Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Semper Fidelis]

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Interesting listening to the podcast with Brajkovic - Did mention Landis and money in relationship to Armstrong's conviction for doping. Seems I'n not the only one who questions Landis' motives.

Brajkovic part of the omerta. Who cares what he thinks.

I have no time for Landis - Only admitted to doping because if the possibility of whistle blower money - The biggest contradiction is Landia was part of the team that allegedly defrauded the UD Government, but yet he may get a reward - So he could be double-dipping.

I already told you this but you don't seem to listen too well. Floyd's motivation was to strike at the UCI and USADA. The chance to possibly make a few bucks because while doing it was icing on the cake, and he currently does not think he will see one dollar from the qui tam.

Funny enough, taking Lance down was not just icing but a means to strike at USADA. Floyd expected Lance to fight to the end. He had the resources to do so. And that would expose how corrupt USADA was. Unfortunately Lance folded.

Seems a few are still focused on beating up on Floyd. To bad.

 

[yaco]

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Interesting listening to the podcast with Brajkovic - Did mention Landis and money in relationship to Armstrong's conviction for doping. Seems I'n not the only one who questions Landis' motives.

Landis is a slimeball, but Landis is a very, very heavily corroborated slimeball. He's telling the truth, that much is obvious.

Never disputed that Landis is telling the truth - There is more than enough evidence to corroborate his story.

 

[yaco]

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Interesting listening to the podcast with Brajkovic - Did mention Landis and money in relationship to Armstrong's conviction for doping. Seems I'n not the only one who questions Landis' motives.

Brajkovic part of the omerta. Who cares what he thinks.

I have no time for Landis - Only admitted to doping because if the possibility of whistle blower money - The biggest contradiction is Landia was part of the team that allegedly defrauded the UD Government, but yet he may get a reward - So he could be double-dipping.

I already told you this but you don't seem to listen too well. Floyd's motivation was to strike at the UCI and USADA. The chance to possibly make a few bucks because while doing it was icing on the cake, and he currently does not think he will see one dollar from the qui tam.

Funny enough, taking Lance down was not just icing but a means to strike at USADA. Floyd expected Lance to fight to the end. He had the resources to do so. And that would expose how corrupt USADA was. Unfortunately Lance folded.

Yes - But still the contradiction that Landis could get whistle-blower money if the Government wins their court case - But why would the US authorities give any money to Landis who wilfully shared in the money from US Postal during the relevant period ? I have never been comforatble with US justice.

 

[Netserk]

Motivation is irrelevant when assessing the moral quality of an action.

 

[staubsauger]

When exactly has Betsy become more ridiculous than Lance? Or should she eventually be thankful that Armstrong was such a sociopath and bully towards her, because after all it made people miss out on how pathetic and maniac she's herself!?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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When exactly has Betsy become more ridiculous than Lance? Or should she eventually be thankful that Armstrong was such a sociopath and bully towards her, because after all it made people miss out on how pathetic and maniac she's herself!?

Has something else happened? I must have missed it. Any link?

 

[staubsauger]

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When exactly has Betsy become more ridiculous than Lance? Or should she eventually be thankful that Armstrong was such a sociopath and bully towards her, because after all it made people miss out on how pathetic and maniac she's herself!?

Has something else happened? I must have missed it. Any link?

I refer to her, apparently quite insubstantial, claims regarding Armstrong and the motor doping. She looks kinda obsessed with him now, rather than providing any notable background information. I might be wrong of course. But what was presented yesterday at 60 minutes ain't so convincing that it would legitimate her hints and the whole big sketch around the topic. If Ferrari knew about motor doping already back in 1999, why would he get in touch with Varjas this century to learn about it?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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When exactly has Betsy become more ridiculous than Lance? Or should she eventually be thankful that Armstrong was such a sociopath and bully towards her, because after all it made people miss out on how pathetic and maniac she's herself!?

Has something else happened? I must have missed it. Any link?

I refer to her, apparently quite insubstantial, claims regarding Armstrong and the motor doping. She looks kinda obsessed with him now, rather than providing any notable background information. I might be wrong of course. But what was presented yesterday at 60 minutes ain't so convincing that it would legitimate her hints and the whole big sketch around the topic. If Ferrari knew about motor doping already back in 1999, why would he get in touch with Varjas this century to learn about it?

Oh ok. I have not seen her comments. That was what I was asking.

At some point it would be wise to stop kicking a dead horse. Some probably feel different about it but I think Lance has been shamed. Why go further? Maybe the personal stuff is too much for some. Me I would be done with it.

 

[Benotti69]

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Interesting listening to the podcast with Brajkovic - Did mention Landis and money in relationship to Armstrong's conviction for doping. Seems I'n not the only one who questions Landis' motives.

Brajkovic part of the omerta. Who cares what he thinks.

I have no time for Landis - Only admitted to doping because if the possibility of whistle blower money - The biggest contradiction is Landia was part of the team that allegedly defrauded the UD Government, but yet he may get a reward - So he could be double-dipping.

Landis did nothing different that nearly every other pro does or did. Yeah he blew the whistle on the sport that threw him away. Go Landis! Take them for as much as you can, F**k them!

 

[yaco]

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Interesting listening to the podcast with Brajkovic - Did mention Landis and money in relationship to Armstrong's conviction for doping. Seems I'n not the only one who questions Landis' motives.

Brajkovic part of the omerta. Who cares what he thinks.

I have no time for Landis - Only admitted to doping because if the possibility of whistle blower money - The biggest contradiction is Landia was part of the team that allegedly defrauded the UD Government, but yet he may get a reward - So he could be double-dipping.

Landis did nothing different that nearly every other pro does or did. Yeah he blew the whistle on the sport that threw him away. Go Landis! Take them for as much as you can, F**k them!

You miss the point - By definition whistle-blowers provide information that helps solve crimes - Whistle-blowers don't receive a reward if they are part of the crime - American justice is a worry.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Lol! Of course Wonderboy is going to deny it, just like he did doping for over a decade.


https://sports.yahoo.com/news/team-sky-lance-armstrong-deny-secret-motor-cheating-023025955--spt.html

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

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When exactly has Betsy become more ridiculous than Lance? Or should she eventually be thankful that Armstrong was such a sociopath and bully towards her, because after all it made people miss out on how pathetic and maniac she's herself!?

She was always like that. People were so focused on their opposition to Armstrong that they overlooked that Betsy is a grudge holding sociopath with a severe case of paranoia. She lives to start and pursue feuds, play the victim when it blows back on her, and then justify her own horrible actions by her victimhood. She is a vile person. Her actions and behavior in the aftermath of Armstrong's downfall showed everyone what she is, but there are still those who believe her self-proclaimed martyrdom.

She, her best pal Kathy LeMond, and Greg have not merely passed along fake news about Armstrong. They created the fake news. Betsy and her proxies think they have been running a smear campaign in secret but everyone has phones. Screenshots are easy to take and easy to pass around. The irony, of course, is this is the same thing they accused Lance of doing.

 

[lartiste]

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Interesting listening to the podcast with Brajkovic - Did mention Landis and money in relationship to Armstrong's conviction for doping. Seems I'n not the only one who questions Landis' motives.

Brajkovic part of the omerta. Who cares what he thinks.

I have no time for Landis - Only admitted to doping because if the possibility of whistle blower money - The biggest contradiction is Landia was part of the team that allegedly defrauded the UD Government, but yet he may get a reward - So he could be double-dipping.

Landis did nothing different that nearly every other pro does or did. Yeah he blew the whistle on the sport that threw him away. Go Landis! Take them for as much as you can, F**k them!

You miss the point - By definition whistle-blowers provide information that helps solve crimes - Whistle-blowers don't receive a reward if they are part of the crime - American justice is a worry.

if Landis will succeed, he will receive reward, I will try to find out the source for that claim, but it is clearly the reason of his behaviour ...

 

[woodburn]

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Interesting listening to the podcast with Brajkovic - Did mention Landis and money in relationship to Armstrong's conviction for doping. Seems I'n not the only one who questions Landis' motives.

Brajkovic part of the omerta. Who cares what he thinks.

I have no time for Landis - Only admitted to doping because if the possibility of whistle blower money - The biggest contradiction is Landia was part of the team that allegedly defrauded the UD Government, but yet he may get a reward - So he could be double-dipping.

Landis did nothing different that nearly every other pro does or did. Yeah he blew the whistle on the sport that threw him away. Go Landis! Take them for as much as you can, F**k them!

You miss the point - By definition whistle-blowers provide information that helps solve crimes - Whistle-blowers don't receive a reward if they are part of the crime - American justice is a worry.

Actually, federal law is explicitly written to encourage whistle-blowers to come forward. That's why they provide the monetary incentive. Because otherwise, the fears of reprisal and future earnings would convince people to stay quiet. Anybody who is a whistle-blower by definition is involved in or has knowledge of the crime.

 

[yaco]

There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.

 

[StryderHells]

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There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.

It doesn't really matter, Landis did wrong and that is not in doubt but he's come forward and you can't honestly be doubting the information he's passed on wasn't the right thing to do.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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When exactly has Betsy become more ridiculous than Lance? Or should she eventually be thankful that Armstrong was such a sociopath and bully towards her, because after all it made people miss out on how pathetic and maniac she's herself!?

She was always like that. People were so focused on their opposition to Armstrong that they overlooked that Betsy is a grudge holding sociopath with a severe case of paranoia. She lives to start and pursue feuds, play the victim when it blows back on her, and then justify her own horrible actions by her victimhood. She is a vile person. Her actions and behavior in the aftermath of Armstrong's downfall showed everyone what she is, but there are still those who believe her self-proclaimed martyrdom.

She, her best pal Kathy LeMond, and Greg have not merely passed along fake news about Armstrong. They created the fake news. Betsy and her proxies think they have been running a smear campaign in secret but everyone has phones. Screenshots are easy to take and easy to pass around. The irony, of course, is this is the same thing they accused Lance of doing.

And she's fat. Don't forget that one. Also, everyone has screenshots of Landis stuffing pickles up his nose. So easy to pass around. That's why I'll never post them.

John Swanson

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Thought so. Marlon Rando shows up pretending to be an insider that's taken up residence in Landis' head. Lots of wild claims and absolutely nothing to back it up. Pathetic.

John Swanson

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

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Thought so. Marlon Rando shows up pretending to be an insider that's taken up residence in Landis' head. Lots of wild claims and absolutely nothing to back it up. Pathetic.

John Swanson

I have found that talking to people provides a much more complete and nuanced picture of a situation than the long distance hagiography you employ to know what is what.

Pathetic you view things so simplistically that you cannot see Betsy for what she is. Sometimes, probably more often that not, there are no good guys and bad guys, there are just a lot of bad guys (and gals). This is one of those times.

Maybe in between kissing Betsy's feet you can ask her when she plans to apologize for making up and spreading rumors that LA was using a motor.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

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There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.

This is one of the reasons Floyd does not expect to make much, maybe anything, off of the case. He thinks the DOJ has it in for him and it will use a provision in the law that applies to participants in a fraud to reduce the reward.

 

[MarkvW]

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Thought so. Marlon Rando shows up pretending to be an insider that's taken up residence in Landis' head. Lots of wild claims and absolutely nothing to back it up. Pathetic.

John Swanson

Getting the Choir back together?

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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Thought so. Marlon Rando shows up pretending to be an insider that's taken up residence in Landis' head. Lots of wild claims and absolutely nothing to back it up. Pathetic.

John Swanson

I have found that talking to people provides a much more complete and nuanced picture of a situation than the long distance hagiography you employ to know what is what.

Pathetic you view things so simplistically that you cannot see Betsy for what she is. Sometimes, probably more often that not, there are no good guys and bad guys, there are just a lot of bad guys (and gals). This is one of those times.

Maybe in between kissing Betsy's feet you can ask her when she plans to apologize for making up and spreading rumors that LA was using a motor.

Sure thing Rando Calrissian. Sure thing...

John Swanson

 

[Netserk]

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There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.

This is one of the reasons Floyd does not expect to make much, maybe anything, off of the case. He thinks the DOJ has it in for him and it will use a provision in the law that applies to participants in a fraud to reduce the reward.

I don't know the ins and outs of this, but I thought the reason Armstrong was sued was because he owned a part of the team, and as such was a part of those defrauding the state. Afaik, that is not the case for Landis. Am I missing something obvious here?

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

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There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.

This is one of the reasons Floyd does not expect to make much, maybe anything, off of the case. He thinks the DOJ has it in for him and it will use a provision in the law that applies to participants in a fraud to reduce the reward.

I don't know the ins and outs of this, but I thought the reason Armstrong was sued was because he owned a part of the team, and as such was a part of those defrauding the state. Afaik, that is not the case for Landis. Am I missing something obvious here?

I can ask Floyd about it, but he has brought it up a number of times when we have discussed the case. He says the DOJ can use the fact that someone who is an active participant in a conspiracy to defraud the government to reduce the normal range percent range of an award. Basically, he thinks the DOJ has it in for him and will use any way it can to screw him over. He was pissed off that the DOJ would not accept the settlement with Lance's business manager, and look how that turned out.

 

[Netserk]

Okay, thanks.