Weird that people are still so fixated on LA that it prevents them seeing how Betsy's pathology and access to a fame machine transcended any injury she suffered in this debacle.
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StryderHells said:It doesn't really matter, Landis did wrong and that is not in doubt but he's come forward and you can't honestly be doubting the information he's passed on wasn't the right thing to do.yaco said:There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.
DamianoMachiavelli said:yaco said:There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.
This is one of the reasons Floyd does not expect to make much, maybe anything, off of the case. He thinks the DOJ has it in for him and it will use a provision in the law that applies to participants in a fraud to reduce the reward.
Today? Sure.yaco said:How a sponsor can say they were 100% naive about doping in cycling is baffling
Given what LA said about, and did to, Betsy and Frankie, any reasonable person would give her a pass to say anything she wanted about him.DamianoMachiavelli said:Maybe in between kissing Betsy's feet you can ask her when she plans to apologize for making up and spreading rumors that LA was using a motor.
yaco said:StryderHells said:It doesn't really matter, Landis did wrong and that is not in doubt but he's come forward and you can't honestly be doubting the information he's passed on wasn't the right thing to do.yaco said:There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.
Yet another missing the point - How can you reward a whistle-blower if they are intimately part of the crime - They are being rewarded twice - Then again this is American justice which has its own issues - What I think of Landis is a separate issue.
mikez said:How long are you guys going to fixate on Lance Armstrong? It's entertaining in a reality TV show kind of way but........
MarkvW said:yaco said:StryderHells said:It doesn't really matter, Landis did wrong and that is not in doubt but he's come forward and you can't honestly be doubting the information he's passed on wasn't the right thing to do.yaco said:There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.
Yet another missing the point - How can you reward a whistle-blower if they are intimately part of the crime - They are being rewarded twice - Then again this is American justice which has its own issues - What I think of Landis is a separate issue.
You often need informers to crack a conspiracy. And what's the harm in paying an informant out of recovered money that wouldn't have been recovered without his information?
Fraud ought to get paid. Maybe just exactly enough to pay back his victims? That would be sweet!
yaco said:MarkvW said:yaco said:StryderHells said:It doesn't really matter, Landis did wrong and that is not in doubt but he's come forward and you can't honestly be doubting the information he's passed on wasn't the right thing to do.yaco said:There is a difference in being aware of a crime and actually participating in the crime - Little I can do if you can't see the difference.
Yet another missing the point - How can you reward a whistle-blower if they are intimately part of the crime - They are being rewarded twice - Then again this is American justice which has its own issues - What I think of Landis is a separate issue.
You often need informers to crack a conspiracy. And what's the harm in paying an informant out of recovered money that wouldn't have been recovered without his information?
Fraud ought to get paid. Maybe just exactly enough to pay back his victims? That would be sweet!
This is a case of the DOJ unnecessarily throwing their weight around - It's not like all the sponsors have sued Armstrong.
We know.MarkvW said:mikez said:How long are you guys going to fixate on Lance Armstrong? It's entertaining in a reality TV show kind of way but........
I am waiting for final judgment in the qui tam.
Dammmmm man ,,,, i missed this. LOL at your post.aphronesis said:Weird that people are still so fixated on LA that it prevents them seeing how Betsy's pathology and access to a fame machine transcended any injury she suffered in this debacle.
Semper Fidelis said:Dammmmm man ,,,, i missed this. LOL at your post.aphronesis said:Weird that people are still so fixated on LA that it prevents them seeing how Betsy's pathology and access to a fame machine transcended any injury she suffered in this debacle.
Ninety5rpm said:Given what LA said about, and did to, Betsy and Frankie, any reasonable person would give her a pass to say anything she wanted about him.DamianoMachiavelli said:Maybe in between kissing Betsy's feet you can ask her when she plans to apologize for making up and spreading rumors that LA was using a motor.
aphronesis said:You saying Betsy didn't play people like you well after the sell-by date? Ok.
It is interesting. Especially when for some unknown reason the "flowchart playbook" always has that arrow pointed back to one person Lance. That begins to feel really tired and worn out to most folks who can think for themselves.Brian Butterfield said:aphronesis said:You saying Betsy didn't play people like you well after the sell-by date? Ok.
"people like you".
What interesting times we live in.
Interesting- care to point out the carefully crafted lies and paranoia in her public statements on lance . I'm keen to know which parts are lies and how you come to know it was carefully crafted yet also deluded(paranoid).DamianoMachiavelli said:Ninety5rpm said:Given what LA said about, and did to, Betsy and Frankie, any reasonable person would give her a pass to say anything she wanted about him.DamianoMachiavelli said:Maybe in between kissing Betsy's feet you can ask her when she plans to apologize for making up and spreading rumors that LA was using a motor.
Thanks for that. Above in a nutshell we have Betsy and her bootlickers summed up: It is okay for Betsy to lie, to spread false rumors, to create fake news, and to give weight to alternative facts because she claims someone did that to her years ago. This kicker is that a good portion of what she publicly blamed on Lance was the result of either her own paranoia or a carefully crafted lie to tar Lance. She is still at it.
Betsy's lies about Lance did not start with motor doping. It was her tactic from the beginning.
noddy69 said:Interesting- care to point out the carefully crafted lies and paranoia in her public statements on lance . I'm keen to know which parts are lies and how you come to know it was carefully crafted yet also deluded(paranoid).DamianoMachiavelli said:Ninety5rpm said:Given what LA said about, and did to, Betsy and Frankie, any reasonable person would give her a pass to say anything she wanted about him.DamianoMachiavelli said:Maybe in between kissing Betsy's feet you can ask her when she plans to apologize for making up and spreading rumors that LA was using a motor.
Thanks for that. Above in a nutshell we have Betsy and her bootlickers summed up: It is okay for Betsy to lie, to spread false rumors, to create fake news, and to give weight to alternative facts because she claims someone did that to her years ago. This kicker is that a good portion of what she publicly blamed on Lance was the result of either her own paranoia or a carefully crafted lie to tar Lance. She is still at it.
Betsy's lies about Lance did not start with motor doping. It was her tactic from the beginning.
in 2006?Semper Fidelis said:It is interesting. Especially when for some unknown reason the "flowchart playbook" always has that arrow pointed back to one person Lance. That begins to feel really tired and worn out to most folks who can think for themselves.Brian Butterfield said:aphronesis said:You saying Betsy didn't play people like you well after the sell-by date? Ok.
"people like you".
What interesting times we live in.
Then again the flat earth'''ers believe doping ended when LA was busted and sent to shame land.