Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Moose McKnuckles]

Instead of a splint for his wrist, Sky should give Froome a splint for his neck, so he'll stop starting at his stem and start looking at the road.

 

[Race Radio]

"If he gets up in the morning and decides that being a leader in the cancer community is what he wants to spend his life doing," says Doug Uhlman, president of Livestrong, "then the cancer community and the Livestrong Foundation would welcome him back."

And what leader does not levy taxes or tithe from his followers?

If Lance can add value to the cancer community then that is a good thing, and good things are.....um good. But his continued venom and irrational conspiracy theories only makes things harder if he wants to make a return to the public eye

Does he really expect people to believe that USADA timed the release of the reasoned decision to coincide with yet another big Livestrong party? Does anyone but the most determined troll think Travis was on a religious jihad? That Betsy went after Lance because she was trying to hide Frankie's doping?

Crazy talk does not help if you want people to think you are a reformed.

 

[Scott SoCal]

And what leader does not levy taxes or tithe from his followers?

If Lance can add value to the cancer community then that is a good thing, and good things are.....um good. But his continued venom and irrational conspiracy theories only makes things harder if he wants to make a return to the public eye

Does he really expect people to believe that USADA timed the release of the reasoned decision to coincide with yet another big Livestrong party? Does anyone but the most determined troll think Travis was on a religious jihad? That Betsy went after Lance because she was trying to hide Frankie's doping?

Crazy talk does not help if you want people to think you are a reformed.

His psychotherapy isn't going well.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

His psychotherapy isn't going well.

His psycotherapist's psychotherapist is on burnout leave.

 

[djpbaltimore]

From the esquire article.

"He got a little insufferable," Korioth says.

Lolololololol. Understatement of the century.

 

[skippythepinhead]

Sad all around.

Seeing LA's pathetic mug and puppy dog eyes is nothing compared to the sadness I feel for people who don't understand "cancer=$".

Lance Armstrong the idol needs to be smashed into pieces small enough to never be glued back together if this is the monstrosity that results.

 

[Wallace]

It may be a puff piece, but the writer still makes it clear that Armstrong spends most of his time drunk and surly. The wine may be expensive and the ice in his drinks crushed, but you still have a guy who has too many every night and is on the verge of climbing over the fence to pound on his neighbor. In puff pieces like Esquire publishes, the real story is what the writer puts in between the lines.

 

[TANK91]

Anyone watch the Armstrong lie on Ch4 last night?. I thought it was great i also think LA was targeted whey too much. No way his TDF should be stripped we have no winner for 7 years? Yeah because that is fair lol. Watching Hincapie was embarassing he is such a grass. And Andreu lol, Hincapie said Andreu was the rider who showed himto take EPO

 

[ggusta]

It may be a puff piece, but the writer still makes it clear that Armstrong spends most of his time drunk and surly. The wine may be expensive and the ice in his drinks crushed, but you still have a guy who has too many every night and is on the verge of climbing over the fence to pound on his neighbor. In puff pieces like Esquire publishes, the real story is what the writer puts in between the lines.

Agree. There wasn’t too much between the lines needed, the women call him ‘hrh’. They may have no self-esteem, scruples or self-respect, but even in my humble little hovel, you call me ‘your royal highness’ one time and it isn’t forgotten, ever. Seems to me that they treat the fact that he is a rotting carcass and the hangers on (HO’s) are parasites as an inside joke.

It doesn’t matter if it’s a prison, a rusty old singlewide serving pabst blue ribbon or a 20,000 sf borrowed mansion serving grand cru by the case, no self respecting person wants to be on either end of that relationship and I think it’s plenty visible in the portions I read that living the (ahem) ‘high life’ is a poor substitute for the world being aware of how pathetic you are. And it just keeps getting worse as time marches on for him.

 

[shades1]

Anyone watch the Armstrong lie on Ch4 last night?. I thought it was great i also think LA was targeted whey too much. No way his TDF should be stripped we have no winner for 7 years? Yeah because that is fair lol. Watching Hincapie was embarassing he is such a grass. And Andreu lol, Hincapie said Andreu was the rider who showed himto take EPO

yeh i have watched it a few times , its on the internet if you know where to look , away from the doping it was clear to see how much contador must have hated LA coming back , when he attacked when he was ordered not to was pretty disgraceful really .

 

[DirtyWorks]

It may be a puff piece, but the writer still makes it clear that Armstrong spends most of his time drunk and surly. The wine may be expensive and the ice in his drinks crushed, but you still have a guy who has too many every night and is on the verge of climbing over the fence to pound on his neighbor. In puff pieces like Esquire publishes, the real story is what the writer puts in between the lines.

Ahhh... This is the manifestation of the conflict between reality and his internal world where he is the greatest champion ever.

He's earned every bit of legal trouble he's in now and has gotten away with plenty anyway. But this kind of personal issue I only wish him well because the alternative is pretty dark and sad and there's been enough of that already. Get some professional help.

Oldman, per some long ago posts, Wonderboy comes out of the other end of this addiction thing years later "finding God" and becoming the champion of that instead of actually dealing with his problems.

 

[DirtyWorks]

And Andreu lol, Hincapie said Andreu was the rider who showed himto take EPO

Based on accumulated facts alone, this was a ridiculous claim. This claim was confirmed a lie. It was Hincapie himself who admitted Armstrong suggested he make the claim.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your world view though.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

IMHO LA has severe personality flaws that make up his character. Even before he was caught, the extent of his braggadocio, ego, hubris and just his general style of behaviour was so self-serving, vain and disrespectful of other people (read ordinary people), it was impossible to like him.

A test used by many athletes to judge the character of another athlete is to compete with that athlete in a benign sport such as for example a pick up basketball game or golf. A pick up basketball game tells one a lot about character - selfishness versus agreeableness, vanity versus humility, self versus team and so on.

My hunch is Lance is no fun to be with on any level. His material possessions have become his shallow, self consoling and the empty icons of a man without a soul, genuine compassion or empathy.

 

[ggusta]

Don't let the facts get in the way of your world view though.[/QUOTE]

And for heaven's sake, don't let any of us get in your way of sharing that world view here!

 

[HappyCycling]

IMHO LA has severe personality flaws that make up his character. Even before he was caught, the extent of his braggadocio, ego, hubris and just his general style of behaviour was so self-serving, vain and disrespectful of other people (read ordinary people), it was impossible to like him.

A test used by many athletes to judge the character of another athlete is to compete with that athlete in a benign sport such as for example a pick up basketball game or golf. A pick up basketball game tells one a lot about character - selfishness versus agreeableness, vanity versus humility, self versus team and so on.

My hunch is Lance is no fun to be with on any level. His material possessions have become his shallow, self consoling and the empty icons of a man without a soul, genuine compassion or empathy.

Yes and no, he's obviously very flawed, likely down to his upbringing and the values drilled into him when he was young ('not a quitter' 'win at all costs' 'to lose means death' etc..) but to say his entire existence is self serving would be an outlandish observation. He's a man who has, by his own hand created a complete web of conflicted interests, and even now... in life after admission cannot free himself from various vested parties he has created. I am certainly not defending him, but I doubt he's completely void of any altruistic qualities. He's an massive ****, but there must be some redeemable facets of his personality. Or maybe not.. that would only come with first person interaction with Lance.. Betsy and Emma have both said he wasn't a complete jackass once upon a time.. obviously something changed in him once he got cancer.. and by the time he stopped to realise what he'd done he was far too far gone to back track.

 

[Benotti69]

Emma O'Reilly on newstalk.ie now

http://newstalk.ie/player/tv

will be podcasted later

Edit; just finished.

But will be podcasted. Programme is called 'Off the ball'.

 

[Benotti69]

Ger Gilroy just pointed out to Emma that if she gives Armstrong the thumbs up it will have an effect on others.......so true. She is being played by Armstrong and she cant see it.

 

[Cycle Chic]

The Armstrong Lie is repeated on 4seven at 9pm

 

[Bosco10]

Ger Gilroy just pointed out to Emma that if she gives Armstrong the thumbs up it will have an effect on others.......so true. She is being played by Armstrong and she cant see it.

Well, the snake wrote the forward to her book. Something is up right there.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Ger Gilroy just pointed out to Emma that if she gives Armstrong the thumbs up it will have an effect on others.......so true. She is being played by Armstrong and she cant see it.

Cash will always be king to the majority of people.

 

[Benotti69]

Cash will always be king to the majority of people.

Does Emma need the money?

Has Armstrong done a deal?

The book wont make Emma much money, publishers and distributors take the biggest %

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Does Emma need the money?

Has Armstrong done a deal?

The book wont make Emma much money, publishers and distributors take the biggest %

One of Armstrong's biggest critics suddenly changes her mind and write a book.
Small change in the broader scheme of things I think.

 

[Granville57]

The Armstrong Lie is repeated on 4seven at 9pm

Oh, I suspect that it will be repeated many, many more times after that as well.

 

[Benotti69]

One of Armstrong's biggest critics suddenly changes her mind and write a book.
Small change in the broader scheme of things I think.

All Armstrong needs is a few other big critics to change their minds and he can build on it.

The meeting with Bassons didn't produce the result he wanted.

But it seems Emma has been convinced, but then she was on his side for a long time as she worked in the sport.

 

[buckle]

Oh, I suspect that it will be repeated many, many more times after that as well.

The film is confusing and the only good bit is when Contador disobeys orders. The stated implication being that he distrusted everyone at Astana. Summed it all up for me. The BBC doc was better where Walsh is excellent. This is organised crime on an industrial scale and to reduce it to some sort of narrative about LA's possible redemption is simply to compound the scam.