Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Catwhoorg]

High readings of Brandy and Lemsip?

horse steroids


Which is fine I guess as she isn't competing

 

[MarkvW]

That is not the MO of a psycho/sociopath.

While he may not have a conscience, and doesn't care in that regard, he cares about Lance, including his money.

Dave.

It's no longer about keeping his money, I think. It's about holding on to his money as long as he can. Sociopaths are quite cold-blooded about such things.

 

[TailWindHome]

Am I the only one thinks Emma has the 'crazy eyes'?

 

[thehog]

Am I the only one thinks Emma has the 'crazy eyes'?

Yes, I think you might be the only one.

 

[TailWindHome]

Yes, I think you might be the only one.

T'was ever thus.

 

[Race Radio]

The inverse of doing nothing was doing something that ended his career. Or, maybe just walk away. But, what org leader walks away from a growing operation?

Steve Whisnant, Livestrong's first Director, did this.

In 2001 he questioned Jeff Garvey, Livestrong's Chairman, about lance's doping. Jeff said that lance had doped. He then was shocked to hear many livestrong employees spewing various smears of LeMond. Steve stood up for Greg, told everyone what a great guy he was......the response was a look of shock from the employees and a threat from Garvey to choose between lance and Greg or he was gone.

6 weeks after moving his family to Austin he resigned. He did not want to be part of a fraud.

 

[BikeCentric]

It just seems absurd to me that Lance has to pay back the sponsorship money. That is all.

The US Government doesn't really care what you or anyone thinks. All they care about is that Lance has admittedly violated the terms of the contract he had with them by doping, and therefore they will legally take their money back in court. It really is that simple.

 

[thehog]

A couple years back Lance was telling folks he had $100 million, now it is time to play poor.

The last 6 years have been characterized by constant legal failure by Lance's legal team. Each maneuver results in the hole getting dug deeper. Opportunities to settle for comparatively small amounts are passed up for strategies that have been shown by experts, both real and internet, to make little legal sense and result in the situation getting worse.

While Herman is pretty clueless the rest are high dollar guys, best in their field. Why would they want to be associated with such a high profile failure? Have to wonder if lance negotiated some kind of alternative payment structure like a flat fee or a discounted hourly rate because at this point it appears he has received little value for his legal dollar

This is not correct.

He has settled 2 cases and made settlement offers to SCA & the Government. They both declined.

Lawyers represent all types of people. They don't just pick winners, they represent and advise on the law - win, lose or draw.

I think your right that from May 2010 he fought way too hard but that was against Novinsky and the possibility of criminal charges. So it made sense to fight hard back then. Plus he was still riding the Tour. And yes he should have taken USADAs offer of 5 Tours. But his hands were tied of going on record so he had to give up.

 

[Race Radio]

This is not correct.

You are welcome to pretend that Lance and his paid liars have made correct moves in the last 5 years but we both know it has been failure after failure.....with many more to come. Eventually the high priced guys will look for the exit, unless their target market is rich, irrational, crooks who like to lose in spectacular fashion.

 

[noddy69]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...e-france-victories-should-stand-30438785.html

Not surprising.

 

[thehog]

You are welcome to pretend that Lance and his paid liars have made correct moves in the last 5 years but we both know it has been failure after failure.....with many more to come. Eventually the high priced guys will look for the exit, unless their target market is rich, irrational, crooks who like to lose in spectacular fashion.

So what would be a correct move(s) in his case?

He doesn't really have a whole lot of options.

I think at times you tend to overdramatise the situation to make it sound like he is just bumbling around. When reality suggests he's defending the claims against him like anyone would. With representation and prolonging the payments. That's a fairly routine and regular strategy for a person or company in his situation.

His financial exposure is great hence while he's delay for as long as legally possible.

No one just folds their cards and pays. That would be foolish.

 

[RownhamHill]

http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...e-france-victories-should-stand-30438785.html

Not surprising.

No offence, but any chance you could contextualise that link with a short exposition of what the story might be? I'm sure ten words wouldn't take you long to type.

Sorry, this is more a general moan but this kind of crap shoot on links drives me up the wall. Why not tell me what isn't surprising?

 

[noddy69]

No offence, but any chance you could contextualise that link with a short exposition of what the story might be? I'm sure ten words wouldn't take you long to type.

Sorry, this is more a general moan but this kind of crap shoot on links drives me up the wall. Why not tell me what isn't surprising?

Why not just read the link. I took the time to look it up and put it there so it's easy for you to read. All you have to do is click the button.

But Just for you cause you're too lazy to click the link.
Stephen Roche being one of the apologists for Armstrong and If you read his comment it's about as close as you come to admitting he doped by backing Arstrong to go back in the record books......

 

[RownhamHill]

So what would be a correct move(s) in his case?

He doesn't really have a whole lot of options.

I think at times you tend to overdramatise the situation to make it sound like he is just bumbling around. When reality suggests he's defending the claims against him like anyone would. With representation and prolonging the payments. That's a fairly routine and regular strategy for a person or company in his situation.

His financial exposure is great hence while he's delay for as long as legally possible.

No one just folds their cards and pays. That would be foolish.

I must say I'd love to pay poker with you thehog. A busted flush on the flop, with king high is a great hand, so don't just fold your cards and pay. That would be foolish. Go all in.

 

[RownhamHill]

Why not just read the link. I took the time to look it up and put it there so it's easy for you to read. All you have to do is click the button.

But Just for you cause you're too lazy to click the link.
Stephen Roche being one of the apologists for Armstrong and If you read his comment it's about as close as you come to admitting he doped by backing Arstrong to go back in the record books......

Thanks. And since this is the same story that's been discussed here at length for the past two days, you're quite right it would have come as no great surprise to anyone who's been paying attention.

 

[Race Radio]

No one just folds their cards and pays. That would be foolish.

Lance has already folded and payed Acceptance and the Sunday times.

Reading the various legal filings, along with experts in Brent's article, it is clear that his legal strategy so far has only served to increase his legal and financial exposure. His appeals, challenges, and delays get slammed down again and again. He has been paying millions for expert legal advice which has only led to making his situation worse, not better.

Instead of making absurd "settlement offers" that were a tiny fraction of the possible exposure, designed to delay the process, he should have got real and worked out a deal. Now he is on the hook for numbers that are multiples of of what he could have got a year ago and his lawyers are millions of dollars richer.

 

[thehog]

Lance has already folded and payed Acceptance and the Sunday times.

Reading the various legal filings, along with experts in Brent's article, it is clear that his legal strategy so far has only served to increase his legal and financial exposure. His appeals, challenges, and delays get slammed down again and again. He has been paying millions for expert legal advice which has only led to making his situation worse, not better.

Instead of making absurd "settlement offers" that were a tiny fraction of the possible exposure, designed to delay the process, he should have got real and worked out a deal. Now he is on the hook for numbers that are multiples of of what he could have got a year ago and his lawyers are millions of dollars richer.

Hmmm, not convinced.

It makes good sense to defend SCA & the Government. They are his biggest exposures. Meaning if you're going to blow $10m on legal fees make sure you blow it on your biggest exposure of $100m & $12-15m.

Times and Assurance which I mentioned in my first post were about a million each. Those are out of the way and I think it was very good strategy to get Murdoch/Walsh off his plate. They could have caused a lot of damage to his already destroyed image. But not fighting Murdoch was the right move.

You see it's not all stupid what he's doing. There is some planning to his demise.

 

[juanito]

Now he is on the hook for numbers that are multiples of of what he could have got a year ago and his lawyers are millions of dollars richer.

isn't that what we all want to see?

 

[Race Radio]

You see it's not all stupid what he's doing.

Hmmm, not convinced.

So far it has been a boatload of stupid. Not just me saying this but all of the experts in Brent's piece agree.....but what do they know? They are real lawyers who do this stuff all the time, surely Google Lawyers know more

 

[Race Radio]

isn't that what we all want to see?

Some here think it is smart to double down on a bad hand but I have no desire to see the guy go down in flames. Would rather he work out an exit from the mess that all can live with and move on with his life. It appears that point has long past and he is going to continue on the path that, so far, has been mostly failure.

 

[Wallace]

Just up on NYTimes:

AUSTIN, Texas — Lance Armstrong talked for several hours with cycling investigators about doping in the sport's past, said an attorney for the champion who was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles over his use of performance-enhancing drugs.

Armstrong attorney Elliot Peters told The Associated Press that Armstrong set up the meeting and sat for questions for seven hours on May 22, and described the session as a hotel outside Dulles Airport in Washington, D.C., as a "very good meeting."

"They asked him about everything ... If you made a list of all the questions people would want to ask about Lance and his activities in cycling and everything else, those were the questions that were asked and answered," Peters said.

The probe has been expected to center on the International Cycling Union's handling of doping in the late 1990s and early 2000s, especially its links with Armstrong. Armstrong's willingness to meet with investigators has been seen as crucial to their efforts to determine whether former officials with the sport's governing body aided his doping as the Texan became cycling's biggest star.

 

[Race Radio]

Just up on NYTimes:

AUSTIN, Texas — Lance Armstrong talked for several hours with cycling investigators about doping in the sport's past, said an attorney for the champion who was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles over his use of performance-enhancing drugs.

Armstrong attorney Elliot Peters told The Associated Press that Armstrong set up the meeting and sat for questions for seven hours on May 22, and described the session as a hotel outside Dulles Airport in Washington, D.C., as a "very good meeting."

"They asked him about everything ... If you made a list of all the questions people would want to ask about Lance and his activities in cycling and everything else, those were the questions that were asked and answered," Peters said.

The probe has been expected to center on the International Cycling Union's handling of doping in the late 1990s and early 2000s, especially its links with Armstrong. Armstrong's willingness to meet with investigators has been seen as crucial to their efforts to determine whether former officials with the sport's governing body aided his doping as the Texan became cycling's biggest star.

McQuaid is also going in. Their target is the same, Travis Tygart and **** Pound

 

[RownhamHill]

McQuaid is also going in. Their target is the same, Travis Tygart and **** Pound

How are they going to try to pull that off?

 

[thehog]

Hmmm, not convinced.

So far it has been a boatload of stupid. Not just me saying this but all of the experts in Brent's piece agree.....but what do they know? They are real lawyers who do this stuff all the time, surely Google Lawyers know more

I'm not sure you read the article correctly. They weren't so much commenting on his strategy but difficulties of his plight and case. He has little to defend with. And when your in that position you give away as little as possible so you have some form of hand to play when it counts.

The rhetoric you provide is thick with cliches and still to this point SCA haven't been paid. Armstrong is still way up on that one. Just depends how long SCA hold out for. Thus I don't think the strategy is at as poor as you suggest.

The government will go forever and a day. Thats a tough one. Don't like his chances on that front.

 

[Oldman]

Just up on NYTimes:

AUSTIN, Texas — Lance Armstrong talked for several hours with cycling investigators about doping in the sport's past, said an attorney for the champion who was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles over his use of performance-enhancing drugs.

Armstrong attorney Elliot Peters told The Associated Press that Armstrong set up the meeting and sat for questions for seven hours on May 22, and described the session as a hotel outside Dulles Airport in Washington, D.C., as a "very good meeting."

"They asked him about everything ... If you made a list of all the questions people would want to ask about Lance and his activities in cycling and everything else, those were the questions that were asked and answered," Peters said.

The probe has been expected to center on the International Cycling Union's handling of doping in the late 1990s and early 2000s, especially its links with Armstrong. Armstrong's willingness to meet with investigators has been seen as crucial to their efforts to determine whether former officials with the sport's governing body aided his doping as the Texan became cycling's biggest star.

This has all the requisite components to slant Armstrong's "role" as an exploitation by greedy officials, which they were. Reality is: Armstrong and Weisel knew the available tools for their success, and they came relatively cheap compared to the payout. Unfortunately they forgot to pay Floyd. Oh, oh...