Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[MD FACG FACP]

Present family off limits, all kids OFF limits. But Kristin ha handed out drugs to other riders, just a nice Christian girl....ya right.

 

[thehog]

Present family off limits, all kids OFF limits. But Kristin ha handed out drugs to other riders, just a nice Christian girl....ya right.

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[Big Daddy]

Present family off limits, all kids OFF limits. But Kristin ha handed out drugs to other riders, just a nice Christian girl....ya right.

The hypocrisy of Lance Armstrong supporters talking smack about Kathy Lemond, Betsy Andreu, Emma O'Reilly, etc.. Then, they say that "family" such as Kristin Armstrong, and Cheryl Crowe, are off limits. Total BS.

 

[D-Queued]

The hypocrisy of Lance Armstrong supporters talking smack about Kathy Lemond, Betsy Andreu, Emma O'Reilly, etc.. Then, they say that "family" such as Kristin Armstrong, and Cheryl Crowe, are off limits. Total BS.

It is a good point.

But, so is saying that family is off limits.

In Kristin's case, however, no way. She aided and abetted.

And, Lance admitted that he sought out her counsel about doping on his return.

That suggests a lot of premeditation on Lance's part. Not that this would be a particular surprise. It also suggests collusion, even if her advice was negative. But, how do we know Lance is telling the truth? Her recent involvement removes statute of limitation concerns.

Seems like Kristin should be back on the stand. No spousal privilege for an ex-spouse.

In fact, we should review the Trek vs Lemond deposition/testimony along with Herman's baseless arguments and his conflict of interest.

Dave.

 

[frenchfry]

me too. I thought he wanted support for his anti-doping for the criminal sentence. I hope I was not sold down the river. well, if you play with fire, I suppose I could be getting a comeuppance too

Me three. One slick dude Mr. Papp.

 

[shades1]

this story has to go to the big screen its just soooo massive .

i wonder what directors , actors will be coming forward .

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Lance was the leader make no mistake about it

But his "success" rested on systemic corruption that went beyond anything he could have personally orchestrated, although he was a wilful player.

This is about as naive as it gets. Armstrong as the USADA Reasoned Decision clearly points out was the initiator, instigator, mastermind, comptroller, conducter and hub of the greatest sports fraud in history. The system (The UCI, the TDF and Cycling USA) only let him get away with it.

 

[spiaggia]

In the world of lying cheating sociopathic scumbagging professionals such as Bernie Madoff and Armstrong, the difference is:

Madoff gave his post-conviction confession interview to a news journalist who had complete access to the facts. Madoff didn't need to show up.

But, Armstrong gave his "Guess what DOJ, USADA, & WADA? I'm still holding all the cards but I've promised to be completely honest." interview to a former daytime talk-show host. Technically, Armstrong didn't need to show up either.

Ratings and ill-informed soft-ball questions trumped truth.

Juan Pelota 1: Cycling 0 (but it's still very early in the game).

 

[zebedee]

This is about as naive as it gets. Armstrong as the USADA Reasoned Decision clearly points out was the initiator, instigator, mastermind, comptroller, conducter and hub of the greatest sports fraud in history. The system (The UCI, the TDF and Cycling USA) only let him get away with it.

How do you or USADA know whether this was the greatest doping scheme ever?
The fact is none of us know. Presumably there were equally sophisticated doping operations going on elsewhere, mostly still undiscovered.

What USADA claimed was hyperbole; a soundbite, used for effect.

 

[TheEnoculator]

I have no intention in talking about his family.
They are not to blame for his actions.

Why is family off limits? When we talk about the ones he bullied, Betsy and Frankie Andreu, Greg and Kathy Lemond, these are all families, so why can't we talk about Armstrong's? I never said his family is to be blamed for his behaviour, but they have to deal with his crap too; his son had to defend him, he even got Kristin involved in the drug distribution.

 

[thirteen]

Why is family off limits? When we talk about the ones he bullied, Betsy and Frankie Andreu, Greg and Kathy Lemond, these are all families, so why can't we talk about Armstrong's? I never said his family is to be blamed for his behaviour, but they have to deal with his crap too; his son had to defend him, he even got Kristin involved in the drug distribution.

believe it or not, there is a level of decorum here, even in The Clinic.

we do not discuss children. period.

they have access to the internet and what you say can be very hurtful to them. be honourable -- let it go. don't talk about the kids.

wives, ex-wives (especially when they are complicit), and girlfriends seem to be fair game.

 

[hrotha]

Why is family off limits? When we talk about the ones he bullied, Betsy and Frankie Andreu, Greg and Kathy Lemond, these are all families, so why can't we talk about Armstrong's? I never said his family is to be blamed for his behaviour, but they have to deal with his crap too; his son had to defend him, he even got Kristin involved in the drug distribution.

Because it was Armstrong messing with those people, not his family.

Well, Kristin is fair game as she obviously played a role.

 

[Benotti69]

Because it was Armstrong messing with those people, not his family.

Well, Kristin is fair game as she obviously played a role.

Not only played a role but benefitted greatly from it too.

She is a now minor celeb in the running world. She uses (that might change soon though) his name 'Armstrong' to make money.

 

[martinvickers]

Why is family off limits? When we talk about the ones he bullied, Betsy and Frankie Andreu, Greg and Kathy Lemond, these are all families, so why can't we talk about Armstrong's? I never said his family is to be blamed for his behaviour, but they have to deal with his crap too; his son had to defend him, he even got Kristin involved in the drug distribution.

We don't talk about them because they were families - we talk about them because each individual was bullied - we don't mention Frankie Andreu's brothers or sisiters - because THEY WEREN'T INVOLVED.

Betsy was involved - not as family, but as a witness in her own right. Same with Kathy. Same with Kristen for that matter.

Armstrongs pre-teenage kids had damn all to do with it.

So yes, families are off limits, unless they are actually involved in the story.

 

[trailrunner]

She is a now minor celeb in the running world.

Another unfortunate fallout from the Armstrong affair. Sometimes I think her columns are ghost written and they just put her face on the story to appeal to women.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Rumpelstiltskin

So yes, families are off limits, unless they are actually involved in the story.

Who do you think you are - preaching the gospel !!

You, Jimmy Fingers, Joachim...the Sky Boys in other words...been members for ...oooooo all of 2 months.

Joined when SKY realised how influential the Clinic is.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

The family question is a tricky one. Discussion of partner's participation in doping practices is allowed, especially when the rider in question has already commented on it.

The kids: on the whole, we stay away from them. IN this particular instance, Armstrong himself introduced the issue, my mentioning his oldest son.

I think the best thing to do is just for everyone to say, "This is very hard for his kids" and leave it at that. There is not really anything to be gained by going into more detail, nor frankly, is it really relevant to this forum.

Susan

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Another unfortunate fallout from the Armstrong affair. Sometimes I think her columns are ghost written and they just put her face on the story to appeal to women.

From what I've read the quality of the writing is so poor that I can't think the articles are written by a professional journalist.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

this story has to go to the big screen its just soooo massive .

i wonder what directors , actors will be coming forward .

Agreed, but if the script is finalised soon then it wouldn't be right as the dust hasn't quite settled on everything Lance has done.

When Matt Damon was talking about playing him he said "I love the guy".

At that stage it didn't seem the movie would be appropriately damning.

 

[thirteen]

already in the works: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/jan/21/lance-armstrong-film-jj-abrams

 

[martinvickers]

already in the works: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/jan/21/lance-armstrong-film-jj-abrams

If Armstrong is Bane, can we have Bruyneel as Talia Al Ghul?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

How do you or USADA know whether this was the greatest doping scheme ever?
The fact is none of us know. Presumably there were equally sophisticated doping operations going on elsewhere, mostly still undiscovered.

What USADA claimed was hyperbole; a soundbite, used for effect.

Actually, what USADA said and what has been reported since is different.

Here is the quote from the Reasoned Decision (which Oprah quoted correctly):
"The evidence shows beyond any doubt that the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."

That is entirely correct.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why is family off limits? When we talk about the ones he bullied, Betsy and Frankie Andreu, Greg and Kathy Lemond, these are all families, so why can't we talk about Armstrong's? I never said his family is to be blamed for his behaviour, but they have to deal with his crap too; his son had to defend him, he even got Kristin involved in the drug distribution.

But your original point was how it would impact on his family, indeed you went further to opine on what would come of his kids, and what his 'wife' should do.
All I said was "personally", I find that off limits. Armstrong is a doper, a bully and he did some disgraceful acts.
But no-one knows his abilities as a parent, and quite frankly as it has zero relation to cycling or his doping then I don't see any reason (for me) to discuss it.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Adolf gets the bad news .

A little humour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5YrDkcbcvOQ#!

 

[D-Queued]

Actually, what USADA said and what has been reported since is different.

Here is the quote from the Reasoned Decision (which Oprah quoted correctly):
"The evidence shows beyond any doubt that the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."

That is entirely correct.

It also reconfirms the oft-contested point that cycling is Numero Uno for doping.

Thanks go to the UCI for this status!

Dave.