Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[laurel1969]

Interestingly, it was Perreiro's hypocrisy that ****ed off Landis and contributed to his decision to come clean and snitch on Lance and thus give the USADA what it needed to bring a case leading to Lance's expunction from the sport without which this thread would not have been possible...

....and back on topic.

 

[poupou]

Even if it was from a transfusion, the concentration of clen in the actual tranfused blood. 300-500 cc, would still not have been above the original testing threshold capabilities, or of any ergogenic benefit. So.....his clen positive was upheld because they assumed it was from a transfusion? Should of just busted him for that instead.....

That remember me the Al Capone case who was jailed for something like a fraud.

 

[veganrob]

That remember me the Al Capone case who was jailed for something like a fraud.

Tax evasion

 

[MonkeyFace]

Interestingly, it was Perreiro's hypocrisy that ****ed off Landis and contributed to his decision to come clean and snitch on Lance and thus give the USADA what it needed to bring a case leading to Lance's expunction from the sport without which this thread would not have been possible...

....and back on topic.

Do you enjoy making stuff up? Landis tried to get back into cycling and basically got blackballed. I don't think I have even heard him once mention Pereiro.

 

[MarkvW]

Do you enjoy making stuff up? Landis tried to get back into cycling and basically got blackballed. I don't think I have even heard him once mention Pereiro.

Read Kimmage's interview of Landis in 2011. Pererio's claim that Landis robbed him REALLY pissed Landis off. In his own words, it was one of the things that bothered him the most about the whole thing.

I don't see any direct connection to Armstrong, but who knows what goes on inside the mind of Fraud Landis.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Yes. Cycling is not the only sport to not sanction for small amounts of clenbuterol. Depending on where the athlete was in the world, it is a practical thing to do. Contador wasn't eating meet in in China. No free pass.

There are plenty of holes in the anti-doping system, this is not one of them.

Sorry to be contrarian, but Clen is a 100% zero tolerance. The presence in Contador's system was deemed by CAS as involuntary ingestion and yet upheld the suspension. Where then is the logic in MR and the Belgian guy having undisputed positives like Contador, deemed to be from involuntary ingestion, but got relief for exactly the same 'official' positives?

 

[Merckx index]

Sorry to be contrarian, but Clen is a 100% zero tolerance. The presence in Contador's system was deemed by CAS as involuntary ingestion and yet upheld the suspension. Where then is the logic in MR and the Belgian guy having undisputed positives like Contador, deemed to be from involuntary ingestion, but got relief for exactly the same 'official' positives?

Read the rules. There is a no fault clause, which was widely discussed here at the time. If the athlete is deemed to have the substance in his body through no fault of his own--contaminated meat in a country known to have lax inspection qualifies--then he can avoid any suspension.

Contador was not judged to be at no fault, even if it was a supplement (and all the ruling said was that that was the most likely explanation, not that it was definitely the explanation), because athletes are responsible for what supplements they consume.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Sorry to be contrarian, but Clen is a 100% zero tolerance. The presence in Contador's system was deemed by CAS as involuntary ingestion and yet upheld the suspension. Where then is the logic in MR and the Belgian guy having undisputed positives like Contador, deemed to be from involuntary ingestion, but got relief for exactly the same 'official' positives?

What about FuYu Li?

Please post this to a Floyd Landis thread. It's been covered before with differing opinions, none of them particularly wrong, on the matter.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

What about FuYu Li?

Please post this to a Floyd Landis thread. It's been covered before with differing opinions, none of them particularly wrong, on the matter.

Now I am wondering if Bruyneel isn't a common thread with Frank S and Fu Yu Li ? And Contador of course....

 

[Archibald]

Lance Armstrong, forgotten again so soon that his own threads no longer mention or discuss him...

SCA or Qui Tam movements, anyone? Former sougnier **** kissing? Busunderthrowery yet?

 

[D-Queued]

Lance Armstrong, forgotten again so soon that his own threads no longer mention or discuss him...

SCA or Qui Tam movements, anyone? Former sougnier **** kissing? Busunderthrowery yet?

Point well taken.

Thus, to those who have been arguing that doping didn't end with Lance, how about this:

One Rider to rule them all
One Rider to find them
One Rider to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

Once we get Lance into the boiling lava, there will be no unifying doping force.

Dave.

 

[Archibald]

Lance of the Rings?

plenty of AH's to be titled a "ring" in the scheme of it all - certainly a fellowship of "rings"...
LA, JB, Phat Pat, Hein, Weisel, etc, etc...

 

[D-Queued]

Lance of the Rings?

plenty of AH's to be titled a "ring" in the scheme of it all - certainly a fellowship of "rings"...
LA, JB, Phat Pat, Hein, Weisel, etc, etc...

Got me on the 'AH' for a second. I think I get it, and am laughing now!

Yup, what a bunch of AH's.

Dave.

 

[Archibald]

think "ring" of fire and curry

 

[Bosco10]

Stop at Nothing is now on Youtube:
http://youtu.be/GbwHT9EHDVE

 

[Microchip]

Thanks for the link. It was very good.

 

[Merckx index]

At 47:00, Lemond says LA mentioned Hemassist and PFCs. I found that very interesting. Didn't admit to taking them, but listed them with other drugs that he obviously was taking, like EPO. Certainly makes one wonder.

 

[Hawkwood]

What's the timeline for the legal case?

I've had a look online, but can't see what's next in the legal case can anyone enlighten me?

 

[Bannockburn]

At 47:00, Lemond says LA mentioned Hemassist and PFCs. I found that very interesting. Didn't admit to taking them, but listed them with other drugs that he obviously was taking, like EPO. Certainly makes one wonder.

HemAssist

– Unidentified sources in the government's investigation of Armstrong say he “gained access” to a drug, HemAssist. Aside from its proscribed use for blood loss patients, the substance didn't thicken the blood like EPO and was difficult to detect. Armstrong's lawyers say he couldn't have had access when the source says he did, although others say a stockpile remained after clinical trails ended in 1998.

VeloNews reported, however, that Dario Frigo was caught with vials of HemAssist in 2001.

http://www.bikingbis.com/2011/01/19...xamines-doping-allegations-against-armstrong/

 

[Oldman]

http://www.bikingbis.com/2011/01/19...xamines-doping-allegations-against-armstrong/

Anyone know who/where the clinical trials testing occurred? This is reminding me of some USPS Master that was involved in clinical research for "heart studies". His performances were out of this world around that period.

 

[Pazuzu]

Not the thread for it but there is plenty of evidence that it came from a transfusion.

I remember at the time all of that was going down there was talk of a 'plasticizer' test to detect transfused blood that's been stored in a plastic bag. Haven't heard anything about it since. What ever became of the 'platicizer' test? Is it currently in use?

 

[Race Radio]

I remember at the time all of that was going down there was talk of a 'plasticizer' test to detect transfused blood that's been stored in a plastic bag. Haven't heard anything about it since. What ever became of the 'platicizer' test? Is it currently in use?

No, It was not dependable enough. They are working on another test that will focus on the effect storage has on the cells

 

[Granville57]

They are working on another test that will focus on the effect storage has on the cells

Conversely, I've often wondered what effect the cells would have on storage.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

conversely, i've often wondered what effect the cells would have on storage.

winner!,,,,

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.bikingbis.com/2011/01/19...xamines-doping-allegations-against-armstrong/

Frigo did not have Hemmassit, he had Saline that he bought thinking it was Hemmassit.

Lance bragged to several teammates that he had found Hemmassit on his own, not through Ferrari. Even showed them then Baxter home page and bragged how he bought it all up.