Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Granville57]

Armstrong just has to make enemies, it's in his nature, and I guess he just doesn't understand that most enemies want to get even and most of the people he thought he was dominating were actually a lot smarter than him and just biding their time to take him down in a calculated manner.

One of the funniest bits to come out of Macur's book is that it was Prentice Steffen, of all people, who suggested the Qui Tam tactic to Floyd. Funny how you just never know which person you f'cked over might come back to haunt you the most.

 

[Hemassist]

^^^^instead Wonderboy not part of the 'World Clown Association' but a 'World Class Clown'

He's more of dog and pony show kinda guy.

"If I can't face my accusers, that's a joke. We did that in medieval times."-Lance Armstrong (7/6/12)

 

[86TDFWinner]

Good luck with that. Exaclty two people will donate to it -- Scott Mercier & Emma O'Reilly... oh and Kristin Armstrong, OK so that make three.

Let's not forget: Chris Comical/George Hincapie/Weisel and of course Jokely head honcho Stephanie Mcillvane. Oh yeah, and the folks from: Trek/Michelob and a few other ex sponsors, and/or fanboys

 

[Scott SoCal]

Anybody know if there's any truth to the rumor that Pat McQuaid and BroDeal are in fact the same dude?

McQuaid said he has not had contact with Lance Armstrong since the USADA ban, but has changed his mind somewhat on his comments that "Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling".

About the comment: "That was an emotional press conference. At the time, on behalf of cycling, I said that. I don't necessarily think quite the same now."

"He is a victim. Travis Tygart set out on a witch hunt with **** Pound behind him."

"I do think that it was very much a one man show, USADA went after him. They made a lot of statements about their job being to protect clean athletes, the actual statistics don't show that they protect clean athletes. The number of times they tested Lance Armstrong, that WADA tested Lance Armstrong was minimal during his whole career."

"He's a victim of a USADA witch hunt. There were many others involved in doping. The fact that USADA say it was the most sophisticated doping system in the history of sport, that's their words, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Doping had gone on in cycling equally as sophisticated as that, the Festina affair was equally as sophisticated before Lance came along."

Okay, only joking with the BroDeal reference.

As for Paddy, I would just like to say, as eloquently as I'm able; You are a moron. YOU have no place in cycling. But please do us all a favor and keep running your cake-hole whenever possible so all reasonable pro cycling enthusiasts the world over will clearly remember why you were thrown out on your fat rear.

Rant over.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-says-he-started-menchov-doping-proceedings

 

[Race Radio]

As for Paddy, I would just like to say, as eloquently as I'm able; You are a moron. YOU have no place in cycling. But please do us all a favor and keep running your cake-hole whenever possible so all reasonable pro cycling enthusiasts the world over will clearly remember why you were thrown out on your fat rear.

McQuaid pursued Ullrich for 6 years after he retired, 2 CAS appeals....was that a Witch hunt?

Fat Pat ignored evidence, smeared witnesses, and obstructed investigations for years. He is angry Travis did not do the same

 

[Scott SoCal]

McQuaid pursued Ullrich for 6 years after he retired, 2 CAS appeals....was that a Witch hunt?

Fat Pat ignored evidence, smeared witnessess, and obstructed investigations for years. He is angry Travis did not do the same

Travis pulled the curtains back.

But to be clear, I hope he keeps running his smack. I don't ever want him to be looked as some sort of sympathetic figure.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

Well if the feds take all his assets then naturally he's going to need a new foundation to expense his jet-setting lifestyle against. "Look at me everyone, I'm living like a king travelling the world in luxury on the foundation's dime, but I'm doing it all for cancer!"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ong-start-cancer-charity-livestrong/12618073/



Getting the band back together.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Scott SoCal;1524381] ..... But to be clear, I hope the dumbass keeps running his smack. I don't ever want him to be looked as some sort of sympathetic figure.

I agree and I don't think there is any danger of LA really understanding what a tool he is. LA has the kind of personality where he will constantly need and seek public approval, and use immoral and disingenuous ways such as starting a new foundation to get it.

What I would really be interested in knowing is what the scientific community would say caused his cancer in the first place, if they had all the medical data about his doping before his cancer?

Qualities most people admire like contrition, apology, humility, temperance, integrity and modesty are not in Pharmstrong's dictionary.

 

[hektoren]

What I would really be interested in knowing is what the scientific community would say ce, if they had all the medical data about his doping before his cancer?

His doping may have had an effect, it may very well have "caused" his cancer, but as long as we're unique individuals with unique genetic makeup, we will never know for sure. It's not like swallowing a gun, which will have a detrimental effect, regardless of your genetic makeup. As long as the exact composition of the remedies used as well as the dosage is unknown, the carcinogenic effect it may have had will be entirely speculative. And you won't find a medical researcher willing to repeat the experiment. Lance was a cancer-victim. That's 100% for sure. Whether his cancer came about as a result of unscrupulous, overly confident doctors' advice Lance weren't in a position to, in medical terms, evaluate what he signed up for with dr. Ferrari. Dr. Ferrari is the Dr. Mengele of professional sports.

 

[meat puppet]

Somewhat related:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-tour-de-france-winners-say-give-armstrong-his-victories

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Odd. I guess that means they think Floyd should get his Tour victory restored as well? What about Floyd the victim of USADA's expensive, relentless witch hunt? Is he a victim too?

Poor Lance. Experiencing consequences for his actions. Totally not fair.

John Swanson

 

[D-Queued]

Somewhat related:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-tour-de-france-winners-say-give-armstrong-his-victories

Some cyclists will never learn.

Also, worth pointing out that, in contrast to Roche's perceptions, NOT all sport was severely tainted by doping.

Once a doper, all you can see is doping. And, that it is acceptable.

With his son in the current Tour, you would think he would have been more careful in his response.

Dave.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Odd. I guess that means they think Floyd should get his Tour victory restored as well? What about Floyd the victim of USADA's expensive, relentless witch hunt? Is he a victim too?

Poor Lance. Experiencing consequences for his actions. Totally not fair.

John Swanson

Sure Floyd should get to have his back if all past dopers were to be reinstated to the records. I doubt this will ever happen. But never say never in cycling no doubt.

I did not read that Greg had any comment or that they reached out to him for a comment. I think that perspective would be very interesting. He would not be on the list of those 12 in favor.

 

[No_Balls]

Somewhat related:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-tour-de-france-winners-say-give-armstrong-his-victories

Lol. Like asking if bankrobbers are non-guilty and should have their money back. Another insult to common sense and intelligence.

Roche raises some important issues around Virenques polka dots though. But that is more academic.

 

[SeriousSam]

Wanting consistency instead of arbitrariness isn't academic at all. Indurain is right. Who won those tours?

 

[meat puppet]

Wanting consistency instead of arbitrariness isn't academic at all. Indurain is right. Who won those tours?

Well, no one who played by the rules agreed it seems. As in: at this point it is sadly not possible to determine who were the riders actually playing by the rules.

 

[kingjr]

Wanting consistency instead of arbitrariness isn't academic at all. Indurain is right. Who won those tours?

No one did. Only losers in that period. Cycling being the biggest.

 

[Merckx index]

Really interesting poll, surprised it wasn't done before.

Seven said no. Evans, Wiggo and Froome are mentioned in the article, Lemond obviously is another. That leaves three more. They’re much more likely to be recent winners than older winners, I would think. Sastre, probably. Not Ullrich, he’s already supported LA publicly. Maybe Riis, given he offered to give up his. I wouldn’t have thought Hinault, but no one later than him is left.

Really ironic that Pereiro and Schleck, who only won through disqualification of the winner on the road, support LA. Schleck did indicate at the time he thought Contador was the winner, but Pereiro was pretty firm in denouncing Floyd. Seems kind of hypocritical for him to think LA should keep the jerseys.

 

[roundabout]

Sastre and Riis have no opinion

Plus précisément, des vingt-cinq lauréats encore en vie, douze estiment que le Texan doit conserver ses victoires (Jan Ullrich, Federico Bahamontes, Felice Gimondi, Lucien Aimar, Roger Pingeon, Jan Janssen, Joop Zoetemelk, Stephen Roche, Pedro Delgado, Miguel Indurain, Oscar Pereiro et Andy Schleck) quand sept y sont opposés (Lucien Van Impe, Bernard Thévenet, Greg LeMond, Bernard Hinault, Cadel Evans, Bradley Wiggins et Christopher Froome).

Deux n'ont pas d'opinion (Bjarne Riis et Carlos Sastre), deux autres ne veulent pas parler d'Armstrong (Eddy Merckx et Alberto Contador) et deux anciens (Ferdi Kubler et Roger Walkowiak) sont souffrants et n'ont pu répondre.

http://www.metronews.fr/sport/tour-...tre-reintegre-au-palmares/mngp!TFQfGsWrNNWTs/

 

[MarkvW]

This discussion really illustrates the pointlessness of "winning" an athletic contest.

 

[the sceptic]

Well, no one who played by the rules agreed it seems. As in: at this point it is sadly not possible to determine who were the riders actually playing by the rules.

Its impossible to know. Thats why Lance should be known as the winner, just like all the other dopers that have won grand tours.

Lance was simply better at doping than the competition and I dont blame him for that. Thats just how cycling is. If the UCI cant or wont prevent doping, then the best players will rise to the top.

 

[TailWindHome]

Its impossible to know. Thats why Lance should be known as the winner, just like all the other dopers that have won grand tours.

Lance was simply better at doping than the competition and I dont blame him for that. Thats just how cycling is. If the UCI cant or wont prevent doping, then the best players will rise to the top.

That's not logical though.

We know Lance doped - he should be DQd

Surely the questions isn't we was he stripped, it's why weren't the tours reallocated


(Y'all must have done this before)

 

[TailWindHome]

Lance's PR machine really is awesome.

 

[D-Queued]

That's not logical though.

We know Lance doped - he should be DQd

Surely the questions isn't we was he stripped, it's why weren't the tours reallocated


(Y'all must have done this before)

I already have the handle, and own this KOM. He has to get in line!

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

Lance's PR machine really is awesome.

Yup, the guy who wrote the article is one of Johan's best friends.