Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Granville57]

The film is confusing and the only good bit is when Contador disobeys orders.

That's the one part I have seen (when it was posted online for a brief moment).

Loved that. Johan had a meltdown because he knew what Contador was going to do, but couldn't stop him.

Bill Strickland had described that scene in detail in his book Tour de Lance. It was fun to see the actual footage of it. They underestimated Contador, to their folly.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

That's the one part I have seen (when it was posted online for a brief moment).

Loved that. Johan had a meltdown because he knew what Contador was going to do, but couldn't stop him.

Bill Strickland had described that scene in detail in his book Tour de Lance. It was fun to see the actual footage of it. They underestimated Contador, to their folly.

What that incident tells me is that AC could see through the Armstrong Lie right from the outset. The move to bring LA onto the Astana team was a power play and AC showed he could not be cowed. IMO it shows AC has an independent mind and cannot be played for a fool.

 

[Granville57]

What that incident tells me is that AC could see through the Armstrong Lie right from the outset.

Which makes this interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3ENR2I5-I

Too bad Gibney couldn't get Contador to talk though. Would've been a nice addition to the finished product.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Ger Gilroy just pointed out to Emma that if she gives Armstrong the thumbs up it will have an effect on others.......so true. She is being played by Armstrong and she cant see it.

This.
good comments Benna

and thanx for the link

 

[thehog]

Well, the snake wrote the forward to her book. Something is up right there.

What's up is Emma has moved on without the need to cash in.

David Walsh is still riding his gravy train pretending he was the one who cracked it open. Zero respect for that guy.

 

[mewmewmew13]

What's up is Emma has moved on without the need to cash in.

David Walsh is still riding his gravy train pretending he was the one who cracked it open. Zero respect for that guy.

Emma has moved on from the old narrative to hanging with Lance.
He is using her to stage his comeback to relevance and lessen the plunge toward the abyss...

remember he is now friends with Mercier as well...

he's busy.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

What's up is Emma has moved on without the need to cash in.

David Walsh is still riding his gravy train pretending he was the one who cracked it open. Zero respect for that guy.

David Walsh knows next to nothing about cycling. He really doesn't. To be honest, paul kimmage doesn't either but that's more about intelligence.

 

[Alpe73]

She is being played by Armstrong and she cant see it.

Casablanca!

No ... Maltese Falcon!

 

[Alpe73]

Emma has moved on ...

ebb and flow .... the setting sun and the rolling world

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Prefer Casablanca

 

[Archibald]

Gone with the Wind, no?

LA: Frankly, Emma, I don't give a damn

 

[buckle]

Which makes this interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3ENR2I5-I

Too bad Gibney couldn't get Contador to talk though. Would've been a nice addition to the finished product.

It's extraordinary what AC achieved in the 2009 Tour even on a program. The doping logistics seem bewildering especially within the context of an intra team rivalry. Gibney failed to interview anyone from the other teams. I find the whole film confusing and it is really two films glued together when he should have just made two films.

 

[Bosco10]

Emma has moved on from the old narrative to hanging with Lance.
He is using her to stage his comeback to relevance and lessen the plunge toward the abyss...

remember he is now friends with Mercier as well...

he's busy.

I'd say Armstrong definitely has a strong charismatic pull to him. A few examples:

He hard dumped wife Kristin, but she still thinks the world of him.

He steamrolled Emma, but she's alright with it now after "talking" with him.

Then there is Scott "Proud to be Friends with Lance" Mercier. Dang, enough said.


But if Armstrong ever cons Greg Lemond into doing yard work for him, I'd say he is the true master of the flim-flam.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

All Armstrong needs is a few other big critics to change their minds and he can build on it.

The meeting with Bassons didn't produce the result he wanted.

But it seems Emma has been convinced, but then she was on his side for a long time as she worked in the sport.

yep Bassons can't be "persuaded", perhaps not surprising.

UCI should hire Bassons and JJ as consultants to revamp parts of the UCI operation.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Which makes this interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3ENR2I5-I

Too bad Gibney couldn't get Contador to talk though. Would've been a nice addition to the finished product.

Interesting. There are two interpretations in my mind. I like to think AC simply wanted to stay above the politics and concentrate on winning and Lance's presence on the team gave him the motivation to do that. He wanted to stay classy. I also think he was concerned anything he did say to Gibney could be misconstrued by Gibney or more importantly Lance and Johan. He did not want to give LA anything that could motivate LA

A more sinister view would be that AC did not want to even go near questions about any "programme" that was being discussed by the team by Lance and Johan promoting micro dosing or whatever. USADA says LA's samples for 2009and 2010 are abnormal and consistent with doping. AC MAY have some knowledge that he simply choses not to share. This of course is sheer speculation.

 

[TexPat]

One of Armstrong's biggest critics suddenly changes her mind and write a book.
Small change in the broader scheme of things I think.

She was on National Radio in New Zealand this morning. I would've normally tuned out but my colleague got to the radio first, and I thought for once I should spare him my eclectic mix of The Misfits, Caetano Velsoso, and Blind Willie Johnson.
After listening to the interview, I was left with the feeling that she's been played by his charm, and, that she has become part of the redemption campaign.
She made some fine points regarding the value of free will and personal responsibility-- especially as our boys in blue entered an already corrupt system of drugs, pay offs, and decadence.
However, I don't subscribe to Emma's point of view. While they all chose to dope, chose to cheat, chose to deceive the sponsors and the public, none did it with a more cynical and self serving attitude than Lance.
And, of course, none were more vicious in denial.
Don't know Emma. Never met her. Didn't know anything about her until a meeting with David Walsh in 2004 or 2005, after which I considered her one of the first casualties of the truth; but now I now fear that her judgement is clouded by a falsely perceived notion that she and Lance share a brother/sister relationship.
I've not known anyone as inherently flawed as Lance Armstrong, and fear for anyone whose judgement precludes them from keeping him at arm's length.
What he is not is a martyr, nor a victim.
He just simply is another incredibly immoral human being who just so happens to be an athlete.
And a cyclist.
In another world, he'd be the best guy in Folsom Prison on the spin bike.

 

[Cycle Chic]

I think Armstrong believes he is Jesus. The Gibney film showed him with the cancer patients and his fans...and he looks like he believes he is the Messiah.

Anyone read Heart of Darkness ? Joseph Conrad.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

The film is confusing and the only good bit is when Contador disobeys orders.

There were a couple of bits featuring Hicapie which were good:

Firstly when he's describing his discomfort at sitting next to Lance when Lance and Kimmage had their set to.

Secondly when Hincapie tries - not entirely successfully - to control his laughter when discussing the severity of his USADA 6 month ban.

Peripheral to the Lance story, but good entertainment.

The coverage of the end of the TTT reminded me of something that struck me at the time: As Lance approaches the line as the 5th and final "scoring" team member, he sits up to stop his speedo. This may have cost him the fraction of a second that kept him from the MJ that day. Berto subsequently attacking his MJ-wearing team mate would have been such a good story!

 

[Cycle Chic]

The film made a good point - that after Contadors tdf win, with Armstrong 3rd on the podium.... he was busted for clenbuterol....wonder who was at the bottom of that one

 

[Benotti69]

She was on National Radio in New Zealand this morning. I would've normally tuned out but my colleague got to the radio first, and I thought for once I should spare him my eclectic mix of The Misfits, Caetano Velsoso, and Blind Willie Johnson.
After listening to the interview, I was left with the feeling that she's been played by his charm, and, that she has become part of the redemption campaign.
She made some fine points regarding the value of free will and personal responsibility-- especially as our boys in blue entered an already corrupt system of drugs, pay offs, and decadence.
However, I don't subscribe to Emma's point of view. While they all chose to dope, chose to cheat, chose to deceive the sponsors and the public, none did it with a more cynical and self serving attitude than Lance.
And, of course, none were more vicious in denial.
Don't know Emma. Never met her. Didn't know anything about her until a meeting with David Walsh in 2004 or 2005, after which I considered her one of the first casualties of the truth; but now I now fear that her judgement is clouded by a falsely perceived notion that she and Lance share a brother/sister relationship.
I've not known anyone as inherently flawed as Lance Armstrong, and fear for anyone whose judgement precludes them from keeping him at arm's length.
What he is not is a martyr, nor a victim.
He just simply is another incredibly immoral human being who just so happens to be an athlete.
And a cyclist.
In another world, he'd be the best guy in Folsom Prison on the spin bike.

Brilliant TP.

 

[M Sport]

Emma O'Reilly on newstalk.ie now

http://newstalk.ie/player/tv

will be podcasted later

Edit; just finished.

But will be podcasted. Programme is called 'Off the ball'.

Link here http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podca...Reilly_on_why_she39s_forgiven_Lance_Armstrong

Worth a listen while you're working or reading.

 

[mewmewmew13]

She was on National Radio in New Zealand this morning. I would've normally tuned out but my colleague got to the radio first, and I thought for once I should spare him my eclectic mix of The Misfits, Caetano Velsoso, and Blind Willie Johnson.
After listening to the interview, I was left with the feeling that she's been played by his charm, and, that she has become part of the redemption campaign.
She made some fine points regarding the value of free will and personal responsibility-- especially as our boys in blue entered an already corrupt system of drugs, pay offs, and decadence.
However, I don't subscribe to Emma's point of view. While they all chose to dope, chose to cheat, chose to deceive the sponsors and the public, none did it with a more cynical and self serving attitude than Lance.
And, of course, none were more vicious in denial.
Don't know Emma. Never met her. Didn't know anything about her until a meeting with David Walsh in 2004 or 2005, after which I considered her one of the first casualties of the truth; but now I now fear that her judgement is clouded by a falsely perceived notion that she and Lance share a brother/sister relationship.
I've not known anyone as inherently flawed as Lance Armstrong, and fear for anyone whose judgement precludes them from keeping him at arm's length.
What he is not is a martyr, nor a victim.
He just simply is another incredibly immoral human being who just so happens to be an athlete.
And a cyclist.
In another world, he'd be the best guy in Folsom Prison on the spin bike.

love this! and best quote of the year

so glad to see you swoop in here TexPat

 

[gooner]

Emma O'Reilly on newstalk.ie now

http://newstalk.ie/player/tv

will be podcasted later

Edit; just finished.

But will be podcasted. Programme is called 'Off the ball'.

Betsy is on it tonight at 8pm.

 

[thehog]

Betsy is on it tonight at 8pm.

Zzzzzzzzzz.

Greatest most epic stage of the Tour in many years and you guys are still kicking around Lance Armstrong stories.

Boring.

 

[gooner]

Zzzzzzzzzz.

Greatest most epic stage of the Tour in many years and you guys are still kicking around Lance Armstrong stories.

Boring.

Posting in this thread isn't mutually linked to having no interest in today's stage. Yes, it was epic and I loved every minute of it. I can say that and still post here. Only in your own world and mind did you somehow bizarrely come to the conclusion above.

I only seen it 5 mins before I posted about it here. I did so because others might be interested in it.

If you have a problem, why don't you stay out of the thread and put me on ignore while you're at it.