Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[M Sport]

That's effectively a refusal to settle.

No, it's an opening offer.

Feds open with 20 million offer (20% of the lawsuit value)
Lance counter offers 5 million (25% of feds offer)

Not that far apart. It will settle.

 

[M Sport]

Sounds like a 6 month ban is just around the corner for Armstrong

I would bet on the ban getting reduced to 5-8 years range.

 

[Race Radio]

No, it's an opening offer.

Feds open with 20 million offer (20% of the lawsuit value)
Lance counter offers 5 million (25% of feds offer)

Not that far apart. It will settle.

I think the government's position is more in the $50-60 million range. Lance does not have it.

 

[thehog]

No, it's an opening offer..

Correct, somehow it's contrude as "refusing to settle".

Odd.

It was the first step in many a long and winding road to settlement somewhere down the line.

 

[MarkvW]

Correct, somehow it's contrude as "refusing to settle".

Odd.

It was the first step in many a long and winding road to settlement somewhere down the line.

If Lance can afford to settle at a price that the feds would accept, then Lance's behavior is irrational. If Lance can't afford to settle at a price that the feds would accept, then his behavior is quite rational. The discovery process, as it proceeds, ought to give the feds a good picture of Lance's financial position. If and when the knowledge of Lance's finances is equalized, then a settlement window may open.

The idea that one of Lance's co-conspirators will "flip" is highly speculative. This case is much much less about getting Lance, than it is about getting money. Stapleton, for example, is likely a very rich source of money. The feds are not going to forgo his pile of gold just to get Lance. Same with the others.

It doesn't matter whether or not Johan comes to the USA. His lawyers can fight for him, or he can default. If the feds take a judgment against him, there are tools available to collect that judgment abroad.

 

[thehog]

Frankie telling us cycling is now clean since reasoned decision and we no longer have race radios.

Frankie Andreu: Did USADA's Reasoned Decision help cycling?

Racing has changed (and it’s not because of the elimination of race radios) with riders judging their efforts and waiting longer to make their winning moves. They don’t attack at the bottom of a climb and never look back because they know they rode everyone off their wheel. Teamwork is still essential but you don’t have an entire team riding on the front over a cat 1 mountain when there are only 30 guys left in the group. Climbers climb and the sprinters sprint, not the other way around.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/frankie-andreu-did-usadas-reasoned-decision-help-cycling

 

[JRTinMA]

Frankie telling us cycling is now clean since reasoned decision and we no longer have race radios.



http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/frankie-andreu-did-usadas-reasoned-decision-help-cycling

Another piece of **** doper with an opinion. A stupid one as well.

 

[Benotti69]

Another piece of **** doper with an opinion. A stupid one as well.

Considering Frankie stopped before Saint Vaughters and Saint Millar, what must you think of them...........

 

[blackcat]

Another piece of sh!t doper with an opinion. A stupid one as well.

Frankie is a good goy (sic)*

In buttressing, FA has brilliant hair, and should be a male model for Saks donning Brioni

*channeling a typo come meme on Greg (Lemond)

 

[JRTinMA]

Considering Frankie stopped before Saint Vaughters and Saint Millar, what must you think of them...........

They suck. I once believed JV was good for the sport, I don't anymore.

 

[elizab]

Frankie telling us cycling is now clean since reasoned decision and we no longer have race radios.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/frankie-andreu-did-usadas-reasoned-decision-help-cycling

Come on Hog, you can do better than that i.e. not getting called on the outright lie you type:

"Has the sport of cycling cleaned up its act?

After so many years of being deceived and lied to it would be naïve to think that everyone is racing clean."

stupid opinion to redact the names? I suppose if you had something to fear. With lawsuits going on, it'll be awhile before we find out if Chris Horner is number whatever-it-is from the Reasoned Decision.

I say burn Travis to the stake. That pr1ck can't be bought off and is doing his job ethically.

 

[blackcat]

Come on Hog, you can do better than that i.e. not getting called on the outright lie you type:

"Has the sport of cycling cleaned up its act?

After so many years of being deceived and lied to it would be naïve to think that everyone is racing clean."

stupid opinion to redact the names? I suppose if you had something to fear. With lawsuits going on, it'll be awhile before we find out if Chris Horner is number whatever-it-is from the Reasoned Decision.

I say burn Travis to the stake. That pr1ck can't be bought off and is doing his job ethically.

hog just has a case of pen!senvy cos Frankie's hair, and hog crashes going over cobbles like Hincapie's brain stem strikethru, handlebar stem when favorite at Roubaix

 

[elizab]

Look at this nugget too:
"In my opinion, I’m sure that some riders have escaped sanctions.''

Dirty Works and Race Radio, I'm about to fire you two idiots.

 

[elizab]

You know, Frankie's smarter than his hair makes him look:

"...this is a teachable moment for all of sport and life as well. We don't want to dwell on the past but we must not forget it because of the lesson it teaches. The USADA report made a big difference - a better difference not just for cycling but for all of sport."

 

[thehog]

Come on Hog, you can do better than that i.e. not getting called on the outright lie you type:

"Has the sport of cycling cleaned up its act?

After so many years of being deceived and lied to it would be naïve to think that everyone is racing clean."

Such articles are important as they provoke debate. I don't see them as a means to deliver a message without comment.

The race radio comment is incorrect. Race radios are still part of the sport bar world and national championships.

Racing has changed (and it’s not because of the elimination of race radios)

The over simplification on why the sport is 'cleaner' because there's not "entire teams" on a Cat 1 is somewhat factually incorrect - Sky 2012 took this to the limit. Riders not attacking at the base is also incorrect, Armstrong never attacked at the base of climbs. Pantani sometmes did with limited sucess (sans record on d'huez), but generally when not in GC winning contention. Alas that is more to do with tactics than a direct result of doping; Contador 2012 Vuelta, he attacked far from the base of the climb and won (on his knees), 2011 d'Huez he died.

The McQuaid comment I tend to agree with but we must remember McQuaid wasn't President for the core of the Armstrong years, only comeback 2.0.

Pat was in Ireland circa 1999 so would have no involvement in the "arrangements" of the time. He inherited a lot of legacy dealings from Hein. That's not to say McQuaid was pure, it's just the reasoning stated is not factually accurate.

Apart from that it's a nice article.

 

[Bosco10]

You know, Frankie's smarter than his hair makes him look

So many of us have receding hairlines. Frankie has an advancing hairline.

 

[blackcat]

So many of us have receding hairlines. Frankie has an advancing hairline.

no, he waxes his unibrow

 

[Pazuzu]

What exactly does Armstrong want to compete in at his age? Does he want to pick up where he left off, and do Ironman Triathlons? What do you all think?

That would be my guess. But If he were to compete he'd run into the Ryan Braun syndrome. Do well and folks will assume you're still taking PEDs. Do poorly and people will claim it's because you're not taking PEDs, further reminding folks that your past sucess was through PEDs. Of course he could always blame poor performance on a sore thumb or somesuch.

 

[Benotti69]

no, he waxes his unibrow

I dont

 

[Scott SoCal]

Look at this nugget too:
"In my opinion, I’m sure that some riders have escaped sanctions.''

Dirty Works and Race Radio, I'm about to fire you two idiots.

I think the article is little more than an effort to show Frankie's employability at Andreu Strategies. A respectable attempt but I'm hearing that positions at the firm are very hard to come by.

The best and brightest only need apply. Great hair is only part of the equation.

 

[Microchip]

You know, Frankie's smarter than his hair makes him look:

..."

lol
cute expression

 

[gooner]

Come on Hog, you can do better than that i.e. not getting called on the outright lie you type:

"Has the sport of cycling cleaned up its act?

After so many years of being deceived and lied to it would be naïve to think that everyone is racing clean."

stupid opinion to redact the names? I suppose if you had something to fear. With lawsuits going on, it'll be awhile before we find out if Chris Horner is number whatever-it-is from the Reasoned Decision.

I say burn Travis to the stake. That pr1ck can't be bought off and is doing his job ethically.

Some around here like to add arms and legs on to comments.

 

[thehog]

Some around here like to add arms and legs on to comments.

I tend to agree.

Further to the comment re: race radios; is that during the doping era there were no race radios. The statment doesn't hold water.

I do agree that Frankie makes with regards that the past can teach us for the future and the RD serves a useful document for that.

As time passes, many of the people mentioned in the Reasoned Decision might retire from racing but still be involved in the sport. They might also be completely out of the sport. It doesn’t matter. We can't have closure until all the lawsuits are adjudicated. Even then, this is a teachable moment for all of sport and life as well. We don't want to dwell on the past but we must not forget it because of the lesson it teaches. The USADA report made a big difference - a better difference not just for cycling but for all of sport.

To counter balance you have those who figured in those reports working in cycling, specially those from Garmin. Whilst it's a free world and people can choose what they do, the balance is far from equal.

CVV for example works for NBC at the Tour, however you get the impression within his affidavit that it stopped short of doping with other teams. The 2006 line in the sand is troubling and hasn't really been explained.

Nevertheless, I agree with the point with regards to the past. It's a salient reminder of what to look for this time around. And by that we shouldn't just look for USPS replicas in doping, doping advances along with its concealment thereof.

Ferrari's recent comments are indicative of this.

 

[Digger]

They don’t attack at the bottom of a climb and never look back because they know they rode everyone off their wheel. Teamwork is still essential but you don’t have an entire team riding on the front over a cat 1 mountain when there are only 30 guys left in the group. Climbers climb and the sprinters sprint, not the other way around.

Almost all of that is wrong - Sky, Nibali, Froome, Tony Martin have shown this statement to be incorrect.

With the sport changing for the better, the young athletes as well as the older athletes will be able to compete fairly. No longer will athletes have to line up knowing they are starting a mile behind the others despite standing on the start line together. We have seen younger cyclists competing at the top level and I believe a lot of their success is due to the sport being cleaner.

Two guys from one team just after being popped for EPO - whilst their own leader is certainly also doping.

We then have Nibali, froome, AC and others all going every bit as fast as Lance and other known dopers...yet Frankie is saying the young riders don't have to face the reality others, previously, faced.

So young riders competing is indicative of what? Andy Schleck doped at 21.

One of the big things people used against lance at the start was his speeds - they were right - yet when others go as fast as lance - silence.


Leaks from pro's all saying the same thing - nothing has changed - it has simply morphed into even more secrecy and better doping techniques.

One thing I do agree with Frankie on is the redacted names...awesome work from travis on that one.

So to answer the headline...not a single thing has changed - Ashenden, Joerg, Floyd have all said this.
I mean how could it have changed?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I mean how could it have changed?

The speeds are down, and, when they are up there is always the tail of the tailwind.

Armstrong is so boring.