Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[D-Queued]

no surprise and fan of Lance..

Makes sense.

I was confused by Lava magazine. Isn't that a dating site?

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Makes sense.

I was confused by Lava magazine. Isn't that a dating site?

Dave.

I have no clue
never heard of this...they're after Lance I think.maybe he chases pr0n on their website

 

[D-Queued]

I have no clue
never heard of this...they're after Lance I think.maybe he chases pr0n on their website

... lavalife...

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

I have no clue
never heard of this...they're after Lance I think.maybe he chases pr0n on their website

LAnce needs no tinder

he has The Yellow Rose!

 

[webvan]

Still not come to his senses it seems : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-armstrongs-lifetime-ban-unlikely-to-be-reduced

 

[urban attacker]

Lance in the newshttp and being no rat
://nydn.us/1q97ei7

 

[skippythepinhead]

Lance in the newshttp and being no rat
://nydn.us/1q97ei7

That really takes me back (to 2014 when it was published)...ah, memories!

 

[TShame]

wow, page 1128.

Anyway, Netflix posted the film Stop At Nothing, on Lance Armstrong.

 

[Benotti69]

Lance in the newshttp and being no rat
://nydn.us/1q97ei7

Published 5 Mar 2014? nearly a year ago. WTF!!!

 

[Bosco10]

Lance in the newshttp and being no rat
://nydn.us/1q97ei7

What is a newshttp?... and why is Lance in it?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Published 5 Mar 2014? nearly a year ago. WTF!!!

LOL
on top of current affairs

 

[mewmewmew13]

btw nice to see a new member appear just after hoggie was banned..

 

[grizzlee]

btw nice to see a new member appear just after hoggie was banned..

what was hoggie banned for this time?

 

[ebandit]

lanced

btw nice to see a new member appear just after hoggie was banned..

...........you really think that lance is gonna show up?

Mark L

 

[Semper Fidelis]

...........you really think that lance is gonna show up?

Mark L

He has been here before.

 

[doperhopper]

Oleg, srsly? Of all the possible signs of "changing times" you pick this?

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Tinkov also spoke about Lance Armstrong's recent interview with the BBC News where the Texan said if he were racing in 2015, he would not dope again. "That means that times are changing," Tinkov said. "I think it's a good sign."

 

[D-Queued]

Oleg, srsly? Of all the possible signs of "changing times" you pick this?

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Tinkov also spoke about Lance Armstrong's recent interview with the BBC News where the Texan said if he were racing in 2015, he would not dope again. "That means that times are changing," Tinkov said. "I think it's a good sign."

Welcome to cycling's version of 'Where's Waldo'.

Spot the lie(s)

1. Can we believe Oleg that Lance actually said that?
2. Can we believe that if Lance said that, he would actually do that?
3. Can we believe that times are changing?
4. How would a statement like that, from someone as self-absorbed and self-serving as Lance, actually equate to a good sign?

Or, maybe it is just the liar's paradox: This statement is false.

Dave.

 

[Archibald]

Welcome to cycling's version of 'Where's Waldo'.

Spot the lie(s)

1. Can we believe Oleg that Lance actually said that?
2. Can we believe that if Lance said that, he would actually do that?
3. Can we believe that times are changing?
4. How would a statement like that, from someone as self-absorbed and self-serving as Lance, actually equate to a good sign?

Or, maybe it is just the liar's paradox: This statement is false.

Dave.

And now we have senor Froome's little CIRC pow-wow. The circus that just keeps giving...

 

[Night Rider]

Still not come to his senses it seems : http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-armstrongs-lifetime-ban-unlikely-to-be-reduced

I don't know if I would give any weight to that just yet. It could be just a PR campaign by the usual suspects.

 

[D-Queued]

Never wanting to be too far out of the spotlight, Armstrong does figure prominently in the CIRC report.

While the report does not cite outright paid-for corruption, the collaboration with the UCI on multiple occasions is notable. The report does seem to highlight just how much of a special case he was when it came to hiding his doping.
- TUE
- Suspect EPO results & protected rider
- Vrijman deception
- Suspicion index lack of targeted testing

The observations that Armstrong & the UCI collectively conspired to heavily edit the Vrijman report would appear to illustrate the extent of the ongoing and coordinated deception.

Does that incident alone not underscore the extent of Armstrong's alleged defrauding activities vis-a-vis the Qui Tam?

Any chance that any of this could factor into that action?

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Thought #2 on CIRC Report & Armstrong (Thought #1 above)

CIRC did deny a reduced ban.

One theory that has often been floated is that Lance may not have new or fresh insight beyond what is already included in the comprehensive USADA reasoned decision.

With respect to the CIRC Report, however, it would seem that Armstrong could still add some not-yet-disclosed insight into the unique role and unique partnership that he obtained with the UCI to further his ongoing deception.

Thus, if it were only about his ban, wouldn't it make sense for him to sing like a canary?

Knowing that he, again, wrote the script on the questions he would be posed by CIRC, and bearing in mind that there must be some material insight he could provide, can there be any other conclusion than that he remains steadfastly focused on deceit and manipulation?

Dave.

 

[skippythepinhead]

Thought #2 on CIRC Report & Armstrong (Thought #1 above)

CIRC did deny a reduced ban.

One theory that has often been floated is that Lance may not have new or fresh insight beyond what is already included in the comprehensive USADA reasoned decision.

With respect to the CIRC Report, however, it would seem that Armstrong could still add some not-yet-disclosed insight into the unique role and unique partnership that he obtained with the UCI to further his ongoing deception.

Thus, if it were only about his ban, wouldn't it make sense for him to sing like a canary?

Knowing that he, again, wrote the script on the questions he would be posed by CIRC, and bearing in mind that there must be some material insight he could provide, can there be any other conclusion than that he remains steadfastly focused on deceit and manipulation?

Dave.

Not really.

BUT, I expect he'd have said more things (note my care not to call them "true things") if his financial future were less tenuous.

Would I, personally, take less money from Lance in exchange for every ounce of the truth?

Yes, yes I would.

Do I think it will happen?

No, no I do not.

We know Lance. Lance won't unfocus on deceit and manipulation until the truth pays Lance better.

 

[D-Queued]

Not really.

BUT, I expect he'd have said more things (note my care not to call them "true things") if his financial future were less tenuous.

Would I, personally, take less money from Lance in exchange for every ounce of the truth?

Yes, yes I would.

Do I think it will happen?

No, no I do not.

We know Lance. Lance won't unfocus on deceit and manipulation until the truth pays Lance better.

And, if the truth does pay better, expect an enhanced version for a bonus payment.

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

And, if the truth does pay better, expect an enhanced version for a bonus payment.

Dave.

thats the problem innit.

that if we seek a confirmation bias, Lance might retrofit this confirmation bias for his own resolve. regardless of the truth.

aint attempting to, or seeking truth, from Armstrong, just a rabbit hole escapade, and a logic fallacy. If Armstrong has no hold on truth, how can one possibly ascertain a truth thru his lens?

this is basically what the Abu Zubaydah waterboarding did. no relevance to truth.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Never wanting to be too far out of the spotlight, Armstrong does figure prominently in the CIRC report.

While the report does not cite outright paid-for corruption, the collaboration with the UCI on multiple occasions is notable. The report does seem to highlight just how much of a special case he was when it came to hiding his doping.
- TUE
- Suspect EPO results & protected rider
- Vrijman deception
- Suspicion index lack of targeted testing

The observations that Armstrong & the UCI collectively conspired to heavily edit the Vrijman report would appear to illustrate the extent of the ongoing and coordinated deception.

Does that incident alone not underscore the extent of Armstrong's alleged defrauding activities vis-a-vis the Qui Tam?

Any chance that any of this could factor into that action?

Dave.

One of the interesting features of the report is acknowledging some of the shenanigans, but then using Verbruggen's manufactured explanations to dismiss everything. They did this a few different times.