Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[SeriousSam]

No one did. Only losers in that period. Cycling being the biggest.

In in that period? Are those that have since made Grand Tour podiums clean or something? Is your position that there are three grand tours per year but no one ends up winning them?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Yup, the guy who wrote the article is one of Johan's best friends.

Keep it in the 'family'
classy bunch

 

[86TDFWinner]

Its impossible to know. Thats why Lance should be known as the winner, just like all the other dopers that have won grand tours.

Lance was simply better at doping than the competition and I dont blame him for that. Thats just how cycling is. If the UCI cant or wont prevent doping, then the best players will rise to the top.

Unless YOU'RE one of the "clean" riders he would've beaten for one of those 7 TDF wins, right? then, as we all know(and you can deny it all you want, but we know you'd be all upset if you raced clean during that time, and were beaten by Wonderboy and the doping clan), you'd be calling for them to string him alive.

I would be complaining too. But stop acting like you're ok with it, because as I mentioned, if it happened at your expense, you most certainly WOULD be shouting from rooftops about how much of a cheater Wonderboy and the like were.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Yup, the guy who wrote the article is one of Johan's best friends.

So it's actually trying to help 2 people then: Johan and Cancer Jesus?

This was the part from the article I especially LOL'd @:

"Armstrong should stay on that list." 1987 Tour de France winner Stephen Roche added. "In the 100 year history of the race you can't not have a winner for seven years. Doping has been part of sport, not only for cycling, for decades. Who tells me Jacques Anquetil won clean. Should we take his victories away? Or why does Richard Virenque gets to keep his polka dot jerseys?"

Sure you/they can strip them, but the SOL prevents them from doing so. This is coming from a guy w/a questionable TDF win himself IIRC. Plus, they'd most certainly strip: Miggy and a few others(Hinault/Fignon/Merckx perhaps?) if they wanted to go back that far, and were allowed to take titles away.

Then: Floyd/Contador/Pantani and a few others should get theirs back as well, what's fair is fair. Also, while we're at it, why not re-instate ALL results from: Levi/GH/Tyler/Riis/Etc/Etc as well? Can't have it both ways.

 

[SundayRider]

Wiggins thinks it should 'stay as it is' yet a few years ago he 'loved' Lance.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Wiggins thinks it should 'stay as it is' yet a few years ago he 'loved' Lance.

Ironic eh?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Lance was simply better at doping than the competition and I dont blame him for that.

We still don't know the specifics of his program and should not assume it was "better." We know he had no regard for his health at many times in his life including a 9:1 T/E ratio in the earlier days. Maybe that's better enough with the known PED's?

We also know the UCI did not sanction his positive tests. That is probably the most important part of his doping program.

 

[SundayRider]

Ironic eh?

Yes, yet at the time Wiggins 'loved' LA, he knew with absolute certainty that LA doped.

 

[Freddythefrog]

This discussion really illustrates the pointlessness of "winning" an athletic contest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNxg7TxpmKY
Who will win !!! I just don't know, it is soooo exciiittting.
John Kowalski - see if you can spot the resemblance.



His son spent his early pro years riding the 6 days.

There is no point in an athletic contest when the organisers want a joke show.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Yes, yet at the time Wiggins 'loved' LA, he knew with absolute certainty that LA doped.

Yep. Many others did too, and STILL stood by him, which makes it all that much worse IMO.

 

[doperhopper]

Give the jerseys back!

Give the jerseys back to The Mighty Uniballer! What can be better way to celebrate The New Era. Recommended by 12 out of 23 Tour winners.

Someone wants it symbolic, some say "every race should have a winner".

And others should say "500 tests".

Reading the CN article and cannot believe the calendar. What the hell of a year is it???

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-tour-de-france-winners-say-give-armstrong-his-victories

 

[Scott SoCal]

"They" never took the jersey's away;

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I would give him one back. He can choose the year.

 

[MacRoadie]

"They" never took the jersey's away;

Gotta be some serious "stains" on that couch, with all the spank bank material hanging on the walls...

 

[Jspear]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

 

[MarkvW]

I can see both sides of this:

(a) Lance keeping the Tour titles will be a perpetual monument to how totally corrupt professional cycling has always been--from top to bottom. Scrubbing Lance from his "wins" is just a crappy PR move from a professional cycling heirarchy that is addicted to crappy PR moves.

(b) Lance was a massive cheat and his devastation is proportionate and richly deserved. What happened to Lance is an attempt at a positive new direction in cycling.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

 

[Almeisan]

Give Ricco back his wins!

 

[doperhopper]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

Well, in reality the History is written by the Winners.

And yes, we all saw also Ricco or Landis winning, and many more.

It's symptomatic that nobody even thought for a second to give the jerseys symbollicaly to the real victims of "The Era", guys like Bassons.

 

[86TDFWinner]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

So what? I watched: Contador/Floyd/Pantani/ and a few others win tours, does that mean all of those guys should be "un banned" and given their results and jerseys back too?

 

[Scott SoCal]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

I saw Floyd win too.

Wouldn't it be interesting if you also saw the blood bags being hooked up... think you'd still consider him a winner in those tours?

 

[Race Radio]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

I watched Rosie Ruiz win the Boston Marathon. She even had a Yellow Jersey

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes and give Alberto his wins back too

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

"They" never took the jersey's away;

Problem is, they took the house away and the jerseys were inside.

 

[hektoren]

I can see both sides of this:

(a) Lance keeping the Tour titles will be a perpetual monument to how totally corrupt professional cycling has always been--from top to bottom. Scrubbing Lance from his "wins" is just a crappy PR move from a professional cycling heirarchy that is addicted to crappy PR moves.

(b) Lance was a massive cheat and his devastation is proportionate and richly deserved. What happened to Lance is an attempt at a positive new direction in cycling.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Sorry about the lacking levels of my comprehension, but I can't see two sides to this question. Lance was as dirty as dirty gets, pushing cancer-riddled children in front of him, saying cancer is something you can fight if your will-power is strong enough, building a public persona received by presidents, PM's and nobility who were all-too-willing buyers into the myth, the media-coverage and the lie. At the same time Lance knew it all was bogus. He shouldn't have a place in professional cycling. He should have a place among professional liars, con-men, the Madoff's, the Ivar Kreuger's, the Enron's, the George Bush's of history.

 

[buckle]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

You didn't watch anything. You saw something on TV and was told by a hired voice that what you were watching was real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMfFzKt0oI