Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Fortyninefourteen]

"This news will prompt some to jump to negative conclusions about the foundation's future. We see things quite differently. We expected and planned for changes like this and are therefore in a good position to adjust swiftly and move forward with our patient-focused work," the foundation said.


Google Translate: Our worst fear has come to pass thanks to the masterful dooshery of Pinocchio Armstrong.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Knowing me, knowing you
It's the best I can do

Lol @ the ABBA quote.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You know you have a problem when Nike drops you. Nike wouldn't drop Satan if it could help them sell sneakers.

 

[spalco]

USA Today have an e-mail exchange between Betsy and Lance.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2013/05/27/lance-armstrong-apology-betsy-andreu/2364519/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...rong-forgiveness-is-not-saying-sorry/2364137/

I don't know who's advising you but I can almost guarantee you there's one person who knows you, knows the situation, isn't wanting to make a dime off you but is concerned for your well being that you should be listening to: (name deleted)

Who's "(name deleted)", any idea anyone?

One of his former or current wives?

 

[blackcat]

Who's "(name deleted)", any idea anyone?

One of his former or current wives?

lemond?

definitely not either wife. they were draw to the public man who was the rich sport champ

 

[hrotha]

I assumed she meant Frankie.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Ever heard of Physician–patient privilege? The issue is perjury, not loyalty. The only person Lance has any interest in covering is himself.

Yes, I have and thank you for asking. Physician -patient privilege would entitle a doctor to refuse to answer questions, not lie in court about them.

 

[ToreBear]

he remembered.....He remembered so well that he asked Frankie about what Betsy's reaction to what he said. Frankie told him that she was angry with him and told him he better not do that stuff as well.

The good news is that while Lance's memory has gotten worse others have gotten better

That makes it a bit more difficult, since he asked, it's likely he remembered. Though he might still say that he asked someone else what he said before talking to Frankie. But that adds another layer of complexity to the theory.

Even more complex theory vs someone who lies a lot lying again. Means he is just lying again.

Oh well, one perfectly good and happy theory down the drain.

 

[blackcat]

I assumed she meant Frankie.

bingo, gotta be FA. "not one who is trying to make a dime out of u" yep.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

bingo, gotta be FA. "not one who is trying to make a dime out of u" yep.

Agree it`s Frankie.

Lies will continue for years. As will the litigation. Anyone expecting truth/contrition/humility is on a fool's mission.

 

[frenchfry]

Especially when Cancer Jesus was outed instead of being crucified.

BIG erreur in marketing strategy. Consultants lacking historical perspective at critical moments.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Agree it`s Frankie.

Lies will continue for years. As will the litigation. Anyone expecting truth/contrition/humility is on a fool's mission.

The problem is not for me to expect honesty. From the Oprah show forward, it was clear this would be entertainment for those pf us who always knew the truth.

It is a problem for the person who only knows lies, deceit and the path of destroyed lives in his blind ambition that he never discovered that he can save himself a lot of trouble if he could just learn to be honest. It Just Ain't In Him.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

You know you have a problem when Nike drops you. Nike wouldn't drop Satan if it could help them sell sneakers.

There is your post du jour nominee. Remember, it's an honor just to be nominated.

 

[thehog]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...torney-General-Eric-Holder-PERJURY-table.html

 

[Granville57]

Nike wouldn't drop Satan if it could help them sell sneakers.

 

[MacRoadie]

Nike drops Livestrong.

http://www.statesman.com/ap/ap/entertainment/nike-cuts-ties-to-livestrong/nX43s/

Gulp.

"The foundation said it reduced its budget nearly 11 percent in 2013 to $38.4 million, but said Tuesday that revenue is already 2.5 percent ahead of projections.

It's easy to exceed projections, when you're anticipating getting ******-all...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

"The foundation said it reduced its budget nearly 11 percent in 2013 to $38.4 million, but said Tuesday that revenue is already 2.5 percent ahead of projections.

It's easy to exceed projections, when you're anticipating getting ******-all...

Like my buddy in college said, "You know the secret to getting more women, Moose? Lower your standards."

 

[ChrisE]

Hi Chris.
It is all in the USADA report, including the SCA testimony. As you could not be bothered to read it, then there is little point in me linking to it.


Hi Chris,
If SCA had been aware that LA had been doping throughout his career they would not have insured or bet against him winning any races.

OK, I went back and read her SCA deposition, along with the one from the reasoned decision. What a zoo. I was able to read the whole thing in 4 beers, so I am proud of that.

She does allude more forcefully with more detail in USADA about knowledge of LA's drug use. She does admit in SCA that she stayed quiet about PED use because of FA in cycling on pg 2113. That is completely understandable. She admits she didn't take his anger at GL as an admission of drug use by LA, FA didn't want to use Ferrari because of PEDs, blah blah. On a side note it was pretty funny reading about how the Lemonds claimed she said a bunch of stuff, and she refuted it.

So, she did allude to more than the 96 hospital incident in her SCA deposition though not like in USADA. But, like I said that is understandable and I have no issue with that. My point is that she didn't go on the warpath until Walsh, and as usual it is more of my reaction to the clinic BS than the actual facts. Tendency in here is to build up LA's enemies and gloss over legitimate criticism.

Now as I stated before you can believe that were not "friends" with LA and Kristin after 99, but I don't believe that. **** hit the fan during Walsh's research.

I am not privy to the T&C's of the contract; I have also not seen that so I have no idea if you last statement is correct. If you have a link to that I would appreciate it. I've googled it and have not found it.

 

[ChrisE]

That is a totally contemptuous statement, and completely disregards the damage sociopaths do to upstanding people.

Are you suggesting that Emma O'Reilly, Mike Anderson, and the many others that Armstrong and his paid thugs trampled and attempted to destroy were asking for it?

Betsy did nothing other than stand up for the truth when she could have played the omerta and personal gain cards like so many others. She didn't go looking for trouble, it was shoved on her with a brutal force that I hope you won't ever have to experience yourself.

C'mon bud. She interjected herself into something for what? To feed Walsh some dirt? Was this all worth it? That is why she got deposed in SCA, along with her yapping about it. If she was all you claim she would have been raising hell in 1999. She didn't, and I have no criticism of that for logical reasons. Everything is not black and white, and there are other things that pull on people other than the truth.

Don't extrapolate my opinion of her situation into a blanket summary of my opinion in these other cases. I posted in the Anderson thread after his recent article in Outside I believe, that he got screwed and I was sympathetic to what he went thru.....he replied thanking me for the post. I don't ever recall posting about Emma Oreilly.....I have no reason to believe she is lying or deserves any grief.

As for your last paragraph she stood up in 2005, 9 years after the hospital room and 6 years after seeing LA with Ferrari and an implying conversation about drug use, and per USADA a conversation with Kristin in 1999 confirming LA's drug use. She did not mention the Kristin conversation in SCA.

This is what I allude to above to vortex; let's cut down on the embellishment of our heroes. It's a joke towards LA's groupies, but it goes both ways.

 

[Nick777]

His refusal to meet with Betsy sounds like paranoia.

My take:

Armstrong = bully.
Bully = coward.
Cowards don't like confronting people who stand up to them.

Armstrong chickened out.

 

[ChrisE]

bingo, gotta be FA. "not one who is trying to make a dime out of u" yep.

It's gotta be, but after the redaction she goes into all she has done for LA. Hmmm.

This is about the weirdest **** I have seen in awhile, and I roll across some weird **** in my life. Why would she release this email exchange? From the article:

The e-mails were provided by Betsy Andreu to USA TODAY Sports after a person close to Armstrong described her e-mails as alarming and said it would be OK if she released them.

Let's get together over tequila? "Darlin'"?

WTF is the point in all of this, and she really looks like the furious victim after this? Why does she give a **** about LA?

One minute she's crying on CNN the next minute she is emailing LA calling him "darlin" and wanting to drink tequila shots with him. LOL this is rich.

Hmmmm, indeed.

 

[Hugh Januss]

She didn't "raise hell" in '99 because no one asked. When she did get around to "raising hell" it was simply because she was asked, under oath, what she had heard. She only really really started "raising hell" after Lance's PR team started painting her as a deranged liar and tried to squeeze Frankie out of the bike race biz. I think her actions all along were consistent with someone who heard something that they didn't want to hear about a person that used to be a friend, and is a stand-up individual who has been taught not to lie since she was a little girl. Also she is a bit of a fighter, if you go after her she will not run away, as Lance found out.

 

[caryopsis]

Braking Bad: Chasing Lance Armstrong and the Cancer of Corruption

Heads up about an e-book on Lance and the nature of corruption, to be published on June 11 - which is, in fact, a Tuesday.

Braking Bad, by Richard Poplak

 

[ChrisE]

She didn't "raise hell" in '99 because no one asked. When she did get around to "raising hell" it was simply because she was asked, under oath, what she had heard. She only really really started "raising hell" after Lance's PR team started painting her as a deranged liar and tried to squeeze Frankie out of the bike race biz. I think her actions all along were consistent with someone who heard something that they didn't want to hear about a person that used to be a friend, and is a stand-up individual who has been taught not to lie since she was a little girl. Also she is a bit of a fighter, if you go after her she will not run away, as Lance found out.

Ah, that's right. The "nobody asked me to divulge all of these PED things in cycling under oath" card. Where have I heard BS excuses like that before?

Hey, I said I get why she didn't do it until SCA and I understand it. She admitted why in SCA. Try not to twist yourself into too much of a pretzel trying to prop up our heroine beyond reality.

HJ, let's just bury this right now over a tequila shot while looking into eachother's eyes, ok darlin'?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

C'mon bud. She interjected herself into something for what? To feed Walsh some dirt? Was this all worth it? That is why she got deposed in SCA, along with her yapping about it. If she was all you claim she would have been raising hell in 1999. She didn't, and I have no criticism of that for logical reasons. Everything is not black and white, and there are other things that pull on people other than the truth.

Don't extrapolate my opinion of her situation into a blanket summary of my opinion in these other cases. I posted in the Anderson thread after his recent article in Outside I believe, that he got screwed and I was sympathetic to what he went thru.....he replied thanking me for the post. I don't ever recall posting about Emma Oreilly.....I have no reason to believe she is lying or deserves any grief.

As for your last paragraph she stood up in 2005, 9 years after the hospital room and 6 years after seeing LA with Ferrari and an implying conversation about drug use, and per USADA a conversation with Kristin in 1999 confirming LA's drug use. She did not mention the Kristin conversation in SCA.

This is what I allude to above to vortex; let's cut down on the embellishment of our heroes. It's a joke towards LA's groupies, but it goes both ways.

I didnt embellish anything - you did, when you stated that BA still "hung around" with LA until Frankie was "sacked".

I see you're trying to downgrade it - simple fact is they were on a cordial basis, but it was unraveling because Frankie was not getting on the USPS program.