Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Race Radio]

As usual he is making things up.

Instead of succumbing to your obsession I suggest you read what I wrote.

As I have show many times damages in cases like this are based on what USPS Would have paid if the knew the team was doping. It has nothing to do with if they benefited or not. Nothing

It is Lance's position that USPS knew they were doping, that it was obvious, everyone was doing it. If he can show this was the case, that USPS paid knowing the team was doping, then he is in the clear.

Most of us know that back in 2000 the majority of Americans had no idea of doping in the sport. They were clueless. Armstrong's tactic over the last year has change the public perception. It now benefits him for the possible jury pool to think that everyone was doing it and it was obvious to everyone......the exact opposite of the myth he sold for a decade

 

[MarkvW]

If the statute of limitation issue does get to the jury, then the government will be able to demonstrate the scope of the cover-up and its effectiveness. It could call Sally Jenkins! She could testify that she was as close to Lance as anyone and she had "no idea" he was doping! They could call Hein Verbruggen! He's on the record swearing that Lance was clean!

This stuff is such fun!

 

[thehog]

If the statute of limitation issue does get to the jury, then the government will be able to demonstrate the scope of the cover-up and its effectiveness. It could call Sally Jenkins! She could testify that she was as close to Lance as anyone and she had "no idea" he was doping! They could call Hein Verbruggen! He's on the record swearing that Lance was clean!

This stuff is such fun!

They might get the Crowconspirator on the stand as well! Find out why she didn't stop the peloton from doping in 2005. Her 1h:24m up d'Huex could be in jeopardy.

 

[ebandit]

think

As usual he is making sh!t up. I would like to see the studies that give the number of people who think to themselves, "I need to ship a package and was going to use USPS but fifteen, twenty years ago it sponsored a few athletes who used drugs,

do you also think a postal service sponsoring a successful cycling team would have no impact on boosting business?

or are you just trolling...........making stuff up

Mark L

 

[Race Radio]

If the statute of limitation issue does get to the jury, then the government will be able to demonstrate the scope of the cover-up and its effectiveness. It could call Sally Jenkins! She could testify that she was as close to Lance as anyone and she had "no idea" he was doping! They could call Hein Verbruggen! He's on the record swearing that Lance was clean!

This stuff is such fun!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/228466340/Gov-Witness-List

Verbuggen is on there, as is Crow. Jenkins would just do whatever lance tells her to do.

The "Of course they knew" strategy is also key for the SOL. If he can show they knew before Landis then the SOL is back in play

 

[MarkvW]

As usual he is making sh!t up. I would like to see the studies that give the number of people who think to themselves, "I need to ship a package and was going to use USPS but fifteen, twenty years ago it sponsored a few athletes who used drugs, so I'll use UPS instead." This is like news splashed all over the front page about some poor schmuck accused of child molestation but two years later he is found innocent and the short notice is printed on page ten. By that time the truth is known, the damage has been done. The Postal case is this in reverse. The rewards have already reaped and news about what happened more than fifteen years ago will have negligible effect.

If Festina and Phonak are anything to go by then these things increase business. In fact USPS might want to consider incorporating it into their ads. "Whether rain or snow or competition that is all using dope, USPS will do whatever it takes to get your package there first."

Seems to me that the whole issue is a Herman-inspired red herring. USPS bargained for a clean cyclist and it got a dirty cyclist. I don't think Lance gets to argue that he provided value as a dirty cyclist because USPS didn't bargain for a dirty cyclist.

If I bargain with you for a race horse and you deliver me a donkey, you're not going to be able to argue that I received value from the donkey (even if it was a super-donkey jacked up on EPO). IIRC, the prior judge frowned on that argument.

 

[MonkeyFace]

I divorce the two, the cyclist from the human, and I see no reason why he should be penalized any more or less then floyd, schleck, contador etc

Show me that Floyd, Schleck, or Contador bribed UCI officials, intimidated witnesses, bribed UCI officials, proactively destroyed the careers of anyone that spoke out against doping, upheld the Omerta and tried to get politicians to dismantle the agency investigating him. He was offered a very lenient deal like all the others had he fully cooperated. A deal that would allowed him keep his TDF wins and by now would have been done serving his ban. He was offered a slap on the wrist like the other because USADA wasn't interested in Lance Armstrong, the insurance companies he defrauded like the SCA were, but much more into cleaning out everything that facilitates the doping culture in cycling (UCI, doping doctors, managers, drug companies, ect ect ect). If you feel someone involved as Lance in doping and fraudulently stealing the livelihoods from clean athletes, who shows no repentance or desire to clean up the sport to make it easier for athletes to not feel the pressure to use dope, doesn't deserve a lifetime ban, who the hell does?

 

[Race Radio]

I divorce the two, the cyclist from the human, and I see no reason why he should be penalized any more or less then floyd, schleck, contador etc

Floyd had to give back all the money he raised for his fund, plus a penalty. Looks like lance is going to get equal treatment

 

[Benotti69]

As usual he is making sh!t up. I would like to see the studies that give the number of people who think to themselves, "I need to ship a package and was going to use USPS but fifteen, twenty years ago it sponsored a few athletes who used drugs, so I'll use UPS instead." This is like news splashed all over the front page about some poor schmuck accused of child molestation but two years later he is found innocent and the short notice is printed on page ten. By that time the truth is known, the damage has been done. The Postal case is this in reverse. The rewards have already reaped and news about what happened more than fifteen years ago will have negligible effect.

If Festina and Phonak are anything to go by then these things increase business. In fact USPS might want to consider incorporating it into their ads. "Whether rain or snow or competition that is all using dope, USPS will do whatever it takes to get your package there first."

I couldn't give a fig whether USPS suffer now due to being linked with Armstrong. I just want to see the P-Rick impoverished. Best way of hurting rich people is to make them poor and if Armstrong is not forced to payback all his cheating money then let the US Gov take it. Some of it may be used to do good, probably not......

 

[ChewbaccaD]

As usual he is making sh!t up. I would like to see the studies that give the number of people who think to themselves, "I need to ship a package and was going to use USPS but fifteen, twenty years ago it sponsored a few athletes who used drugs, so I'll use UPS instead." This is like news splashed all over the front page about some poor schmuck accused of child molestation but two years later he is found innocent and the short notice is printed on page ten. By that time the truth is known, the damage has been done. The Postal case is this in reverse. The rewards have already reaped and news about what happened more than fifteen years ago will have negligible effect.

If Festina and Phonak are anything to go by then these things increase business. In fact USPS might want to consider incorporating it into their ads. "Whether rain or snow or competition that is all using dope, USPS will do whatever it takes to get your package there first."

You keep doubling down on being wrong.

The fact that they may or may not have benefited MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, but you can keep being wrong all day long if you like.

BTW, that means you are the one making things up.

 

[frenchfry]

I couldn't give a fig whether USPS suffer now due to being linked with Armstrong. I just want to see the P-Rick impoverished. Best way of hurting rich people is to make them poor and if Armstrong is not forced to payback all his cheating money then let the US Gov take it. Some of it may be used to do good, probably not......

He should be made to give his millions to cancer research. (not Livestrong)

 

[Oldman]

He should be made to give his millions to cancer research. (not Livestrong)

+1. That act could actually represent a redemption of sorts. Strange it never occurred to him.

 

[Benotti69]

+1. That act could actually represent a redemption of sorts. Strange it never occurred to him.

Would never occur to Armstrong in a million years. Guy believes he won fair and square.......

 

[DirtyWorks]

Would never occur to Armstrong in a million years. Guy believes he won fair and square.......

He has to. It's the foundation of his kind of crazy.

 

[BikeCentric]

http://m.independent.ie/sport/other...-like-a-sport-going-into-denial-30443701.html

 

[Oldman]

http://m.independent.ie/sport/other...-like-a-sport-going-into-denial-30443701.html

Glad to see some of the press remaining vigilant. Appreciate the Roche question because it's legitimate. Also, very disingenuous for Stephen Roche to compare Anquetil's era to Armstrong. Neither he nor Armstrong remotely have credentials to make that comparison, let alone imply some sort of absolution.

 

[Bosco10]

Just an FYI: The Secret Race and Wheelmen are now in paperback.. And.. they both have an "Afterword" chapter added for your reading enjoyment. So, more interesting 'Lance Stuff' that I read while standing in the bookstore aisle lol.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Glad to see some of the press remaining vigilant. Appreciate the Roche question because it's legitimate. Also, very disingenuous for Stephen Roche to compare Anquetil's era to Armstrong. Neither he nor Armstrong remotely have credentials to make that comparison, let alone imply some sort of absolution.

Totally agree on Roche, why didn't he bring up Miggy, or Merckx, Hinault, LeMond, Coppi? Roche's TDF win was/is questionable too as well IIRC?

Not like their word or suggestions will change, Wonderboy's not getting his 7 wins back, no matter how much he whines.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Just an FYI: The Secret Race and Wheelmen are now in paperback.. And.. they both have an "Afterword" chapter added for your reading enjoyment. So, more interesting 'Lance Stuff' that I read while standing in the bookstore aisle lol.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Energy Starr]

Stolen money? really? you think they stole it? My take. USPS gave the USPS cycling team a lot of money to advertise that they are a better choice to send packages to the USA. USPS cycling team delivered a great return on advertising dollars such that USPS got a 3 for 1 return on their advertising dollars. What damages to the us treasury? is that what you are referring?

Just referring to Lance knowing full well when he he signed the contract that he wasn't going to abide by it's terms and never had any intention to do so. He conned them into signing. So he stole it.

 

[Archibald]

Totally agree on Roche, why didn't he bring up Miggy, or Merckx, Hinault, LeMond, Coppi? Roche's TDF win was/is questionable too as well IIRC?

Not like their word or suggestions will change, Wonderboy's not getting his 7 wins back, no matter how much he whines.

you'd think a quiet word in his ear might have served him well... 'pipe down or should we take a look into your result..."


As for the article, had to laugh - Hincapie Custom Clothing ad in the middle of it!! Along with 'Taking Statin Drugs' ad... funny stuff from Google.ads

 

[buckle]

Vincent Bassons

On British TV hawking his book (fair enough) and the whole piece was shot through with incoherence including a cryptic comment by Chris Boardman about the dangers of "trial by media". None of it made any sense and there was snide dig at Astana but at least Vino hit back with a snide comment about SKY and the MPCC. Fascinating stuff though. No mention or apology from ITV of their role in the Armstrong legend creation.

 

[WinterRider]

Lance the american hero

The redemption tour continues....

http://www.sturgismotorcyclerally.com/news/read-more-news/lance-armstrong-grand-marshall-mayors-ride

The City of Sturgis chose Lance as our Grand Marshall because he represents the American spirit. Lance represents the business owners who have lost it all and are fighting to make a comeback. Lance represents the single mother who works 16 hours a day and has to keep pushing when she has nothing left to give. Lance represents the cancer patient that wants to beat the diagnosis. We understand the controversy that surrounds Lance, but we are willing to meet it head on. The City of Sturgis is about second chances.

 

[jam pants]

The redemption tour continues....

http://www.sturgismotorcyclerally.com/news/read-more-news/lance-armstrong-grand-marshall-mayors-ride

The City of Sturgis chose Lance as our Grand Marshall because he represents the American spirit. Lance represents the business owners who have lost it all and are fighting to make a comeback. Lance represents the single mother who works 16 hours a day and has to keep pushing when she has nothing left to give. Lance represents the cancer patient that wants to beat the diagnosis. We understand the controversy that surrounds Lance, but we are willing to meet it head on. The City of Sturgis is about second chances.

This is getting gross.

 

[keeponrollin]

Totally agree on Roche, why didn't he bring up Miggy, or Merckx, Hinault, LeMond, Coppi? Roche's TDF win was/is questionable too as well IIRC?

Not like their word or suggestions will change, Wonderboy's not getting his 7 wins back, no matter how much he whines.

Presumably because he didn't want his ar$e sued into oblivion !

All of the people you named are still making money out of cycling & having their 'brand' tarnished wouldn't go down well with them

Roche is following great tradition of blaming the dead guy, cause he can't sue.