Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[DirtyWorks]

I'm still trying to reconcile this nonsense.

True to past examples, it must mean that there is bad news about to be announced on one or more of the lawsuits. Lance just trying to lay down a smokescreen.

With respect to Mercier, though, maybe he didn't dope back then but what is he on now? How much did Lance pay him for the about face.

As a reminder, this was the tune that Mercier was singing just two years ago:

"One of the most powerful athletes in the world has been held accountable for his actions," said Scott Mercier


...

Mercier said that about four months ago, when Armstrong's doping past really became a part of the public conversation, he had a frank conversation with his wife.

"'Honey,' she said, 'aren't you glad you're not coming home and sitting down with your son and daughter - telling your kids that you're a lying fraud.'"

Some people are willing to do whatever it takes to win.

As for Armstrong's now-stripped away titles, he's not sure Armstrong couldn't have won without the drugs. As Armstrong has now said, he wanted to be a part of a level playing field by also doping - Mercier just doesn't think that's a legitimate argument.

Ok, Scott, how much did Lance pay you for the infomercial???

Dave.

It was hypnosis! Another one of Cycling's infamous ocular events.

"Look into my eyes Bro. Repeat after me, Lance Armstrong was the best evar."

Or, "These are not the droids you are looking for." moment depending on your preferences.

 

[the sceptic]

I still don't get why Lance was the only rider who stole money from taxpayers. What about JV and Frankie and all the others?

 

[Benotti69]

I still don't get why Lance was the only rider who stole money from taxpayers. What about JV and Frankie and all the others?

JV refuses to discuss any details of reasoned decision relating to himself and Garmin dopers. All in the name of transparency and a life dedicated to anti doping.........


dont get all the hatred on the Andreus. Armstrong made them his targets. they merely decided they would not roll over. They showed backbone.

 

[poupou]

I still don't get why Lance was the only rider who stole money from taxpayers. What about JV and Frankie and all the others?

Owner of the team who contracted with US Postal as a sponsor, while JV and Frankie were only riders liked to their cycling team, not to sponsors!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Do you really think whether or not LA raced clean or not was that big of a deal in the eyes of the majority of the general American public?

Yes. They want some kind of confidence the game is being played on the field, not in some hotel room with the leader of the federation affecting the outcome of the game.

Viewers have a plethora of other sports where there is at least the appearance of confidence of an actual game being played.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I still don't get why Lance was the only rider who stole money from taxpayers. What about JV and Frankie and all the others?

JV and Frankie weren't Tailwind officers. The other principals do not have any visibility compared to Wonderboy.

This is kind of a typical setup in Hollywood where an actor is almost derisively described as "the talent" and the business managers/agents/producers are the ones making "the talent's" career working in relative obscurity. In this case, "the talent" has a role in her/his success, but lots and lots of work going on before the talent does her/his job.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

So all the clowns with the 6 month "suspensions"
Frankie, who doped, made money doping/riding for lance
Floyd, who doped, made money doping/riding, wrote a fiction book $, had a fiction "fund" $

They all get to go into USADA. Basically get NOTHING DONE TO THEM. After they help drop the hammer on Lance ( because he is a @55hole ). They are ****ed off that THERE going to have to answer for THERE character & depositions? C'mon? What did you think you would just ride off into the sunset. You people took a stand ( IMHO; rightfully so ). When YOU choose to take a stand. YOU hold your ground. Not only when it's convenient for YOU.

Maybe when you were chatting with Tygart. Getting Lance Hammered. You could have gotten Tygart to give you representation in future proceedings? You did your victory laps after he (Lance) appeared on Oprah. Now break out your checkbooks and pay your attorneys. Hold your stand!

Just a word on there future Depositions. When Lance's attorneys get there hands on all of the USADA depositions. And they no doubt pick them apart. IF?IF? Lance can beat his case based on some proof/evidence/inconsistencies/lies/half truths/credibilty issues. I would not be shocked to see . Those who may not have told the whole story. Be looking at some serious counter suits. Then they pay big attorney fee's. Could it be that they might be worried about that? Just a thought?

You clowns took your stand. HOLD IT!

I sea watt your saying. I dew no what you are getting at and you are on a role. Bee careful hear because it could bee two tough.

 

[MarkvW]

I still don't get why Lance was the only rider who stole money from taxpayers. What about JV and Frankie and all the others?

Maybe something could be provable against them, but it's not likely the money spent in suing them would exceed the money likely recovered from them. When you figure in their value as witnesses, the decision not to sue them (assuming they even could be sued) is a no-brainer.

This doesn't work out unfairly. Lance could always sue them, and argue that they should also be financially responsible.

 

[frenchfry]

I still don't get why Lance was the only rider who stole money from taxpayers. What about JV and Frankie and all the others?

Would it help if any responsibility was prorated based on earnings?

After rounding, that would probably put Frankie's share at about 0%

 

[MarkvW]

Would it help if any responsibility was prorated based on earnings?

After rounding, that would probably put Frankie's share at about 0%

Yes....nothing like that is ever going to happen.

 

[ray j willings]

Lance did not have to confess. Tygart could not get him even with the legal testimonies, he tried. Armstrong should have just carried on denying it. It would have made for great entertainment and some people would still have believed him, you know, all those pro riders etc who had no idea he was doping at the time

 

[thehog]

Lance did not have to confess. Tygart could not get him even with the legal testimonies, he tried. Armstrong should have just carried on denying it. It would have made for great entertainment and some people would still have believed him, you know, all those pro riders etc who had no idea he was doping at the time

The old equation: amount of good x number of people = ban length.

The new one is: If team = Garmin, Ban = 6 months.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Lance did not have to confess. Tygart could not get him even with the legal testimonies, he tried. Armstrong should have just carried on denying it. It would have made for great entertainment and some people would still have believed him, you know, all those pro riders etc who had no idea he was doping at the time

To the bolded, Tygart certainly "got him" with a lifetime ban. Maybe I'm misunderstanding?

He should have just went on denying, or something like it.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I'm still trying to reconcile this nonsense.

True to past examples, it must mean that there is bad news about to be announced on one or more of the lawsuits. Lance just trying to lay down a smokescreen.

With respect to Mercier, though, maybe he didn't dope back then but what is he on now? How much did Lance pay him for the about face.

As a reminder, this was the tune that Mercier was singing just two years ago:

"One of the most powerful athletes in the world has been held accountable for his actions," said Scott Mercier


...

Mercier said that about four months ago, when Armstrong's doping past really became a part of the public conversation, he had a frank conversation with his wife.

"'Honey,' she said, 'aren't you glad you're not coming home and sitting down with your son and daughter - telling your kids that you're a lying fraud.'"

Some people are willing to do whatever it takes to win.

As for Armstrong's now-stripped away titles, he's not sure Armstrong couldn't have won without the drugs. As Armstrong has now said, he wanted to be a part of a level playing field by also doping - Mercier just doesn't think that's a legitimate argument.

Ok, Scott, how much did Lance pay you for the infomercial???

Dave.

For those who may have forgotten or never heard how the Scott /Lance bromance came about...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-I-am-Lance-Armstrongs-best-riding-buddy.html

"Lance started following me on Twitter, which made me a little nervous," Mercier recalled. "I thought: "Why would he want to get in touch with me? "
Now why would Lance decide that it was time to finally get in touch with Scott ...
I'm suspicious of Lance's good intentions...when has he suddenly changed and become a new,gentler Lance simply out looking for new riding buddies??..

 

[blackcat]

For those who may have forgotten or never heard how the Scott /Lance bromance came about...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-I-am-Lance-Armstrongs-best-riding-buddy.html

"Lance started following me on Twitter, which made me a little nervous," Mercier recalled. "I thought: "Why would he want to get in touch with me? "
Now why would Lance decide that it was time to finally get in touch with Scott ...
I'm suspicious of Lance's good intentions...when has he suddenly changed and become a new,gentler Lance simply out looking for new riding buddies??..

hang on, did not Mercier leave the sport before Armstrong had signed with USPS?

 

[Oldman]

Fixed that for you.

Thanks, you knew what I meant. Pete Rose wouldn't have conspired with MLB, though. They don't share.

 

[mewmewmew13]

hang on, did not Mercier leave the sport before Armstrong had signed with USPS?

Like Frankie leaving & retiring before Floyd re the whole QuiTam thingie?

 

[DirtyWorks]

hang on, did not Mercier leave the sport before Armstrong had signed with USPS?

It doesn't matter. Wonderboy got his BFF to say what he needed him to say.

If BFF doesn't keep up the PR campaign, then he'll hit the enemy list sooner rather than later.

 

[mewmewmew13]

It doesn't matter. Wonderboy got his BFF to say what he needed him to say.

If BFF doesn't keep up the PR campaign, then he'll hit the enemy list sooner rather than later.

spot on


I added another..
http://capovelo.com/community/topic/3012-scott-mercier-and-lance-armstrong-restore-their-friendship/
“I don’t know where our friendship is going and it’s bizarre quite frankly,” admits Mercier. “He might be playing me, I don’t know. "
I don't know either Scott...

 

[D-Queued]

spot on


I added another..
http://capovelo.com/community/topic/3012-scott-mercier-and-lance-armstrong-restore-their-friendship/
?I don?t know where our friendship is going and it?s bizarre quite frankly,? admits Mercier. ?He might be playing me, I don?t know. "
I don't know either Scott...

D'ya think?



PT Barnum was right.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

It doesn't matter. Wonderboy got his BFF to say what he needed him to say.

If BFF doesn't keep up the PR campaign, then he'll hit the enemy list sooner rather than later.

Mercier or Vaughters?

Funny how the guys never doper but he is revered. JV dopes, dances around rhr doping question, bangs in a special favour for the Garmin dopers and is given the thumbs up.

You're a tough audience

 

[DirtyWorks]

D'ya think?



PT Barnum was right.

Dave.

Let's be fair to Mercier. Wonderboy gives you the 'best rider evar' hypnosis and it's hard not to fall under his spell. It's fair to call Wonderboy a master manipulator. Mercier will not be his last target.

 

[D-Queued]

Let's be fair to Mercier. Wonderboy gives you the 'best rider evar' hypnosis and it's hard not to fall under his spell. It's fair to call Wonderboy a master manipulator. Mercier will not be his last target.

Must be powerful Juju.

To go from 'liar, fraud, held accountable for his actions, couldn't have done it without doping'... to he deserves his TdF wins?

That is some kind of hypnosis.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Must be powerful Juju.

To go from 'liar, fraud, held accountable for his actions, couldn't have done it without doping'... to he deserves his TdF wins?

That is some kind of hypnosis.

Dave.

 

[thehog]

http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/165537

Still lying.

Former pro cyclist Lance Armstrong was issued two traffic citations in January for allegedly hitting two parked vehicles in Aspen?s West End and leaving the scene ? with his girlfriend apparently telling police initially that she had been behind the wheel in order to avoid national headlines.

Anna Hansen, a part-time Aspen resident who also lives in Austin, Texas, with Armstrong, also allegedly lied about whether the disgraced athlete had been drinking. She was cited for failing to report an accident and exceeding safe speed for conditions before those tickets on Jan. 12 were transferred to Armstrong, the former seven-time winner of the Tour de France who was stripped of his titles and eventually confessed to using performance-enhancing drugs.