Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[buckle]

Armstrong is not being persecuted! He was asked to assist the investigation, he chose not to, he got his ban and there it ended.

The court cases again are of his own making. His choice too as part of his choice to dope.

Dont see Indurain being repeatedly dragged through courts, nor Merckx, nor Hinault. Wonder why...........

Armstrong is in a situation of his own making. That people think he is being persecuted really dont fully understand or a willfully trolling.

Fair enough. I would describe Armstrong as a distraction from the main event of corruption in sports.

 

[Benotti69]

Fair enough. I would describe Armstrong as a distraction from the main event of corruption in sports.

Yes, it is convenient for the likes of Weisel, Hein and Pat that Armstrong is still the focus, it even benefits Cooskon.

 

[frenchfry]

You are right, same with criminals, to put them in jail doesn't stop others to commit crimes too. We should let them go too.

This is what some accuse the French justice minister of proposing in a new law.

 

[poupou]

This is what some accuse the French justice minister of proposing in a new law.

I should have use to not punish people who break laws or driving rules, ... and so.

The point of the proposal of our justice minister is that to put people in jail doesn't improve our security because they learn in jail to become bigger criminals. So better to give them other punishments.

 

[blackcat]

I should have use to not punish people who break laws or driving rules, ... and so.

The point of the proposal of our justice minister is that to put people in jail doesn't improve our security because they learn in jail to become bigger criminals. So better to give them other punishments.

MBA for criminals

 

[Benotti69]

MBA for criminals

Brilliant..

 

[BikeCentric]

Wishful thinking on my part ...

I don't see how bankrupting a selfish man like Armstrong will clean up sport? Au contraire, it simply warns cheats not to be overly demanding and amounts to a sort of financial equivalent of the biological passport: cheat, get well paid for it but don't cheat too much or demand too much money.

In short, I would like to litigation against the enablers rather than the boring doers.

I don't think the Government cares about cycling at all. They get hammered by Congress constantly about wasteful spending and if there is a big public case where someone has admittedly committed a giant fraud against them, they simply aren't going to let it slide.

 

[Hemassist]

Wishful thinking on my part ...

I don't see how bankrupting a selfish man like Armstrong will clean up sport? Au contraire, it simply warns cheats not to be overly demanding and amounts to a sort of financial equivalent of the biological passport: cheat, get well paid for it but don't cheat too much or demand too much money.

In short, I would like to litigation against the enablers rather than the boring doers.

I don't see how letting LA hang on to ill-gotten wealth helps either. I say bring them all down. LA is already down slightly, mostly in terms of reputation, but he hasn't had to suffer yet.

 

[Bosco10]

I don't see how letting LA hang on to ill-gotten wealth helps either. I say bring them all down. LA is already down slightly, mostly in terms of reputation, but he hasn't had to suffer yet.

Well, I wouldn't say he's "slightly" down in terms of reputation! As far as the vast general public is concerned, he's yesterday's news.
The basic perception: "Lance Armstrong? Oh, that's the bully bicycle racer who cheated and lied and finally got caught.. but he's only sorry he got caught."

 

[Energy Starr]

I take your point but does the analogy fit? Many people received kickbacks from this scam so how does going after Armstrong solve the corruption which underpinned the fraud in the first place? Rasmussen exposed the absurdity of the police raids on Festina in ’98 when he claimed that the other teams were all doping in the adjacent rooms as Festina team members were being frogmarched to the local jail. Froome is proof that the persecution of Armstrong is not working.

These lawsuits aren't intended to help cycling or "work" anything. They are to recoup stolen money. That is why they are being pressed. SCA, USA govt, et al don't care about cycling or saving cycling or cleaning up cycling or making it fair. They care about getting their stolen money back.

 

[Oldman]

Well, I wouldn't say he's "slightly" down in terms of reputation! As far as the vast general public is concerned, he's yesterday's news.
The basic perception: "Lance Armstrong? Oh, that's the bully bicycle racer who cheated and lied and finally got caught.. but he's only sorry he got caught."

I asked a 50+ year old bartender to change to Tour coverage while I ate lunch yesterday.
He turned it to the race and asked: "is it true that Livestrong is considering letting Lance Armstrong be associated with the charity again?" He had no idea if I was a fan, knowledgeable or interested in cancer charities. The tone was definitely of disbelief.
Yes, Lance is only news if he continues to create it. Not good for him. Period, for those who still cling to "Hope...again".

 

[Master50]

These lawsuits aren't intended to help cycling or "work" anything. They are to recoup stolen money. That is why they are being pressed. SCA, USA govt, et al don't care about cycling or saving cycling or cleaning up cycling or making it fair. They care about getting their stolen money back.

Stolen money? really? you think they stole it? My take. USPS gave the USPS cycling team a lot of money to advertise that they are a better choice to send packages to the USA. USPS cycling team delivered a great return on advertising dollars such that USPS got a 3 for 1 return on their advertising dollars. What damages to the us treasury? is that what you are referring?

 

[Race Radio]

Stolen money? really? you think they stole it? My take. USPS gave the USPS cycling team a lot of money to advertise that they are a better choice to send packages to the USA. USPS cycling team delivered a great return on advertising dollars such that USPS got a 3 for 1 return on their advertising dollars. What damages to the us treasury? is that what you are referring?

How much would USPS have paid if they knew their brand would forever be associated with Fraud and blood bags?

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Fair enough. I would describe Armstrong as a distraction from the main event of corruption in sports.

Which is like saying Pablo Escobar was a distraction from the main event of narcotics smuggling. True or not, it does absolutely BUPKIS to mitigate the seriousness of HIS CRIMES.

 

[Alpe73]

their brand would forever be associated with Fraud and blood bags?

(What metrics are being used) and what do those metrics currently say ... about individuals and businesses walking past USPS depots, parcel in arms, giving dee cut eye ... while visions of blood bags dance in their heads?

 

[BroDeal]

(What metrics are being used) and what do those metrics currently say ... about individuals and businesses walking past USPS depots, parcel in arms, giving dee cut eye ... while visions of blood bags dance in their heads?

As usual he is making things up. I would like to see the studies that give the number of people who think to themselves, "I need to ship a package and was going to use USPS but fifteen, twenty years ago it sponsored a few athletes who used drugs, so I'll use UPS instead." This is like news splashed all over the front page about some poor schmuck accused of child molestation but two years later he is found innocent and the short notice is printed on page ten. By that time the truth is known, the damage has been done. The Postal case is this in reverse. The rewards have already reaped and news about what happened more than fifteen years ago will have negligible effect.

If Festina and Phonak are anything to go by then these things increase business. In fact USPS might want to consider incorporating it into their ads. "Whether rain or snow or competition that is all using dope, USPS will do whatever it takes to get your package there first."

 

[mewmewmew13]

I don't trust any of them to ship my packages..

FedEx Charged With Shipping Drugs For Illegal Online Pharmacies

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...-shipping-drugs-for-illegal-online-pharmacies

 

[Alpe73]

Which is like saying Pablo Escobar was a distraction from the main event of narcotics smuggling. True or not, it does absolutely BUPKIS to mitigate the seriousness of HIS CRIMES.

I like where you're going with that. Andrés' death is on Lance, right?

 

[DirtyWorks]

I asked a 50+ year old bartender to change to Tour coverage while I ate lunch yesterday.
He turned it to the race and asked: "is it true that Livestrong is considering letting Lance Armstrong be associated with the charity again?" He had no idea if I was a fan, knowledgeable or interested in cancer charities. The tone was definitely of disbelief.
Yes, Lance is only news if he continues to create it. Not good for him. Period, for those who still cling to "Hope...again".

My experience with ordinary people too.

An important "thought leader" will be Thomas Bach, the guy running the IOC. "lifetime ban. End of discussion." from Mr. Bach. http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_...n-not-reviewed-ioc-president-thomas-bach-says

The cycling federation loves Wonderboy judging by the comments made by the jokers at the CIRC, or whatever that commission is called. It's like the federation wants to be known as the most doped and corrupt IOC sport. WTF goes on inside the federation that Wonderboy is seen as some kind of marketable entity? Maybe they put something in the water/air inside the building? Is it a cult? I just don't get it.

 

[Alpe73]

I just don't get it.

If one of your core fears is that Lance will be left with 'some' money, 'some' freedom, 'some' integrity, 'some' respect and 'some' friends after this is all said and done, then I can understand why you (and your cohorts) would feel this way.

 

[DirtyWorks]

If one of your core fears is that Lance will be left with 'some' money, 'some' freedom, 'some' integrity, 'some' respect and 'some' friends after this is all said and done, then I can understand why you (and your cohorts) would feel this way.

My not understanding isn't about Wonderboy. It's about the UCI and they clearly are committed bringing Wonderboy back. (Thom/Makarov/Plant???)

Wonderboy has lost the public opinion war. Richard Nixon had fans after the Watergate Scandal, so there's no accounting for taste.

 

[MarkvW]

If one of your core fears is that Lance will be left with 'some' money, 'some' freedom, 'some' integrity, 'some' respect and 'some' friends after this is all said and done, then I can understand why you (and your cohorts) would feel this way.

You should read some of the posts from back when Armstrong was a subject of an ongoing criminal investigation. The current ones are rather tame in comparison.

I'd just like to see Armstrong go bankrupt. That would be fun to watch.

 

[PosterBill]

Armstrongs public perception will be forever tainted because of cancer...people can forgive anything but when you place urself in a position of great moral responsibilty and fail...like a preacher having an affair..then your dead.

I divorce the two, the cyclist from the human, and I see no reason why he should be penalized any more or less then floyd, schleck, contador etc

 

[MarkvW]

Armstrongs public perception will be forever tainted because of cancer...people can forgive anything but when you place urself in a position of great moral responsibilty and fail...like a preacher having an affair..then your dead.

I divorce the two, the cyclist from the human, and I see no reason why he should be penalized any more or less then floyd, schleck, contador etc

His role as a doping leader and organizer set him a notch above Floyd, Schleck, and Contador. He might have gotten an eight year ban, but for his petulant refusal to participate in the USADA arbitration.

 

[poupou]

His role as a doping leader and organizer set him a notch above Floyd, Schleck, and Contador. He might have gotten an eight year ban, but for his petulant refusal to participate in the USADA arbitration.

+1
And he is more than a doping ringleader, he set up a "fraud", lying to million of people, and harrassing others, he has gotten fired of their job,... . he is closer of mafia behaviour than dopers