Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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86TDFWinner

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frenchfry said:
Advice to Betsy - distance yourself as much as possible from this guy and his paid thugs. Despite your good intentions, no good will come from further interactions. You are only hurting youself.

Those who have refused to respond to Armstrong's contact attempts (and I would think the list of attempts is extremely short) have shown the correct rational response.

Let his lawyers (paid thugs) do their thing to save what is left of his little empire built on ill gotten gains, and let him fade to oblivion in his calculating, sociopathic little world.
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Spot on! Betsy would be wise to steer clear of Wonderboy.
 
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86TDFWinner said:
Lol! Sad that Wonderboy actually thought LeMond would have anything to do with him, what a pathetic human being he is. LeMond was right in not taking his calls.
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You don't say...and that cracked me up as well "After this story was initially published, Armstrong posted additional text messages to a website Monday. He soon removed the messages from the website after he said his girlfriend told him to shut up. Those messages are included below:" - dude's on a short leash too it seems now, no longer the macho man from the Yellow Rose!

Also

He has chosen to fight. And his reputation is at an all-time low, according to The Q Scores Company, a firm that measures the popularity of celebrities and brands. Sixty-five percent of the general public said they view Armstrong negatively or fair at best, the firm said.

"That exposure (with Winfrey) did not help him whatsoever," said Henry Schafer, the firm's executive vice president.
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How pathetic, at least Lemond got the satisfaction of turning down his calls.

On the other hand it *is* possible that he doesn't specifically remember telling his doctors in the presence of the Andreu's that he did dope as it seems no one made any comments on the spot, which would have made the confession more "memorable"...
 
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In response to one lawsuit, his lawyers argue that any false or misleading statements in his autobiographies are protected by his right to free speech. Regarding another suit, a civil fraud case filed by the federal government, his legal team argues that his cycling team's sponsor, the U.S. Postal Service, was not defrauded because the USPS should have known about cycling's rampant doping problem.
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Free speech protects the right of individuals to lie, yes, but does it allow them to lie in order to make money? I don't think so. An awful lot of scams have been broken up on those grounds.

As for USPS, I thought LA's argument was that they profited from the association. Now he's saying USPS should have known? So that anti-doping clause in the contract was just for show? It was supposed to be understood by both sides that it wasn't serious, and carried no legal weight?

His refusal to meet with Betsy sounds like paranoia. How could she possibly harm him or his interests in a five minute meeting? If he and his lawyers were concerned about his confessing to the hospital scene, he could have just repeated his "I don't recall" (that was made famous during the Watergate hearings, by the way. Almost all the principals relied on that). He could have said he was sorry without actually confessing. Betsy would have taken that.

I don't think LA understands Betsy at all. She might have indeed been well advised to steer clear of him, but she was willing to meet him, willing to forgive, even wanted to give him a picture for old times sake. I don't think anyone else LA harassed was willing to come this far. When you're in the position LA is in, you should embrace people like this, they are the best friends you have.
 
blackcat

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Free speech protects the right of individuals to lie, yes, but does it allow them to lie in order to make money? I don't think so. An awful lot of scams have been broken up on those grounds.

As for USPS, I thought LA's argument was that they profited from the association. Now he's saying USPS should have known? So that anti-doping clause in the contract was just for show? It was supposed to be understood by both sides that it wasn't serious, and carried no legal weight?

His refusal to meet with Betsy sounds like paranoia. How could she possibly harm him or his interests in a five minute meeting? If he and his lawyers were concerned about his confessing to the hospital scene, he could have just repeated his "I don't recall" (that was made famous during the Watergate hearings, by the way. Almost all the principals relied on that). He could have said he was sorry without actually confessing. Betsy would have taken that.

I don't think LA understands Betsy at all. She might have indeed been well advised to steer clear of him, but she was willing to meet him, willing to forgive, even wanted to give him a picture for old times sake. I don't think anyone else LA harassed was willing to come this far. When you're in the position LA is in, you should embrace people like this, they are the best friends you have.
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part of what USPS was buying was the intagibles from the sponsorship: a goodwill annuity of winning the Tour de France.

now they have incurred an inverted goodwill annuity, that will keep on hurting as it is in the annals and records as the biggest sports fraud in history. what is that cost to ameliorate? seems the association benefit argument, is god awful and easily turned on its head.
 
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Merckx index said:
Free speech protects the right of individuals to lie, yes, but does it allow them to lie in order to make money? I don't think so. An awful lot of scams have been broken up on those grounds.

As for USPS, I thought LA's argument was that they profited from the association. Now he's saying USPS should have known? So that anti-doping clause in the contract was just for show? It was supposed to be understood by both sides that it wasn't serious, and carried no legal weight?

His refusal to meet with Betsy sounds like paranoia. How could she possibly harm him or his interests in a five minute meeting? If he and his lawyers were concerned about his confessing to the hospital scene, he could have just repeated his "I don't recall" (that was made famous during the Watergate hearings, by the way. Almost all the principals relied on that). He could have said he was sorry without actually confessing. Betsy would have taken that.

I don't think LA understands Betsy at all. She might have indeed been well advised to steer clear of him, but she was willing to meet him, willing to forgive, even wanted to give him a picture for old times sake. I don't think anyone else LA harassed was willing to come this far. When you're in the position LA is in, you should embrace people like this, they are the best friends you have.
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Nothing worse than facing someone who knows the truth.

Looking into their eyes knowing they know. Knowing they know you know.
 
ToreBear

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About the hospital incident, I think a good argument could be made about him not remembering. In such a situation, other things will likely take the attention. So he could be saying the truth that he really doesn't remember.

Of course if he were in doubt about what he said in that room he could ask the people there, the sunglasses lady and the medical staff(the ones who were actually there). Or he could just check his medical records. And if the doctor neglected to put anything in regarding previous ped use, he could perhaps sue the hospital for malpractice.:D

Though I have no doubt he is aware of the fact that he did say those things(since he would have checked that out years ago) He might honestly not remember the episode, which I find quite possible.

Armstrong actually telling the truth. What a happy theory...:rolleyes:
 
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About the hospital incident, I think a good argument could be made about him not remembering.
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he remembered.....He remembered so well that he asked Frankie about what Betsy's reaction to what he said. Frankie told him that she was angry with him and told him he better not do that stuff as well.

The good news is that while Lance's memory has gotten worse others have gotten better :)
 
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He will never admit to the Hospital incident. Too many doctors and others from the hospital are implicated in the lie. He is choosing to cover for them rather than vindicating Betsy. Simple.
 
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i reckon, he would remember asking Frankie about it. But, if it had not been qualified, i doubt he would remember that.

a thing about the arrogance of a sociopath, who the heck is comfortable with admitting all of that info when others are in the room that dont have to be there.
 
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Fortyninefourteen said:
He will never admit to the Hospital incident. Too many doctors and others from the hospital are implicated in the lie. He is choosing to cover for them rather than vindicating Betsy. Simple.
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this point too.

he is in a double bind.

but, wrt betsy, she is expendable. not really binded/bound on that side of the equation.

a double bind, sort of, til you railroad the little man.

but armstrong has learnt that who appears to be the little man, often has greater cohunes than oneself.
 
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Nike drops Livestrong.

http://www.statesman.com/ap/ap/entertainment/nike-cuts-ties-to-livestrong/nX43s/

Gulp.


"This news will prompt some to jump to negative conclusions about the foundation's future. We see things quite differently. We expected and planned for changes like this and are therefore in a good position to adjust swiftly and move forward with our patient-focused work," the foundation said.
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Foundation shoud be doing well not havig to pay for jet fuel any longer :rolleyes:
 
Boeing

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frenchfry said:
Advice to Betsy - distance yourself as much as possible from this guy and his paid thugs. Despite your good intentions, no good will come from further interactions. You are only hurting youself.

Those who have refused to respond to Armstrong's contact attempts (and I would think the list of attempts is extremely short) have shown the correct rational response.

Let his lawyers (paid thugs) do their thing to save what is left of his little empire built on ill gotten gains, and let him fade to oblivion in his calculating, sociopathic little world.
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I concur. It's time to move on. Despite her intentions there is redundancy here and at some point one might question her own sanity. At that point, all she has accomplished will be tarnished and Lance Wins.
 
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Fortyninefourteen said:
He will never admit to the Hospital incident. Too many doctors and others from the hospital are implicated in the lie. He is choosing to cover for them rather than vindicating Betsy. Simple.
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Ever heard of Physician–patient privilege? The issue is perjury, not loyalty. The only person Lance has any interest in covering is himself.
 
frenchfry

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blackcat said:
part of what USPS was buying was the intagibles from the sponsorship: a goodwill annuity of winning the Tour de France.

now they have incurred an inverted goodwill annuity, that will keep on hurting as it is in the annals and records as the biggest sports fraud in history. what is that cost to ameliorate? seems the association benefit argument, is god awful and easily turned on its head.
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"now they have incurred an inverted goodwill annuity"

I remember this from my Finance 413 class. Not a good thing to incur, generally leads to a negative ROI.
 
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frenchfry said:
Indeed this is surprising news. Can't see how Livestrong can survive, despite their reassuring PR babble.

Marketing cancer awareness just isn't what it used to be.
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Especially when Cancer Jesus was outed instead of being crucified.
 
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