Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[MarkvW]

When it's over, Lance can sue Weasel to make him pay his fair share of the damages, but that doesn't seem likely. Any proof Lance has of Weasel's involvement would have been provided (by Lance) to Floyd by now--and that proof (whatever it is) wasn't enough for the judge.

Weasel was dismissed out awhile ago.

As for Lance's ability to manipulate the government with his vast powers and "influence," that tinfoil hat speculation is better left to posters (and mods) who buy that stuff as Gospel.

 

[Oldman]

When it's over, Lance can sue Weasel to make him pay his fair share of the damages, but that doesn't seem likely. Any proof Lance has of Weasel's involvement would have been provided (by Lance) to Floyd by now--and that proof (whatever it is) wasn't enough for the judge.

Weasel was dismissed out awhile ago.

As for Lance's ability to manipulate the government with his vast powers and "influence," that tinfoil hat speculation is better left to posters (and mods) who buy that stuff as Gospel.

I'd tend to agree on the influence buying. Who in their right mind wants to align with a toxic former celebulete?
As for Weasel going scot-free...not sure that will happen until final settlement.

 

[Night Rider]

Doping ended with the Festina affair. The UCI promised.

And that narrative was as laughable then as the current "clean generation" "doping ended in 2006" ones are. SCA were in it for the money.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Radio Shack towards Bankruptcy

Who'd have thought RadioShack would go to the wall before Lance did?
...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/01/15/radio-shack-bankruptcy-report/21799233/

RadioShack (RSH) shares plummeted more than 30% Thursday on a report that the company could file for bankruptcy protection reportedly as soon as next month.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...st-tour-de-france-christine-brennan/21779329/

spotted on raceradio's twitter

.. The public turned on him faster than it has ever turned on any worldwide hero in sports...

Armstrong still a winner in a way..

"He is the example that we use to show kids what happens to you when you cheat," Hooton said in a telephone interview Wednesday afternoon. "We do about 250 events a year, and have talked to about 1 million people since we started, and we use Lance's picture 100 % of the time.

Armstrong will be the world's poster athlete for cheating....another win.

 

[Oldman]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...st-tour-de-france-christine-brennan/21779329/

spotted on raceradio's twitter



Armstrong still a winner in a way..



Armstrong will be the world's poster athlete for cheating....another win.

At least one title no one can strip him of....

 

[Digger]

that article is nonsense - doping does pay and without doping lance wouldn't have had the millions to begin with - it's circular. And when all is said and done he'll still be better off than if he had walked away...same with Bonds, McGuire etc


And you tell me that the Garmin six month guys have paid for their behaviour....stupid piece.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

that article is nonsense - doping does pay and without doping lance wouldn't have had the millions to begin with - it's circular. And when all is said and done he'll still be better off than if he had walked away...same with Bonds, McGuire etc


And you tell me that the Garmin six month guys have paid for their behaviour....stupid piece.

In what way? Monetarily? Sure, he'll still be better off because he's not going to lose everything.

Better off as a person? No. If I were told I had to be either Bassons or Armstrong, I'd choose Bassons without question. I'd think you'd be likely to make the same choice, from what I know of you.

 

[the sceptic]

that article is nonsense - doping does pay and without doping lance wouldn't have had the millions to begin with - it's circular. And when all is said and done he'll still be better off than if he had walked away...same with Bonds, McGuire etc


And you tell me that the Garmin six month guys have paid for their behaviour....stupid piece.

The only thing missing was a quote from Betsy.

 

[Digger]

The only thing missing was a quote from Betsy.

Yes - teachable moment was missing from this piece.

Look at the hundred years of doping in the tour - and then tell me your behaviour catches up with you.

Guys like Sean Kelly - Virenque - on Eurosport - yet they doped all their careers. Their profile was made bigger because of their success - their success was achieved with the help of doping. Those guys are still earning money - so to think doping doesn't pay is laughable.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

that article is nonsense - doping does pay and without doping lance wouldn't have had the millions to begin with - it's circular. And when all is said and done he'll still be better off than if he had walked away...same with Bonds, McGuire etc


And you tell me that the Garmin six month guys have paid for their behaviour....stupid piece.

As to the last part, I get that you see equivalence in all dopers and Lance, and from a purely doping perspective, your reasoning is solid. When you look at the totality of the circumstances surrounding their doping, the difference in how they're viewed becomes much more clear. When you mention Dave Z, who outside of cycling knows who the fu*k that even is? Tommy D? Sure, there's some Eskimos somewhere missing a seal hunter, but outside of them and cycling fans, he's irrelevant. Ryder...well, Canadians know who the champion Canadian beaver hunter is, so I can see your point when it comes to Canada...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Yes - teachable moment was missing from this piece.

Look at the hundred years of doping in the tour - and then tell me your behaviour catches up with you.

Guys like Sean Kelly - Virenque - on Eurosport - yet they doped all their careers. Their profile was made bigger because of their success - their success was achieved with the help of doping. Those guys are still earning money - so to think doping doesn't pay is laughable.

If the lesson is: Teaching our kids that it's bad to EARN MONEY dishonestly as the only reason to be honest, we're well and truly fu*ked. I guess some people only think in those terms, but not everyone does.

 

[MarkvW]

The riders obviously believe that doping pays. There are no credible structures in place to prevent it. Science proves it works. A vibrant omertà culture exists to protect it. Only a fool would argue that doping doesn't pay. But it only pays in the sense that the purchase of a lottery ticket pays.

Lance Armstrong has had a fabulous fifteen years or so of extreme luxury. Even if he goes down hard and bankrupts, he'll still have his homestead and retirement, and won't be thrust into anything like poverty. Any fair person would have to conclude that doping paid well for Lance--big time--even though he got caught.

The only people squashed by doping are the peons who sacrifice everything to succeed in the pro peloton, or idiots like Ricco. Those people were doomed to get chewed up and spat out anyway by the exploitative culture of pro cycling, where even paychecks are often a gamble.

Pro cycling is a loser's game where only a very few profit. You must dope for even a chance to join that very few.

Bassons is a terrible example, because he simply couldn't cut it in the peleton because omertà drove him out. He didn't have what it takes to succeed (he wouldn't dope).

The harsh reality is that the only way to really get paid in pro cycling is to dope. It may only be a lottery ticket kind of chance, but there will always be fools lining up to take it.

 

[D-Queued]

The only thing missing was a quote from Betsy.

One has to imagine that even Betsy tires from hounding press every time Lance sneezes, or is mentioned anywhere about anything.

Dave.

 

[Merckx index]

Wilkins did, however, dismiss conspiracy and other claims against Thom Weisel, a California-based financier who owned the USPS team.
Landis "failed to allege that Mr. Weisel 'caused' to be made or used a false record or statement material to a false or fraudulent claim," Wilkins wrote. "Furthermore, there are insufficient allegations that Weisel had knowledge of the doping, and without such knowledge, he could not have had knowledge of any obligation to repay the government or have a purpose to conceal, avoid or decrease any such obligation."

This is old news now, but I'll repeat what I said when it first was reported. There are at least three pretty compelling pieces of evidence against Wiesel: 1) Emma testified he was present when the TUE was backdated; 2) Lemond said Wiesel threatened him about speaking against LA; 3) Steffens claimed that Wiesel told him (in FAXes) he was losing his job because he didn’t offer doping products.

Not sure what more the judge wants. Emma’s testimony in particular seems very damaging. Unless the judge has personally talked to Emma, and convinced himself that she was lying--or unless she has subsequently recanted--I don't know in what universe that testimony would not serve to substantiate Floyd's allegations.

But then the law, like any mythical God, works in mysterious ways.

 

[blackcat]

At least one title no one can strip him of....

yeah? I think he can be stripped of everything at Yellow Rose private rooms and blow^2

 

[MarkvW]

This is old news now, but I'll repeat what I said when it first was reported. There are at least three pretty compelling pieces of evidence against Wiesel: 1) Emma testified he was present when the TUE was backdated; 2) Lemond said Wiesel threatened him about speaking against LA; 3) Steffens claimed that Wiesel told him (in FAXes) he was losing his job because he didn’t offer doping products.

Not sure what more the judge wants. Emma’s testimony in particular seems very damaging. Unless the judge has personally talked to Emma, and convinced himself that she was lying--or unless she has subsequently recanted--I don't know in what universe that testimony would not serve to substantiate Floyd's allegations.

But then the law, like any mythical God, works in mysterious ways.

Don't mean to start a flame war with the haters, but here are some reasons why the facts you present might not have been considered sufficient.

LeMond's claim that Weasel threatened him doesn't imply knowledge of doping. It's essentially, if you threaten the value of my asset, I'll come after you.

"For another, Postal Service contracts didn't contain anti-doping clauses until 2001, four years after Steffen had left the team." Cite: http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/doping-scandal/Content?oid=2159188&storyPage=2 That article explains why Steffen didn't have a false claims case against the Posties.

Emma O'Reilly left cycling in 2000. The Prentice Steffen reasoning ought to apply here.

 

[Archibald]

Considering the overnight shenannigans in Switzerland with their move to negative interest, it would seem that senor Armstrong's [alleged] accounts would be decreasing...

Who said he's not losing everything? **



** this is of course if he's not involved in the massive shipping of accounts to the Caymens or Bermuda

 

[DirtyWorks]

Considering the overnight shenannigans in Switzerland with their move to negative interest, it would seem that senor Armstrong's [alleged] accounts would be decreasing...

Who said he's not losing everything? **



** this is of course if he's not involved in the massive shipping of accounts to the Caymens or Bermuda

Actually, anyone holding Swiss Francs is getting richer relative to other currencies. Too many people want the currency presumably for 'safety.' Probably in response to some other currency trying to devalue to boost trade. Macro economics works kind of backwards.

 

[86TDFWinner]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...st-tour-de-france-christine-brennan/21779329/

spotted on raceradio's twitter



Armstrong still a winner in a way..



Armstrong will be the world's poster athlete for cheating....another win.

Wasn't Brennan a Wonderboy apologist/ball washer at one point before he got busted? I could swear she was one of those folks who consistantly went to bat for him, despite everyone not named Wonderboy knowing he was a cheating doper. Brennan. Rick Reilly and that Buzz Bisinger ******bag were all Lance fanbois if I remember correctly?

 

[86TDFWinner]

One has to imagine that even Betsy tires from hounding press every time Lance sneezes, or is mentioned anywhere about anything.

Dave.

This X 1000

 

[Pazuzu]

Wasn't Brennan a Wonderboy apologist/ball washer at one point before he got busted? I could swear she was one of those folks who consistantly went to bat for him, despite everyone not named Wonderboy knowing he was a cheating doper. Brennan. Rick Reilly and that Buzz Bisinger ******bag were all Lance fanbois if I remember correctly?

I don't know. But i do know this: Brennan wrote a column after Birotte dropped the Federal investigation stating emphatically that the USADA investigation of Armstrong's doping should proceed with vigor.

 

[Archibald]

Actually, anyone holding Swiss Francs is getting richer relative to other currencies. Too many people want the currency presumably for 'safety.' Probably in response to some other currency trying to devalue to boost trade. Macro economics works kind of backwards.

A good many keep their own currency in those accounts - so i was told...

 

[Merckx index]

Wasn't Brennan a Wonderboy apologist/ball washer at one point before he got busted? I could swear she was one of those folks who consistantly went to bat for him, despite everyone not named Wonderboy knowing he was a cheating doper. Brennan. Rick Reilly and that Buzz Bisinger ******bag were all Lance fanbois if I remember correctly?

No, you're thinking of Sally Jenkins. Brennan has been very consistent.

And to be fair to Jenkins, well before LA confessed, she came out in support of Bonds and taking PEDs. Not a position most like, of course, but at least it made her support of LA even after the confession a little less hypocritical.

 

[blackcat]

Actually, anyone holding Swiss Francs is getting richer relative to other currencies. Too many people want the currency presumably for 'safety.' Probably in response to some other currency trying to devalue to boost trade. Macro economics works kind of backwards.

A good many keep their own currency in those accounts - so i was told...

peter schiff

monetary easing ROW