Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Benotti69]

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Gene therapies are going to turn cycling into a biological freak show that makes what has come before look like a positively normal "even playing field."

one thing Gene Therapy will have to be very careful of his output, numbers etc....We have a pretty good idea of what is possible naturally, if riders destroy that cycling will have gone beyond the semi freak show it is now and never return and no doubt it will dwindle as sponsors wont attach their products to freaks.

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We'll see a "unique genetic specimen" rise to triumph, just like Lance...

Yeah right, when you have the federation in your back pocket there was nothing unique about Armstrong, when you were able to dope at will there is nothing unique. Even Armstrong's greed is not unique in sport nor is his stupidity.

If Armstrong had sense he would've skipped the odd TdF and won a couple of Giros and Vueltas an spread it around......

 

[DirtyWorks]

If Armstrong had sense he would've skipped the odd TdF and won a couple of Giros and Vueltas an spread it around......

Except, RCS (Giro) and UniPublic (Vuelta) might not have been supporters of Armstrong quite the way ASO and the UCI did.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Yes, and my bringing it up was inadvertent. My apologies to all.

close the thread or give yourself a warning.

 

[frenchfry]

The simple fact that Armstrong unleashed considerable resources (including Livestrong lobbyers) in an attempt to destroy USADA, and Tygart personally, is argument enough not to reduce his lifetime ban.

 

[Scott SoCal]

I think you're asking why I "spit in the soup?

Nope. Given your clear disdain for pro cycling...

And you are wrong. Right now, we're in a lag caused by the biopassport. That lag allows cleanish riders to challenge the sophisticated and semi-sophisticated dopers. That lag is never going to last. Gene therapies are going to turn cycling into a biological freak show that makes what has come before look like a positively normal "even playing field."

Pro cycling isn't any better. It's just as filthy and it's eagerly awaiting the next Lance-magnitude cheater to come along.

I'm asking why you bother with it.

Is it a case of not being able to look away from what you perceive as a train wreck or is it something else?

 

[DirtyWorks]

The simple fact that Armstrong unleashed considerable resources (including Livestrong lobbyers) in an attempt to destroy USADA, and Tygart personally, is argument enough not to reduce his lifetime ban.

Agree. But, if the CIRC has their way, Wonderboy gets a reduced ban. They have already plainly stated this. That, for me, is sufficient evidence the CIRC's purpose is equivalent to the Vrijman Report.

USADA is not the final authority. The cycling federation is the final authority.

Will people far above the UCI at the IOC agree to the UCI reducing the ban? They don't mind dopers or doping, but Bach has plainly stated his opinion that the lifetime ban should stand.

My wild guess is the Wonderboy/UCI hope is collective amnesia sets in and the CIRC report is supposed to help it along. This keeps Wonderboy quiet. How long does the CIRC process drag on?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Huh? It was SittingBison who gave the cease and desist, not Berzin. I see this more as miscommunication among Mods and not as some big hypocrisy or something.

Yes, but it's much easier to stir the **** calling out hypocrisy than miscommunication.

 

[MarkvW]

Nope. Given your clear disdain for pro cycling...





I'm asking why you bother with it.

Is it a case of not being able to look away from what you perceive as a train wreck or is it something else?

I wrote a manifesto. Read it. I like watching the filthy circus. It's like watching a continuous train wreck. My bike ethos is all about touring and commuting.

 

[MarkvW]

Yes, but it's much easier to stir the **** calling out hypocrisy than miscommunication.

The offending post remains up. There's no "miscommunication" going on.

 

[Bluenote]

The offending post remains up. There's no "miscommunication" going on.

Interesting conundrum, to delete posts or not.

Delete a post (insult, troll, bait, etc...) and you "clean up" evidence of someone's misdeeds. Leave posts up and it allows rulebreakers to get a free shot.

If Berzin's post was deleted, one could cry "cover up." If it's left up, one can cry "mod hypocrisy." Really a no win situation.

Of course, if posters could police themselves and discuss shirtless-gate without name calling and nasty insinuations, no mod action would be needed.

 

[Merckx index]

The frustratingly slow snail’s pace of legal and political processes cuts both ways for LA. It allows him to drag out the federal and SCA cases, delaying the time when he may take a massive financial hit, so he can continue to live a relatively lavish lifestyle for now. But it also prolongs his wait for a reduced ban, assuming he gets one. He’s now in his third year of not being able to compete in triathlons, and he’s not getting any younger.

Think about that. Even if his ban were completely rescinded today, he’s been out of the sport for more than two years--longer than most suspensions in most sports--at an age when those years become increasingly precious. And while time is on his side in the process by which people forget the past and become more inclined to let him return, the clock is also ticking as his body ages.

Beyond the money and the adulation, he's lost a lot that he can't ever recover.

 

[Benotti69]

Jeez if only Lance got a priest and spoke to some school kids, he could put this whole mess behind him.........

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I wrote a manifesto. Read it. I like watching the filthy circus. It's like watching a continuous train wreck. My bike ethos is all about touring and commuting.

You're like BPC with the hog's batting average...

Nobody is saying that Lance is the most evil person on the planet. What YOU can't do is show us ANYONE who has done the things Lance did to other people to hide his doping. See, we have PROOF of that behavior. All you have is suggestions that these mythical "others" are just as bad...

Scott wasn't calling you a name, he was merely identifying reality.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/stat...t-helm-of-lance-armstrong-founded-charity.ece

Livestrong CEO Doug Ullman leaving. Going to run Pelotonia......One of the many fundraising rides that paid Lance to attend

when he spoke at the inaugural Pelotonia cancer ride in Columbus, Ohio, in August 2009, he charged the startup charity his usual $200,000 speaking fee, including $100,000 worth of NetJets time

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/stat...t-helm-of-lance-armstrong-founded-charity.ece

Livestrong CEO Doug Ullman leaving. Going to run Pelotonia......One of the many fundraising rides that paid Lance to attend

No surprise on the one hand. Stick a fork in it (Livestrong).

Perhaps Ullman had a strong relationship with Pelotonia. Otherwise, like PT Barnum said, there's one born every minute.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Lance is such a good example of how to 'donate' your time to good causes..

 

[D-Queued]

Lance is such a good example of how to 'donate' your time to good causes..

Just had to make sure that his incidentals were covered.

Things like Jet fuel, Yellow Rose entourage, medicinals. You know, the standard treatment.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

In Qui Tam news, A while back I posted the Feds request for Letters rogatory. They have now submitted the various treaties that support their requests for the EU, Italy, and France.

The scope of the investigation continues to widen

 

[blackcat]

Just had to make sure that his incidentals were covered.

Things like Jet fuel, Yellow Rose entourage, medicinals. You know, the standard treatment.

Dave.

and bacchanalia. definite bacchanalia.

great great bacchanalia. definitely great bacchanalia.

so great in fact, italian prime minister silvio berlusconi came and he brought the "keynote speaker" ruby heartbreaker and it became bunga gunga.

did i put keynote speaker in inverted commas? yeah you did. do you think it is a bit heavyhanded? well now you say it, but i think the more worrying concern is the internal dialogue of jens voigt in your head. well, jens voigt will enjoy the bungabunga parties. he really enjoyed Jaja's potbelge and cocaine parties in the offseason with stuey.

 

[mewmewmew13]

^^^
fist pump re case widening..

 

[blackcat]

^^^
fist pump re case widening..

not the type of pump i was implying.

tho i luv it when FuxNews and Roger Ailes and Rupert and Bill Oreilly and Hannity got behind Obama and Michelle's terrorist fistbump at the last election campaign. hilarty no end.

 

[frenchfry]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/stat...t-helm-of-lance-armstrong-founded-charity.ece

Livestrong CEO Doug Ullman leaving. Going to run Pelotonia......One of the many fundraising rides that paid Lance to attend

A case of the rats abandoning the sinking ship? And when I refer to rats, it isn't just an expression.

Edit: Just how many cancer charities are there anyway? If I recall correctly, Ulman had a 300K+ salary at livestrong, how efficient is a charity that takes in about 10m a year that is going to pay someone this much? I am guessing that not a lot remains for cancer "research", it probably exploits the feel-good crowd but doesn't do much good in the end.

http://firstrunfeatures.com/pinkribbonsinc/

 

[fmk_RoI]

If I recall correctly, Ulman had a 300K+ salary at livestrong, how efficient is a charity that takes in about 10m a year that is going to pay someone this much?

Oh God, this. Again. It's like the pox, it just keeps coming back.

I am guessing that not a lot remains for cancer "research", it probably exploits the feel-good crowd but doesn't do much good in the end.

What research? Seriously, what research? This has been going on long enough now for people to know what the charity does and does not do.

 

[frenchfry]

Oh God, this. Again. It's like the pox, it just keeps coming back.



What research? Seriously, what research? This has been going on long enough now for people to know what the charity does and does not do.

Sorry I don't get your point.

 

[D-Queued]

Sorry I don't get your point.

Hi FF,

You inadvertently mentioned funding for research in the context of discussing Livestrong.

Probably a slip. As we know, Livestrong is the scam that infers or otherwise has alluded to some alignment with research in the past but not a dime has ever been sent that way.

Dave.