Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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So your expectation is that she stood alone against Armstrong? You would have done the same?

Thought Betsy/Walsh/LeMond and Swart were all "standing alone" against him? Oh and don't forget Tyler Hamilton and Floyd.....

She wished no harm on anybody, she inarticulacy tried to explain that no one could understand the pain that she was in. Which is understandable. Even when Floyd dropped the bombshell it took a good 8-12 months for the tide to turn.


LOL!!! You didn't watch it did you? she most certainly DID wish harm on someone, and that someone was Betsy(it's on tape on the documentary)
You expected a moher with autistic son to do that?


Yep. if she were truly "disgusted by Lance's actions" like she claimed she did to LeMond, then yeah.
Sometimes you guys go a little bit too far.

Not at all, she gets no free pass here because she has an autistic son, is a woman, etc. She should've thought about that before she did what she did. I have no empathy or sympathy for her or anyone else who backed that POG. Nike/Trek/Jokely/Michelob/Comical/Och/etc/etc......all are POG.
 

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mewmewmew13 said:
You are using her having an autistic son as an excuse for her threatening physical assault on someone.
That does not wash...any more than Armstrong having cancer should be an excuse for him to cheat and bully and intimidate.

Not an excuse but a reason. She was being bullied by Armstrong just like Dave Z and the boys were bullied.

She's a women and not a man like the rest. Or do they get a pass and not her? They all backed Armstrong as well.

In the fullness of time we should at least stop and look at the casualties. She's one of them.
 
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You are using her having an autistic son as an excuse for her threatening physical assault on someone.
That does not wash...any more than Armstrong having cancer should be an excuse for him to cheat and bully and intimidate.

Exactly! We have a winner. The "feel bad for her/Wonderboy" fan club never ceases to amaze folks with their blatant love and continued excuses for him.
 
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Not an excuse but a reason. She was being bullied by Armstrong just like Dave Z and the boys were bullied.

Hmm, so were: Betsy/Walsh/LeMond/Hamilton/Floyd/etc. yet ALL of them didn't seem to have issues telling the truth and being honest about Wonderboy.

She's a woman and not a man like the rest. Or do they get a pass and not her? They all backed Armstrong as well.

Man, woman, whoever.......they're all just as sad, pathetic, and clueless if they backed him, and continued doing so even now and knowing what they knew. Emma/Georgie Porgey/Floyd/Zabriskie/JV/Levi....ALL OF THEM...just as sad and pathetic.

In the fullness of time we should at least stop and look at the casualties. She's one of them.

She chose that path though didn't she, AGAIN, i DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR HER......maybe you can comprehend that.
 
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Exactly!! But yet, there are STILL folks who "feel empathy for her".:rolleyes:

Yet, she showed no "empathy" herself for anyone that got in Wonderboys way.

Exactly X1,000,000

Hypocrite she is as well? definitely.

Is she still working for Jokely?

She has not worked for Oakley for many years. she does not need to. Some have incorrectly painted her as a single mother but the reality is she has been married to a Vice President for over 15 years.

At the time of the call Oakley was not providing care for her son's autism. At the time of the call few companies covered Autism care. In fact it was only a couple years prior to the call that Microsoft became the 1st major company to do so. California only made it mandatory in 2012, many states still do not. How do I know this? Two of my best friends have Autistic sons. I have seen first hand the challenges they go through on a daily basis.

I also have a child with a chronic illness that has caused her to miss 2 years of school and resulted many thousands of $$ in doctors bills, flights to specialists, and family stress. Personally I find using your child's illness as justification to wish someone bodily harm unconscionable.
 
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This is what is being disagreed with:

"Anyone who thinks Stephanie McIllvane isn't a sad, pathetic, disgusting PIECE OF SHIT is mentally bankrupt."

["POS" expanded].

Digger would love this hypocrisy.
 
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Race Radio said:
At the time of the call Oakley was not providing care for her son's autism. At the time of the call few companies covered Autism care.

So we can take the "empathy" and Woe is me/pity" out of the equation for her too? This proves she's just a liar, and a fraud.

Looks like another Wonderboy apologist's "theory" has been shot down yet again.
 
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MarkvW said:
This is what is being disagreed with:

"Anyone who thinks Stephanie McIllvane isn't a sad, pathetic, disgusting PIECE OF is mentally bankrupt."

["POS" expanded].

Digger would love this hypocrisy.

Right!! She is......especially after she wished harm/tragedy on someone else. Besides the blatant lying of course.

Why is it hypocrisy? I haven't been a fan of Stephanie since this whole thing happened, and she was exposed as being a huge part of it.
 
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Right!! She is......especially after she wished harm/tragedy on someone else. Besides the blatant lying of course.

Well Floyd Landis meets that test--he didn't just wish harm on LeMond, he tried to inflict it to. I guess the same applies to Floyd?

Come on! The hypocrisy is blatant.
 
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MarkvW said:
Well Floyd Landis meets that test--he didn't just wish harm on LeMond, he tried to inflict it to. I guess the same applies to Floyd?

Come on! The hypocrisy is blatant.

Uh oh.....Digger is not going to be happy with this.
 
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MarkvW said:
Well Floyd Landis meets that test--he didn't just wish harm on LeMond, he tried to inflict it to. I guess the same applies to Floyd?

Come on! The hypocrisy is blatant.


No hypocrisy here, Goes the same for Floyd too....nice try.:rolleyes:

The guys from Trek too......
 
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Not an excuse but a reason. She was being bullied by Armstrong just like Dave Z and the boys were bullied.

She's a women and not a man like the rest. Or do they get a pass and not her? They all backed Armstrong as well.

In the fullness of time we should at least stop and look at the casualties. She's one of them.

I'm not talking men or women here..threat of physical harm is not confined to either sex. Did the others threaten someone w actual physical harm? you're evading the original premise..
"going along with Armstrong" is different from threatening physical assault

You are sidestepping her culpability here by throwing other names around..and making it seem like "everyone did it" thus it's ok.


as per Floyd no one is condoning that action against Lemond...No hypocrisy..nice try.. I remembered that threat as coming from one of Floyd's buds?
 
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I'd just like to add that those here supporting McIlvane's 'pass' for threatening assault is that you are merely taking that side for the sake of argument.
Start another thread for that debate if you wish..
 
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thehog said:
Not an excuse but a reason. She was being bullied by Armstrong just like Dave Z and the boys were bullied.

She's a women and not a man like the rest. Or do they get a pass and not her? They all backed Armstrong as well.

In the fullness of time we should at least stop and look at the casualties. She's one of them.

:rolleyes:
 

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mewmewmew13 said:
I'd just like to add that those here supporting McIlvane's 'pass' for threatening assault is that you are merely taking that side for the sake of argument.
Start another thread for that debate if you wish..

No one is supporting it. Just dissecting it and trying to understand why it happened. And a good part of the reason why it happened was because she was being bullied by Armstrong.
 
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Good analysis. The high triglycerides/cholesterol might also tie in the with the higher HCT.

Why? Do you have a link showing a connection between the two? Or are you just suggesting that both might result from steroid use? But as RR notes, steroids alone would be unlikely to increase HT that much.

And btw, his cholesterol was not high (for a normal person, perhaps for an athlete, I don't know), nor was his iron, for that matter. To be fair, his cholesterol level on one test would be considered high today, but not at that time.

python said:
it turns out that the supposedly brimming with health, this not even 20 youngster, in addition to the old man like lipids loaded blood, had a border line impaired immune system....

specifically, the package contains the records of armstrong's two 1991 WBC counts and the differential. they are separated by 6 months but show a remarkably consistent picture of the border-line/abnormal immune system (abnormally low neutrophils and abnormally high lymphocytes).

This is an interesting idea, but there are some problems. First, I don’t think a few borderline immune parameters, by themselves, are very significant. I myself have had a few immune parameters out of the range, and it didn’t mean anything.

The ranges they provide are meant to include perhaps 95% of the population. This means that when you are measuring a lot of different parameters, the odds are quite good that any particular individual will have one or more outside the range, just by chance (e.g., his globulins in Dec. but not June). As you noted, his neutrophil/lymphocyte values are barely out of the range in the first test, and are within the range in the second test. In fact, there is not a single parameter measured that was out of the common range in both tests. His triglycerides, e.g., were normal in the June test. This suggests to me that the high level in December, while it might have resulted from steroid use, also could have been caused by binge drinking at the time.

A second difficulty in interpreting these data is that the levels are given in relative terms, i.e., % of total cells of that class, rather than absolute terms. Most white blood cells are either neutrophils or lymphocytes, so a greater than average % of one will usually be associated with a lesser than average % of the other. But without knowing the absolute numbers of each, one can’t say whether either level is actually significantly abnormal. E.g., LA might happen to have a naturally, unusually high level of lymphocytes, which could result in normal levels of neutrophils being measured as low in terms of %.

Finally, and most important, steroid use is usually associated with high, not low, neutrophils, and with low or normal, not high, banded (immature) neutrophils, and conversely, with low, not high, lymphocytes. This is just the opposite of what we see with LA. Also, as I noted earlier, his globulin levels were actually high on one test, another observation not consistent with steroid use.
 
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mewmewmew13 said:
You are using her having an autistic son as an excuse for her threatening physical assault on someone.
That does not wash...any more than Armstrong having cancer should be an excuse for him to cheat and bully and intimidate.

I think its a slippery slope to use one's childern / family to try and justify one's actions. Lots of people out there have difficult circumstances - sick kids, sick parents, sick wives or husbands, orphaned, have their own health issues, etc...

If you gave everyone who had difficult circumstances a free pass, there'd be a lot of people who qualified to break the rules. But they'd just be getting ahead by screwing over someone else who has their own troubles.

Keep in mind that I know what I'm talking about, having had a tough upbringing myself. What happened to me s@cks, but it doesn't give me the right to screw over anybody else.

My 2 cents.
 
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Uh oh.....Digger is not going to be happy with this.

Well obviously I'm going to take someone like you seriously - someone who says one thing in private and changes tack depending on the audience. Greg.....

But aside from that, you go running when you are called on your drivel and then start it up again with the above....pathetic.
 
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If you gave everyone who had difficult circumstances a free pass.

I sense a theme. Wonderboy's believers do this in a variety of ways.

I don't immediately count the Oakley rep as a victim. She could have chosen from a number of more professional/personal integrity tactics with the pressure from Wonderboy.

To be clear, I'm not including her personal situation. Her actions were done in the context of her job.
 
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I sense a theme. Wonderboy's believers do this in a variety of ways.

I don't immediately count the Oakley rep as a victim. She could have chosen from a number of more professional/personal integrity tactics with the pressure from Wonderboy.

To be clear, I'm not including her personal situation. Her actions were done in the context of her job.

She's definitely not a victim. She's definitely not a POS, either. The vulgar hater rhetoric is what got this started. I don't think anybody would gainsay that McIlvain's behavior (eight or nine years ago) was terrible, but the ridiculous over-the-top vulgarity of the attack against her today is absurd.
 

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MarkvW said:
She's definitely not a victim. She's definitely not a POS, either. The vulgar hater rhetoric is what got this started. I don't think anybody would gainsay that McIlvain's behavior (eight or nine years ago) was terrible, but the ridiculous over-the-top vulgarity of the attack against her today is absurd.

Of course whilst some despise the behavior of Armstrong apparently it's ok to characterise someone as:

Anyone who thinks Stephanie McIllvane isn't a sad, pathetic, disgusting POS is mentally bankrupt. She's a fraud, and a liar, and a scam.

And anyone who would like to dig a little deeper into the story is:

mentally bankrupt

These days apparently its ok to behave like Armstrong when criticising him.

She did exactly what CVV did. He supported Armstrong. Still does. Is he sad, pathetic and disgusting?
 
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I think its a slippery slope to use one's childern / family to try and justify one's actions. Lots of people out there have difficult circumstances - sick kids, sick parents, sick wives or husbands, orphaned, have their own health issues, etc...

If you gave everyone who had difficult circumstances a free pass, there'd be a lot of people who qualified to break the rules. But they'd just be getting ahead by screwing over someone else who has their own troubles.

Keep in mind that I know what I'm talking about, having had a tough upbringing myself. What happened to me s@cks, but it doesn't give me the right to screw over anybody else.

My 2 cents.

Solid post!

I also seem to remember Disgraced Cyclist Lance Armstrong using his children as a way to deflect doping accusations. People who are lying will many times use whatever they can to cover the lie. I don't think that means that Stephanie or Disgraced Cyclist Lance Armstrong don't love their kids. What it does show however is the depravity of the person speaking. You can shorten that to whatever colloquialism you'd like, but anyone defending her actions needs to look at the amount of capital they have in their morality account. I also don't remember Stephanie recanting the outright lie she told in court. Ever. So this isn't a "she did something to someone 10 years ago and you meanie haters are not letting her up off the turf." It's a matter of assessing what is presently still the situation.
 
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And anyone who would like to dig a little deeper into the story is:

Going to find out that she isn't a very nice person, and the POT label definitely fits her.


These days apparently its ok to behave like Armstrong when criticising him.

it is, where?

She did exactly what CVV did. He supported Armstrong. Still does. Is he sad, pathetic and disgusting?

Yes, along with: George, Thor and others.