrong story. Not too many doing that.

Walsh is a sports journalist, not a cycling journalist.

He may not be the greatest journalist out there, but he stuck with the Armstrong fraud for a long time, when it wasn't profitable in any way.

This is the wrong thread to kick Walsh and those who do are making life a little sweeter for ol Monkeymouth.

Hog be careful you are morphing into the clinics gimp.

 

[MarkvW]

Yeah but Hog, you are forgetting that Walsh cost his newspaper a cool million sterling.

He called Emma's testimony 'this is christmas'....why would it not be christmas to other journalists. What a way to make a name for yourself, busting the golden goose as a fraud!

Walsh started in '99 on the Armstrong story. Not too many doing that.

Walsh is a sports journalist, not a cycling journalist.

He may not be the greatest journalist out there, but he stuck with the Armstrong fraud for a long time, when it wasn't profitable in any way.

This is the wrong thread to kick Walsh and those who do are making life a little sweeter for ol Monkeymouth.

Hog be careful you are morphing into the clinics gimp.

What did Walsh pay in exchange for Emma's story? Anybody know?

 

[PosterBill]

Why does Emma have to be a schill just because she elected to move on. It sounds like she's trying to put the last 10 years of her life into perspective and come to grips with it. As fans we have an over hyped sensibility on this case but in reality, only Emma/Betsy/Frankie etc were personally effected by this and I accept whatever perspective they come away with. At the end of the day doping had been rampant in the sport for many years and we are picking apart every minute detail of the aftermath of one sliver of that time span which I think is somewhat unfair. It's a little ridiculous for some of us to be unable to accept Emma's position when she lived it for 10 years...

 

[thehog]

Hog be careful you are morphing into the clinics gimp.

I'm morphing into a person who's always had their own opinion? You mean I should be towing some form of party line? Absurdity.

Walsh is no different than Armstrong. Exploitation is their game.