Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[MarkvW]

If Lance has so much "influence" that he can derail a criminal investigation, then why doesn't that influence derail the civil lawsuit that probably threatens him with bankruptcy?

The simplest answer is usually the best: Legal considerations drive both.

 

[Oldman]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

I watched those Tours and knew he was cheating. He never "won" them in my mind. Knew....he....was....cheating. It's that simple.

 

[86TDFWinner]

If Lance has so much "influence" that he can derail a criminal investigation, then why doesn't that influence derail the civil lawsuit that probably threatens him with bankruptcy?

Didn't he and his merry band of imbecile lawyers try doing just that? Yes.

The simplest answer is usually the best: Legal considerations drive both.

Right! Which is why I said he didn't go to jail, because he had the connections, and the $$$ to make it go away before. You do remember he kept this con game going for over a decade, "over 500 tests and not 1 positive". Now, he no longer can it appears, as he tried screwing over the government, something he cannot do. But guess what? he probably still won't see the inside of a jail cell, even though he very much needs to.

 

[bewildered]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

He's been stripped of his tours. You can't re-write history

 

[buckle]

Perhaps the only answer is to recognise LA as a 7x champion and let him return to his celebrity lifestyle. That's what the Americans want, so let them have it. At the moment he is coming across as a victim of European hypocrisy and double dealing. Let's all recognise him as the best doped rider at the Tour and move on. A career in politics would then beckon.

 

[the sceptic]

I watched those Tours and knew he was cheating. He never "won" them in my mind. Knew....he....was....cheating. It's that simple.

Does it matter what you knew? Lance was the recognized winner at the time. Blame it on the UCI for being unable/unwilling to stop him.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Perhaps the only answer is to recognise LA as a 7x champion and let him return to his celebrity lifestyle. That's what the Americans want, so let them have it. At the moment he is coming across as a victim of European hypocrisy and double dealing. Let's all recognise him as the best doped rider at the Tour and move on. A career in politics would then beckon.

I'm an American, and I don't want him anywhere near a record/history book. I want him punished, and flamed, and bashed for a very long time for what he's done to so many folks. Only his fan boys want him restored to that of Jesus like stature.

LOL on the second part. A career that definitely suits him should he go that route.

 

[Scott SoCal]

If money is the measure of success, then I'm compelled to agree with you. If we're talking about "winning" in the sporting sense, though, Floyd is just another piece of cheating fecal matter. If we're talking about winning in the professional cycling sense, Floyd is a fucking champion!

Somebody had to step up otherwise Monkeymouth would still be a winner.

 

[Scott SoCal]

If Lance has so much "influence" that he can derail a criminal investigation, then why doesn't that influence derail the civil lawsuit that probably threatens him with bankruptcy?

The simplest answer is usually the best: Legal considerations drive both.

Past tense. HAD

 

[131313]

If Lance has so much "influence" that he can derail a criminal investigation, then why doesn't that influence derail the civil lawsuit that probably threatens him with bankruptcy?

The simplest answer is usually the best: Legal considerations drive both.

You're really comparing the political capital of Lance in 2012 vs today? Umm..OK....

 

[SeriousSam]

Perhaps the only answer is to recognise LA as a 7x champion and let him return to his celebrity lifestyle. That's what the Americans want, so let them have it. At the moment he is coming across as a victim of European hypocrisy and double dealing. Let's all recognise him as the best doped rider at the Tour and move on. A career in politics would then beckon.

That would make me very angry. Too many people get away with doing awful things, are even rewarded for it. Armstrong's devastation is so deserved it brings a smile to my face. I hope it's permanent.

 

[Energy Starr]

Doped winners must love it when they're asked what should happen to other doped winners! Good test of the guilty conscience that one

The most effective 'dope test' in sport is the reaction of an inherited winner when a champion athlete is caught doping. The obviously human reaction is anger that you've been wrongfully cheated of your glorious moment of triumph, bitter that a chancer tried to steal what was righfully yours. Yet how often we see the Schleck reaction, exactly the opposite to that

This times 100! I've being telling people this for years. Any former winner who thinks Lance should have his tours back has quite simply just admitted his own guilt to doping. These guys all think cheating is ok. They want to be able to keep theirs even though they cheated as well. It really is a sad state of affairs. Sooooo many cheaters.....

 

[The Hegelian]

I watched those Tours and knew he was cheating. He never "won" them in my mind. Knew....he....was....cheating. It's that simple.

Likewise. For me it was always a question of 'will the edifice ever come down?' If so, what will happen?

Well, it came down, and whatever is happening now is just with respect to those races (but unjust with respect to a lot of other races (and riders)).

I don't really care about moral consistency. The moment Armstrong started being able to climb, was the moment those races became completely unreal/unbelievable for me. An asterix next to them signifies that lack of reality surprisingly well.

 

[The Hegelian]

In fact, I'm a tolerant fellow.

The only two things I can't deal with are:

1. Watching a fat ***/sprinter/one day man suddenly transform into a goat.

2. Watching a relative donkey ride a select group of world class champions off their back wheel - with pure horsepower he never exhibited before.

Everything else - all the other doping crap - I can tolerate.

 

[Afrank]

He's been stripped of his tours. You can't re-write history

Normally I'd agree. But Armstrong doesn't deserve any place in history aside from being remembered as the lying jerk he was.

I'm an American, and I don't want him anywhere near a record/history book. I want him punished, and flamed, and bashed for a very long time for what he's done to so many folks. Only his fan boys want him restored to that of Jesus like stature.

+1, Same for this American.

 

[Berzin]

If Lance has so much "influence" that he can derail a criminal investigation, then why doesn't that influence derail the civil lawsuit that probably threatens him with bankruptcy?

You know the answer to this, so stop with the trolling. Enough already.

As for everyone else in this and the other threads, could you control the expletives please?

 

[Bosco10]

You're really comparing the political capital of Lance in 2012 vs today? Umm..OK....

HaHa.. that, and the fact that he can't compete in anything meaningful, provided the "secret inspiration" for his potent drink speciality: Thee Lancerita. <burp>

 

[buckle]

I'm an American, and I don't want him anywhere near a record/history book. I want him punished, and flamed, and bashed for a very long time for what he's done to so many folks. Only his fan boys want him restored to that of Jesus like stature.

LOL on the second part. A career that definitely suits him should he go that route.

OK compromise - let him keep the jerseys but send him to jail on charges of fraud.

 

[Merckx index]

You're really comparing the political capital of Lance in 2012 vs today? Umm..OK....

No, 86TDF is. He’s the one claiming that LA’s connections are all that are preventing him from being put away from life now. Actually, 86TDF said LA was “much worse” than Madoff, so I guess he thinks LA deserves the death penalty, since that is the only sentence worth than life imprisonment. Except that now 86TDF has been called out, he says he was being factious, i.e., intentionally trying to create divisions, which is a pretty good definition of trolling, though to be fair I think he meant facetious.

So if I understand the new, revised 86TDF correctly, he thinks LA deserves the same life imprisonment as Madoff, not anything worse, because he ripped off the foundation, though the foundation itself has not filed any charges, and neither as far as I know have any cancer patients. Except that he was being factious, or probably facetious, so doesn't really mean it. So I guess he doesn't think LA should be in jail for life, even though he also says LA would have been without connections.

Also...Psstt, he/Livestrong DOESN'T cure cancer, they're an AWARENESS foundation, they do NOTHING to cure cancer. They're similar to Scientology I guess.

Psst, I’m a cancer researcher, and I know they’re an awareness foundation. That does not rise to the crime of a Madoff. In fact, it’s not a crime at all that I’m aware of.

 

[Energy Starr]

Perhaps the only answer is to recognise LA as a 7x champion and let him return to his celebrity lifestyle. That's what the Americans want, so let them have it. At the moment he is coming across as a victim of European hypocrisy and double dealing. Let's all recognise him as the best doped rider at the Tour and move on. A career in politics would then beckon.

Easy Buckle...the "Americans" don't have a collective opinion.....this American thinks with any luck his tours will stay gone and his money will eventually be gone.

 

[Energy Starr]

OK compromise - let him keep the jerseys but send him to jail on charges of fraud.

Jail would be nice too but just too difficult to nail him.

 

[Race Radio]

Lance was the recognized winner at the time.

So was Ben Johnson

 

[MarkvW]

You know the answer to this, so stop with the trolling. Enough already.

As for everyone else in this and the other threads, could you control the expletives please?

I will obey the policeman of the echo chamber.

 

[PosterBill]

That's not logical though.

We know Lance doped - he should be DQd

Surely the questions isn't we was he stripped, it's why weren't the tours reallocated


(Y'all must have done this before)

Whats not logical is picking and choosing who to investigate in the last 50 years. If we are going to vacate Armstrong then lets be fair and get delgado, big mig, contador, merck, schleck. I am in favor of investigating them all rather then picking one era and I am pretty far from a fan boy

 

[MarkvW]

Whats not logical is picking and choosing who to investigate in the last 50 years. If we are going to vacate Armstrong then lets be fair and get delgado, big mig, contador, merck, schleck. I am in favor of investigating them all rather then picking one era and I am pretty far from a fan boy

They should all have 24 hour line of sight chaperones.