Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[mewmewmew13]

I was thinking that myself when I read it initially. I heard Betsy and Walsh together on the radio over here well after Lance's fall and they were getting on great.

Weird that she put it in the book.

Who filled her head with this info?

The line at the end of the book:

I would remember that each book written has the bias of the person narrating their story. That doesn't mean everything in it is true...or an accurate depiction

 

[go crazy]

It was a brilliant portrayal of the whole story. Even knowing all the details beforehand, it's still staggering looking back to see what unfolded over the years with it. I don't think we'll see a fraud like it ever again in the future and it goes for all sports.

Betsy was excellent and I just finished Emma's book and she said Walsh has fallen out with some of his sources which helped him, including Betsy. Surprised to hear this.

I don't know about that...you've got people who have been knighted that may fall on the sword in the future. Though that's still tough to beat defrauding the US Government and kids with cancer.

 

[buckle]

I guess it's a variation on the banking fraud from the same era. Nobody has been prosecuted or sent to jail. People suffer from the Stockholm syndrome and actually empathise with the fraudsters - a bit like watching "The Godfather" . This scam is way beyond cycling and sports but given the elimination of moral theology from our society, we no longer possess a framework of values with which to deal with this or the other issues that it raises.

 

[TexPat]

I guess it's a variation on the banking fraud from the same era. Nobody has been prosecuted or sent to jail. People suffer from the Stockholm syndrome and actually empathise with the fraudsters - a bit like watching "The Godfather" . This scam is way beyond cycling and sports but given the elimination of moral theology from our society, we no longer possess a framework of values with which to deal with this or the other issues that it raises.

Plus eleventeen billion percent.

Sorry, but I find it hard to express my agreement in any way other than in a preposterous way. So often I find myself saying, "Duh!" to the deaf ears of humanity.

 

[Berzin]

It was a brilliant portrayal of the whole story. Even knowing all the details beforehand, it's still staggering looking back to see what unfolded over the years with it.

I don't think we'll see a fraud like it ever again in the future and it goes for all sports.

That's what I thought. Little did many of us know (some only suspected but had no hard core proof) that the seeds for the next big doping scandal was being set up less than two months after Festina scandal at that years' Vuelta a España in 1998.

As for not thinking we'll ever see another fraud like Armstrong, check out the new revelations about Alex Rodriguez. The details seems to be absolutely outrageous on a level I never thought a major sports organization would stoop to without making an attempt to cover itself.

How he got a TUE for testosterone at his age is unfathomable.

 

[Hawkwood]

A really well made documentary, even now I have to watch and shake my head as to how it all unfolded over the years.

I notice Channel 4 are doing an Armstrong documentary to, it's on tomorrow at 9pm.

I recorded it, started to watch it at mid-night and couldn't turn it off, a really good documentary. I'll have to record the C4 one.

 

[Tinman]

Re documentary: The thing that struck me was Lance's comment - in 2009 - something along the lines (cannot recall the exact quote) that he would have been into doping for "17, 18 or 19 years"...

That confirms he would started his doping around 1990 as a junior with Eddy B, and most likely to have been causative of his cancer.

Had not seen/heard this comment by Lance himself of this timing before.

 

[jam pants]

Re documentary: The thing that struck me was Lance's comment - in 2009 - something along the lines (cannot recall the exact quote) that he would have been into doping for "17, 18 or 19 years"...

That confirms he would started his doping around 1990 as a junior with Eddy B, and most likely to have been causative of his cancer.

Had not seen/heard this comment by Lance himself of this timing before.

I'm all for tearing Armstrong down, but let's not do the same to science, OK?

 

[ggusta]

I'm all for tearing Armstrong down, but let's not do the same to science, OK?

I only take issue with 'most likely'. There has been a lot of discussion of whether or not he caused his own cancer via doping and it will most likely always remain speculation. Saying most likely is unfair, imo. The rest is not. And from what I recall there is a reasonable amount of science to support the argument. Sorry, wish I had all of the relevant links for you at my fingertips but they are there if you want to dig.

 

[shades1]

"the armstrong lie" documentary airs tonight !!

channel 4 9pm , 2 hours +

highly recommend watching if you have not seen it online .

if mod feels this should be moved to official armstrong thread please go ahead , i have only made own thread as people may miss it otherwise .

 

[ultimobici]

A little aside about Trek

I find it funny that Trek, having severed ties with Armstrong, still uses anagrams of Madone for its new models.

Surely they'd want to start afresh?

 

[Herbstrong]

http://www.esquire.com/features/lance-armstrong-interview-0814?spr_id=1456_69794940&src=spr_TWITTER

 

[ggusta]

http://www.esquire.com/features/lance-armstrong-interview-0814?spr_id=1456_69794940&src=spr_TWITTER

I don't think I will be able to get through this 'poor me' rubbish, seems our little friend really has quite a very long way to go still to reap what he has sown....

but this delicious little gem of poetry caught my eye early on in the article......

'Later, he says, he'll dig out a really beautiful piece made completely out of cockroach wings.'

William Shake A Spear is saying somewhere, if only fiction was this easy.

 

[MarkvW]

http://www.esquire.com/features/lance-armstrong-interview-0814?spr_id=1456_69794940&src=spr_TWITTER

I guess that's the piece you have to write when Lance grants access. Yuck.

 

[Herbstrong]

I guess that's the piece you have to write when Lance grants access. Yuck.

not if you're Julliet Macur

 

[shades1]

I recorded it, started to watch it at mid-night and couldn't turn it off, a really good documentary. I'll have to record the C4 one.

if you enjoyed the one from last night you will absolutelly love the alex gibney doc/film , lots of stuff you would not have seen before . i have watched it about 4 times lol , there is something about LAs story i find captivating .

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Ssdd............

 

[elizab]

Betsy was excellent and I just finished Emma's book and she said Walsh has fallen out with some of his sources which helped him, including Betsy. Surprised to hear this.

This was a surprise to me when I found out yesterday she wrote this. I have never ever had a falling out with the Troll at all. EVER. Have I complained about his lack of returning phone calls and emails? Absolutely. Have I disagreed with him on some of his most recent stances he has taken? Absolutely and I tell him just as much.

There was no fact checking done whatsoever as far as we were concerned, hence, I didn't even know she was writing a book.

I love David Walsh even though his thinking is not as brilliant as mine. But what do you expect? He's a Troll

 

[Alpe73]

and most likely to have been causative of his cancer.

A wild left misses over the top!

Don't start with the albino deer meat, doc.

 

[ggusta]

http://www.esquire.com/features/lance-armstrong-interview-0814?spr_id=1456_69794940&src=spr_TWITTER

good god% ...8000 words +/- ?? rambling... i barely read 1/4 of it, who the heck is their audience (SUPPOSED TO BE) anyhow? Guys who read playboy for the articles?

Trying to get an angle on their target market from the other articles links'.... Anything associated with a dead tree has been in free fall for years. The publisher of esquire is a case in point.

 

[BroDeal]

http://www.esquire.com/features/lance-armstrong-interview-0814?spr_id=1456_69794940&src=spr_TWITTER

Good portrait.

I am sure the chief intern at Andreu Strategies will be along to tell us how outraged we should be over sh!t that happened fifteen and twenty years ago. Butcher those scapegoats, baby.

 

[Merckx index]

Good portrait.

Like this?

He would also like people to know he really was clean when he came out of retirement for the 2009 Tour de France. He cleaned up along with everyone else once the nearly foolproof doping-detection method known as the "biological passport" came in, which was why the whole antidoping inquisition was pointless.

Or this?

The people who pushed hardest to bring Armstrong down had ugly motives of their own: Floyd Landis was angry because Armstrong wouldn't hire him as team manager after his own doping scandal. Tiger Williams wanted revenge because Armstrong wouldn't let him use the Livestrong logo on his company's shoe liners. Betsy Andreu wanted to blame someone else for her husband's own doping.

Or this?

Travis Tygart, the head of the USADA and the man most directly responsible for bringing him down, openly despised Armstrong for his lack of faith. "If I personally was on the brink of death and went through a terrible situation and came out of that as an atheist," he sniffed to one reporter, "I'd have no moral constraints."

But it sounds as though LA will never have to worry about some kind of support:

This conversation takes place in a spare mansion loaned by one of his many millionaire friends, an absurdly lavish place with six garages

Nine masters of the universe in biking togs bustle around a large Mediterranean kitchen, waiting impatiently for the rain to stop. Most of them started in sports and ended up on Wall Street and have paid Lance Armstrong an undisclosed sum to be Lance Armstrong for a few days.

 

[ggusta]

Like this?



Or this?



Or this?



But it sounds as though LA will never have to worry about some kind of support:

I can't really blame anyone for not having gotten to the end of this tour de farce yet. The old man and the sea was triple the length, I read it in 2 hours and I haven't been the same since.

I figured there was a 'money shot' lurking there ... sort of like that last pictorial at the back of hustler that you really didn't need to see.

We're the sharks, for those of you still celebrating July 4th, I still am not sure who the real villains are, or if the author has either.

".... This excites the sharks even more. They've made history! Come to think of it, .... And doesn't everyone want to crowd into the shot? Don't we all want to be able to say, even if it's just a joke to our friends, I hurt Lance Armstrong, I made him bleed?That's some big game right there. And just look how docile he is, how quiet he's gotten, how willingly he poses, the hint of blood sacrifice having become the meaning of this little ritual, the essence of this whole mean-spirited era when so many real villains have gone unpunished, with Lance Armstrong as everybody's trophy.
Then, at last, Armstrong holds up his hand to show that the bleeding has stopped. "I think," he says, "that I just finally ran out of blood."

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.esquire.com/features/lance-armstrong-interview-0814?spr_id=1456_69794940&src=spr_TWITTER

Purgatory has a killer wine cellar

 

[Benotti69]

Purgatory has a killer wine cellar

Wonder when that will be flogged off to pay the bills......