Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Athame]

Hey, I've got a question here. It's something I've been wondering ever since
I heard that LA was going to partake in a public Sacrament of Penance on Opra
Winfrey's Network: Was Confessing a smart idea?

Hindsight would say, [at this point] no. If we ASSUME that his purported
contrition is aimed at some future absolution--post DOJ signing-on to the
FL lawsuit--what is it?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Don't quite know how I made you laugh. I didn't say, I think he's
suffered enough only that others are likely to say it. Hey Slim, I've heard
people say that with my OWN ears--several times.

I highly doubt that you haven't. I know that I've even read it here, in the Clinic.
Anyway, TheHog referenced Stockholm Syndrome. As for myself, we'll just
have to see how successful the media is at convincing the general public what
a supreme tool the guy was/is.

I've been waiting for the DOJ to sign on before I conclude that he's soon to be
toe-up, reputation wise.

This is why you are considered a joke. The only entity convincing anyone about the size of tool Armstrong is would be Armstrong himself. All any media outlet has to do is quote him.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

What I've thought all along is that people are going to empathize with him
as if he were a dog getting kicked. That's the old "he's suffered enough"
position.

Hey, I've got a question here. It's something I've been wondering ever since
I heard that LA was going to partake in a public Sacrament of Penance on Opra
Winfrey's Network: Was Confessing a smart idea?

Hindsight would say, [at this point] no. If we ASSUME that his purported
contrition is aimed at some future absolution--post DOJ signing-on to the
FL lawsuit--what is it?

Your question and conclusion is why the first post didn't pan out.

I felt when he announced he was going on Oprah that it would stop the bleeding and he would get some of the 'he has suffered enough' sympathy. I feel that was Armstrongs thoughts too.

However he completely blew it on Oprah - after admitting he doped he went back to fun, flirty, charmer Lance and showed little contrition for his deceit.

 

[spalco]

I still think it was the right move as well, but I'm glad it didn't work out for him.

He was in a really tough situation with all those lies finally crumbing down. Not going on Oprah wouldn't have stopped anything either, the trick was exposed. It was worth the shot from his POV imo.

 

[SpeedWay]

you know this syndrome where you fall in love with the guy who kidnapped you because you get emotionally dependent of him? with phraudstrong's fanboys it's a bit like that, i guess.

My guess is they have a violin, a sense of humor, and enjoy watching his hater's post counts increase at exponential rates. Face it, the haters are trapped and won't get out of this historic circle jerk alive.

 

[BroDeal]

Armstrong's fraud made him $218M.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...n-record-riches-of-more-than-218-million.html

WIth total taxes of maybe 40%, divorce, and lots of high living, there is a good chance he has a lot less than the reputed $125M.

 

[86TDFWinner]

My guess is they have a violin, a sense of humor, and enjoy watching his hater's post counts increase at exponential rates. Face it, the haters are trapped and won't get out of this historic circle jerk alive.

After everything he's done, he STILL has fanboys/nut swingers, unbelieveable!. Aren't there any Liestrong forums you could be posting on?

 

[blackcat]

Armstrong's fraud made him $218M.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...n-record-riches-of-more-than-218-million.html

WIth total taxes of maybe 40%, divorce, and lots of high living, there is a good chance he has a lot less than the reputed $125M.

Its how much money he had in Lehmanns and other stocks that took a hit in 08.

But the market has recovered, but the underlying economy still sux bo!!ox.

taxes at 40%? In Swiss accounts? No ways dood

 

[blackcat]

Pete didn't just wake up and say, "I think I'll go to Vegas and try to make some money signing autographs." He's paid to be there.

Wonderboy can't stay away. C'mon Wonderboy! Dig into your suitcase of courage! It's going to be awful and waaaay more elaborate than Pete's routine. I can't wait.

have to throw out the backpack of sadness tho

 

[blackcat]

Your question and conclusion is why the first post didn't pan out.

I felt when he announced he was going on Oprah that it would stop the bleeding and he would get some of the 'he has suffered enough' sympathy. I feel that was Armstrongs thoughts too.

However he completely blew it on Oprah - after admitting he doped he went back to fun, flirty, charmer Lance and showed little contrition for his deceit.

but...


...nev....ah...


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called her phat.

perhaps corpulent, maybe fat. Not phat tho. Only piece of *** not mine.

 

[Athame]

...he completely blew it on Oprah...

I don't think he had a plan beyond appealing to the public and I don't
think it worked out at all. The bit about Luke wasn't dramatic enough
nor believable. It probably could have worked out, though. His ego
wouldn't play the game. "Not Normal"

I still think it was the right move as well, but I'm glad it didn't work out for him.

Yeah, that's my take as well. Dr. M's bit about showing "little contrition" is
right on the money. I think he was hoping to end it there with the public
and have his political connections sew it up behind the scenes.

This is why you are considered a joke.

_____________________________ Ad hominem


That's the best you've got *Hah*

 

[ChewbaccaD]

My guess is they have a violin, a sense of humor, and enjoy watching his hater's post counts increase at exponential rates. Face it, the haters are trapped and won't get out of this historic circle jerk alive.

You're just mad because you have looked like a complete fool for years. Stop taking it out on us mmmkay?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I don't think he had a plan beyond appealing to the public and I don't
think it worked out at all. The bit about Luke wasn't dramatic enough
nor believable. It probably could have worked out, though. His ego
wouldn't play the game. "Not Normal"



Yeah, that's my take as well. Dr. M's bit about showing "little contrition" is
right on the money. I think he was hoping to end it there with the public
and have his political connections sew it up behind the scenes.



_____________________________ Ad hominem


That's the best you've got *Hah*

No, you're actually considered a joke. I wasn't being pejorative.

 

[Athame]

As far as I can tell you're just bent out of shape because I owned you the other day!


______________________ get over it.

No, you're actually considered a joke. I wasn't being pejorative.

I've been reading the Mod threads and the rules, etc., so I think I'll chill out.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

As far as I can tell you're just bent out of shape because I owned you the other day!


______________________ get over it.

If that's the story you need to tell yourself, go ahead I guess. I mean, you're the Lance fanboy; you guys are searching for self-esteem like squirrel looking for a nut in 10 feet of snow. I kind of feel sorry for you really.

 

[Zweistein]

No, you're actually considered a joke. I wasn't being pejorative.

+1

Don't discourage him from posting. The world needs more humor.

 

[MarkvW]

With the feds taking Floyd's case, it's looking like Tygart is going to get much of what he wanted: a sworn deposition by Armstrong detailing all of his doping scheme and all the help he got with his scheme. Can't see Lance avoiding that, unless he's ready to shell out 40, 50, 60 million. Hard to see how Lance can keep that deposition secret, either.

Probably not quite such good news for SCA. Lance's fear of the now-inevitable deposition was one of SCA's best bargaining chips.

 

[Benotti69]

With the feds taking Floyd's case, it's looking like Tygart is going to get much of what he wanted: a sworn deposition by Armstrong detailing all of his doping scheme and all the help he got with his scheme. Can't see Lance avoiding that, unless he's ready to shell out 40, 50, 60 million. Hard to see how Lance can keep that deposition secret, either.

Probably not quite such good news for SCA. Lance's fear of the now-inevitable deposition was one of SCA's best bargaining chips.

I cannot see them not settling this. Weisel, Knaggs, Och, Bruyneel, Arsmtrong etc etc will not want this case digging into their dirty scams.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

If the Feds refuse to settle out of court then that would surely see the end of Hein?

Landis has given an affidavit to say Lance already told him about the 2001 Tour de Suisse, Tygart would be willing to say Saugy told him about, Saugy would likely be subpoenaed, then Lance would have to say it happened?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

With the feds taking Floyd's case, it's looking like Tygart is going to get much of what he wanted: a sworn deposition by Armstrong detailing all of his doping scheme and all the help he got with his scheme. Can't see Lance avoiding that, unless he's ready to shell out 40, 50, 60 million. Hard to see how Lance can keep that deposition secret, either.

Probably not quite such good news for SCA. Lance's fear of the now-inevitable deposition was one of SCA's best bargaining chips.

You keep beating the drum of "SCA has no case because of the settlement agreement"...you are going to look really incompetent right after the motion to dismiss is ruled upon. Even worse than for your bleating on about the Feds not joining the Qui Tam.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

With the feds taking Floyd's case, it's looking like Tygart is going to get much of what he wanted: a sworn deposition by Armstrong detailing all of his doping scheme and all the help he got with his scheme. Can't see Lance avoiding that, unless he's ready to shell out 40, 50, 60 million. Hard to see how Lance can keep that deposition secret, either.

Probably not quite such good news for SCA. Lance's fear of the now-inevitable deposition was one of SCA's best bargaining chips.

Hey, you didn't like my first avatar suggestion. Do you like this one better? It definitely continues to hide your anonymous intertubes personality so that Birotte won't catch the scent of your trail.

 

[MarkvW]

I cannot see them not settling this. Weisel, Knaggs, Och, Bruyneel, Arsmtrong etc etc will not want this case digging into their dirty scams.

It's the other way around. Unless Armstrong settles, the USA gets to avail themselves of the liberal discovery rules, backed by the power of the federal court. Only settlement will stop the depositions and subpoenas.

 

[D-Queued]

With the feds taking Floyd's case, it's looking like Tygart is going to get much of what he wanted: a sworn deposition by Armstrong detailing all of his doping scheme and all the help he got with his scheme. Can't see Lance avoiding that, unless he's ready to shell out 40, 50, 60 million. Hard to see how Lance can keep that deposition secret, either.

Probably not quite such good news for SCA. Lance's fear of the now-inevitable deposition was one of SCA's best bargaining chips.

Of course!

Now that everyone wants to sue him, Lance is going to lie down and admit everything.

And, by admitting everything, he won't be legally liable for any of it.

That is so cool.

I love your logic.

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

If the Feds refuse to settle out of court then that would surely see the end of Hein?

Landis has given an affidavit to say Lance already told him about the 2001 Tour de Suisse, Tygart would be willing to say Saugy told him about, Saugy would likely be subpoenaed, then Lance would have to say it happened?

IMHO, no. Not close. Ashenden's feud with the UCI ripped open the bio-passport fraud for what it is, no testing at all. That story hasn't made it out of Velonation. IMHO, it's because it reaches directly into the IOC's intentions of creating WADA in the first place. It should have been a silent cuckold like Francesca Rossi at the UCI. Instead, they got people that wanted to do the real job, not the actors they were looking for.

Controversy has hounded the Saugy/UCI cozy relationship for months now and nothing has changed.

Beyond all that, if you check the thread about the IOC, you will see they demand supranational authority in order for a country to be an IOC member. They will take exception to a national investigation. Rogge has publicly supported Hein.

As long as the narrative remains "problem athlete" and stays at that level, the IOC/UCI is happy throwing Wonderboy under the bus.

I'm tired of the banging on Markvw. Yeah, some of his arguments are weak, but just leave it there.

 

[Zweistein]

Lance's fear of the now-inevitable deposition was one of SCA's best bargaining chips.

Lance's biggest bargaining chip always been going broke. You can't collect what he doesn't have anymore. The Sunday Time nor the SCA in my opinion will ever try to collect what they honestly are "owed". If the government suit starts pushing through, these two would probably settle before the government breaks the bank.